is Islam's record now better than Khabib's?

[Beastslayer47]

It's as good, if not better

 

[ragreynolds]

Islam has the better resume if we're just talking names, but talking about dominance and total numbers, Khabib is either equal, or slightly ahead. It doesn't help Islam's case that he struggled vs Poirier and Volk, whereas Khabib didn't have any real struggles in his career outside of Tibau, especially not when he reached the championship level. Still, Volk, despite being a featherweight, is better than any single win on Khabib's record, and Islam beat him twice. Beating Oliveira for the belt was also a better win than any of Khabib's. Those two wins along mean Islam's resume is better. If Arman hadn't pulled out, and Islam had beaten him, I think it would be clear that Islam's record was better, despite not being quite as dominant as Khabib.

You can argue all you want about how much having 0 losses means, but there has to come a point where sheer accolades begin to outshine that 0, and I think Islam is one good win away from doing that decisively.

 

[OmegaRugal]

No...

Islam is a stud but a win against Arman would have got him closer. Beating Moicano isn't as impressive.

The real truth is that Khabib would be the champion in any LW era we have seen thus far. Islam wouldn't as he couldn't beat Khabib.

I don’t know about that.

Olivera probably a bad match up for Khabib.

Khabib doesn’t have Islam‘s striking.
Portier nearly caught Khabib in a sub. So can Charles except he could finish it.

 

[HHJ]

I don’t know about that.

Olivera probably a bad match up for Khabib.

Khabib doesn’t have Islam‘s striking.
Portier nearly caught Khabib in a sub. So can Charles except he could finish it.

I think Khabib gets Olivera. I think Volk would be the tougher challenge. Khabib def aint finishing Volk w a headkick like Islam did.

 

[Chaotic Progressor]

29-0 versus 27-1

His record is not better.

If you are arguing for better resume then you need a different thread title.

What a stupid response.

As if all records are equal or just numbers on paper. Like who you fought doesn't matter.

 

[kingmob6]

Khabib fled before he fought anyone, Islam is fighting smaller guys and fights when the other guy is short-notice.

Who did he flee from?

 

[joy2day]

Who did he flee from?

He fled the sport.

 

[kingmob6]

He fled the sport.

is he not coaching?

 

[moosaev]

It's definitely at least as good as Khabib's. Not sure how anyone can logically argue that.

Becauses losses count on the record, mma fans have a bizarrre habit of only judging a resume by wins. It’s why so many idiots were ready to crown Oliveira GOAT after 2 title defenses.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Becauses losses count on the record, mma fans have a bizarrre habit of only judging a resume by wins. It’s why so many idiots were ready to crown Oliveira GOAT after 2 title defenses.

Yeah I mean look at RDA and Couture's resume for example, their raw record isn't great but it's a murderer's row for both of them.

 

[Kratos94]

I think Tsarukyan would be a tougher fight for Islam and Khabib than Gaethje, Poirier and Oliveira. If/when Makhachev beats Tsarukyan, he will have overtaken Khabib.

 

[hector domino]

I am not going to dinegrate Islam's wins by saying one of his defense was against a a fw he already beat who had rolled off the couch and flew across the world on a few days notice, or that he had a competitive fight against a guy Khabib dominated 5 years ago.

No, instead I am going to say that RDA is better than any oponent Islam faced coming up.

The RDA khabib fought wouda been on a 10 Flight Blistering streak which included making the Joke out of a very established Champion. and Khabib made that version of RDA look like a white belt

 

[Chagaev]

Becauses losses count on the record, mma fans have a bizarrre habit of only judging a resume by wins. It’s why so many idiots were ready to crown Oliveira GOAT after 2 title defenses.

It's not an MMA thing, players and teams lose in other sports and it's part of the game as long as they win when it matters. Sure if all things are equal then the record with less losses is better, but other than that winning a trophy, defending a title should count more than avoiding a random loss.

 

[VinceArch]

I don't think it's as big an issue as some make it out to be. LW GOAT A. LW GOAT B.
Interchangeable.

 

[bjjwar]

Not at all, he still has that KO loss vs a nobody and 2 of those title defenses were against a guy from the lower division where he got beat up the first time they fought and second one was short notice for the midget. Unless he can go back in time and erase that loss,his record will always be worse than Khabib’s perfect one…

Oh I don’t know about that. Islam is a tougher match up for Charles than Khabib. Charles would have better shot at beating Khabib than Islam.

Honestly, i think Khabib's pressure and dominance would have totally crushed Charles mentally in the first round. And Volk is just too small. Those 2 (in my opinion) are very easy match ups for Khabib.

 

[JKS]

Not at all, he still has that KO loss vs a nobody and 2 of those title defenses were against a guy from the lower division where he got beat up the first time they fought and second one was short notice for the midget. Unless he can go back in time and erase that loss,his record will always be worse than Khabib’s perfect one…

Honestly, i think Khabib's pressure and dominance would have totally crushed Charles mentally in the first round. And Volk is just too small. Those 2 (in my opinion) are very easy match ups for Khabib.

Well, Charles has pressure as well and is an offensive machine, so it's like two trains colliding. But the difference is that Khabibs pressure could work against him as he would leave himself open to counters and submissions.

Khabib was far more reckless and less defensively sound than Islam. He left openings and someone like Charles could find openings with that. He took big shots to get inside, wasn't good and checking leg kicks and he left himself in some funny positions defending submissions, Dusing had him in some deep trouble.

Charles would have more openings in this match up.

 

[HHJ]

Well, Charles has pressure as well and is an offensive machine, so it's like two trains colliding. But the difference is that Khabibs pressure could work against him as he would leave himself open to counters and submissions.

Khabib was far more reckless and less defensively sound than Islam. He left openings and someone like Charles could find openings with that. He took big shots to get inside, wasn't good and checking leg kicks and he left himself in some funny positions defending submissions, Dusing had him in some deep trouble.

Charles would have more openings in this match up.

He would but he seemed discouraged and rattled by Islam before and during the fight. If he let a nice boy like Islam get under his skin, he would get run the fuck over by Khabib.

 

[JKS]

He would but he seemed discouraged and rattled by Islam before and during the fight. If he let a nice boy like Islam get under his skin, he would get run the fuck over by Khabib.

I don't about that. I think Khabib could come in aggressive and open like he did vs Gaethje and get cracked by a counter. Or gets submitted. If Poirier was able to get in that deep on a choke, Charles will put him to sleep.

I am just not a huge believer in Khabibs mystique as this unbeatable force. He had holes in is game and was fortunate he didn't face enough elite guys to exploit it. I think he was incredibly good and is the goat LW. But I think the right style match up beats him. I think Charles would get it done.

 

[HHJ]

I don't about that. I think Khabib could come in aggressive and open like he did vs Gaethje and get cracked by a counter. Or gets submitted. If Poirier was able to get in that deep on a choke, Charles will put him to sleep.

I am just not a huge believer in Khabibs mystique as this unbeatable force. He had holes in is game and was fortunate he didn't face enough elite guys to exploit it. I think he was incredibly good and is the goat LW. But I think the right style match up beats him. I think Charles would get it done.

Charles got holes in his game too. He def aint submitting Khabib

 

[Hank Grill]

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