Opinion Is Jimmy Dore right wing now?

[AZ103]

Yes. Attempts, whether successful or failed, will usually drain the willpower of your side and bolster that of the opposition. If successful, the hope is that the backlash won't be strong enough to undo what you've gained or worse. A failed attempt is all downside, obviously.

So just to be clear... you think that during thw covid pandemic, a vote for universal healthcare in which most republicans would vote no, you think that would hurt democrats? At a time where people were being acossted publicly for not wearing masks outside and people were being arrested for surfing because thats how important "health" is. Thats your position? That championing free healthcare in America at a time where health was the main topic of discussion and had huge bipartisan support (even most republicans followed guidelines) would have been detrimental to the party that had already promised to hold that vote?

So you think they should have admitted they lied and told us they never intended to hold that vote? Or just lied without admitting it and waited for it to blow over? Either way it appears you wanted them to not keep a promise because it would them... what a weak position.

 

[brothir]

So just to be clear... you think that during thw covid pandemic, a vote for universal healthcare in which most republicans would vote no, you think that would hurt democrats? At a time where people were being acossted publicly for not wearing masks outside and people were being arrested for surfing because thats how important "health" is. Thats your position? That championing free healthcare in America at a time where health was the main topic of discussion and had huge bipartisan support (even most republicans followed guidelines) would have been detrimental to the party that had already promised to hold that vote?

So you think they should have admitted they lied and told us they never intended to hold that vote? Or just lied without admitting it and waited for it to blow over? Either way it appears you wanted them to not keep a promise because it would them... what a weak position.

I have no idea what you're talking about with Democrats promising to vote for a single-payer plan. If they'd attempted to do so recklessly, it would've failed without question. Democrats actually managed to pass very important policies to recover from COVID economically, with all the benefits for the general population that entails. Being angry about that is standard-issue Republican opinion.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Pro choice, pro union, pro free speech, pro 2A. These were all liberal principles at one point.

Now it’s abortion is fine no matter what, free speech should have limits (hate speech/misinformation), gun confiscation and buy backs. All of that sounds very Commie to me and I just can’t support it. I do think a lot of it is well meaning but it sends us down a dangerous path where we just become like everyone else instead of us being exceptional and unique.

The guy whose SCOTUS picks ended Roe v Wade is pro-choice? Who do you think you're fooling withy that line?

As for freedom of speech, Trump has advocated for banning flag burning and loosening libel laws to go after journalists which sounds like the opposite if you ask me.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

The guy whose SCOTUS picks ended Roe v Wade is pro-choice? Who do you think you're fooling withy that line?

As for freedom of speech, Trump has advocated for banning flag burning and loosening libel laws to go after journalists which sounds like the opposite if you ask me.

Totally fair points. Again, I’m not a Trump guy an won’t be voting for him. He’s contradicting.

The flag burning and going after journalists is horrible and is anti-freedom of speech. That’s my problem with the freedom of speech argument is that very little people are truly for freedom of speech (I’d like to think I am). There’s always one subject that triggers them and they show their true colors.

My problem and why I’m not voting is Kamala is seemingly worse on these issues. I just don’t like either of them and think they are both going to be bad for the country for different reasons.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Totally fair points. Again, I’m not a Trump guy an won’t be voting for him. He’s contradicting.

The flag burning and going after journalists is horrible and is anti-freedom of speech. That’s my problem with the freedom of speech argument is that very little people are truly for freedom of speech (I’d like to think I am). There’s always one subject that triggers them and they show their true colors.

My problem and why I’m not voting is Kamala is seemingly worse on these issues. I just don’t like either of them and think they are both going to be bad for the country for different reasons.

I don't think there's any good reason to think Kamala is worse on any of those issues except for gun rights where she does advocate for some questionable policies. When you combine that with Trump's attempted coup I think its clear which candidate is the worse one and I say this as someone who was never much of a fan of Kamala.

 

[HOLA]

The guy whose SCOTUS picks ended Roe v Wade is pro-choice? Who do you think you're fooling withy that line?

As for freedom of speech, Trump has advocated for banning flag burning and loosening libel laws to go after journalists which sounds like the opposite if you ask me.

He also just said it should be illegal to criticize judges who are pro-Trump:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-proposes-ban-on-criticizing-pro-trump-judges.html

 

[sanguinius]

I don't think there's any good reason to think Kamala is worse on any of those issues except for gun rights where she does advocate for some questionable policies. When you combine that with Trump's attempted coup I think its clear which candidate is the worse one and I say this as someone who was never much of a fan of Kamala.

If you are going to keep up the fanfiction, why don't you make it more interesting? Say that Trump fed people to gorillas or ate a lion or something.

 

[Islam Imamate]

He also just said it should be illegal to criticize judges who are pro-Trump:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-proposes-ban-on-criticizing-pro-trump-judges.html

In fairness I do think that Trump throws lots of things out there without necessarily intending to commit to making it a reality when he gets into office. But based off their public statements I think its clear that Trump has less tolerance for dissent and less respect for liberal values like free speech.

If you are going to keep up the fanfiction, why don't you make it more interesting? Say that Trump fed people to gorillas or ate a lion or something.

Do you deny that Trump tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power and to overturn a free and fair election on Jan 6th?

 

[sanguinius]

In fairness I do think that Trump throws lots of things out there without necessarily intending to commit to making it a reality when he gets into office. But based off their public statements I think its clear that Trump has less tolerance for dissent and less respect for liberal values like free speech.

Do you deny that Trump tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power and to overturn a free and fair election on Jan 6th?

Yes, of course. I think we should focus on his real faults, like his insistence on throwing political dissidents into wolf cages.

See how much more fun that is? If you are going to lie, lie big. Lie fun. You are only going to trick the people that already believe you, so just go nuts with it.

 

[Jack V Savage]

And who is doing that exactly? Do you really think its only one unkept promise pushing people out of democrat party? Or do you think maybe its the failure to act, straight up lying, and false purity tests where if you failed youre labeled?

See, anyone who says "democrat party" to refer to the Democratic Party is already showing that they basically only consume rightist media and aren't arguing in good faith on the issue. It's fine if you're a loyal Republican or whatever, but why the need to pretend otherwise? Just be straight up when arguing your views.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yes, of course. I think we should focus on his real faults, like his insistence on throwing political dissidents into wolf cages.

See how much more fun that is? If you are going to lie, lie big. Lie fun. You are only going to trick the people that already believe you, so just go nuts with it.

What did Trump mean when he said this?

And he looked at Mike Pence, and I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so.

Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do, all this is, this is from the number one, or certainly one of the top, Constitutional lawyers in our country. He has the absolute right to do it. We're supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our Constitution, and protect our constitution.

States want to revote. The states got defrauded. They were given false information. They voted on it. Now they want to recertify. They want it back. All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.

We're gathered together in the heart of our nation's capital for one very, very basic and simple reason: To save our democracy.

And Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn't, that will be a, a sad day for our country because you're sworn to uphold our Constitution.

Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated.

What does he want Mike Pence to do? What does he mean by "lawfully slated electors"?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Do you want me to post videos of jimmy dore condeming trump for things? I can do it. Youll likely ignore them like when you said leftists dont hate cops and then i posted a montage of democrats crying to defund police followed by a video of democrat voters destroying cities and spray painting ACAB everywhere. But i can post them. Would you like me to?

The idea that the left hates cops is silly. As is the idea that finding one or two crazies in a giant country proves anything about the character of a movement. I don't know why you'd think anyone would be fooled by such obviously sleazy tactics.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Pro choice, pro union, pro free speech, pro 2A. These were all liberal principles at one point.

TF? Trump was extremely anti-union, he appointed the judges that overturned Roe, and I don't think we've ever had a more anti-free speech president. The guy just recently said that criticizing SCOTUS decisions should be *illegal*! I don't remember you being such a dishonest POS. Pro- or anti-2A isn't the issue. Interpreting it is. Remember that the current GOP interpretation is very recent so it's not like something you can compare with the past.

 

[sanguinius]

What did Trump mean when he said this?

What does he want Mike Pence to do? What does he mean by "lawfully slated electors"?

I didn't see anything about throwing voters into wolf cages or any coup material. I think you were confused by the assignment.

 

[Jack V Savage]

The guy whose SCOTUS picks ended Roe v Wade is pro-choice? Who do you think you're fooling withy that line?

As for freedom of speech, Trump has advocated for banning flag burning and loosening libel laws to go after journalists which sounds like the opposite if you ask me.

And he said it should be and already is illegal to criticize judicial rulings! And Vance wanted to imprison a newspaper columnist for the column. That has to be the worst post of the year, and that's saying something.

 

[Jack V Savage]

In fairness I do think that Trump throws lots of things out there without necessarily intending to commit to making it a reality when he gets into office. But based off their public statements I think its clear that Trump has less tolerance for dissent and less respect for liberal values like free speech.

Do you deny that Trump tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power and to overturn a free and fair election on Jan 6th?

It's not necessarily that he's going to be able to implement that, but he's definitely showing how he thinks.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I didn't see anything about throwing voters into wolf cages or any coup material. I think you were confused by the assignment.

What do you think he wanted Mike Pence to do? What did he mean by "save our democracy"?

 

[sanguinius]

What do you think he wanted Mike Pence to do? What did he mean by "save our democracy"?

I think it is obvious that he wanted Pence to arrive in an Ironman suit and take out the opposition, then install himself as dictator for life.

See? Endlessly repeating your lies has to be getting old. Spice it up.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I think it is obvious that he wanted Pence to arrive in an Ironman suit and take out the opposition, then install himself as dictator for life.

See? Endlessly repeating your lies has to be getting old. Spice it up.

What am I lying about here? I quoted his speech directly. What do you think he wanted Mike Pence to do to "save our democracy"? And what are these electors he's talking about?

 

[sanguinius]

What am I lying about here? I quoted his speech directly. What do you think he wanted Mike Pence to do to "save our democracy"? And what are these electors he's talking about?

Oh, you were lying about it being a coup attempt. Here, I think I deciphered your language, so I'll try to speak it at you.

"January 6. Coup attempt. Coup attempt. Jan. 6. Unique threat to our Democracy. Unique january 6 coup attempt. Threat to our Democracy. Jan 6. Coup. Coup"

I was trying to say that the closest thing we had to a coup attempt was Trump being hounded about fake Russian collusion for years on end. Did I nail the punctuation?