Is HW and LHW in its weakest state now?

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I don't know if this is a knee jerk reaction to the Poatards or the people meat riding Tom out of spite towards Jones.

But I genuinely feel like both divisions are shallow as fuck. HW has Tom, Blaydes, Almeida, Pav, Gane and Volkov. There is Jones and Stipe but they are not going to scrap with anybodyelse. The rest of the division is assembled with Tank Abbott quality fighters without the charisma and balls of steal.

I am a bit speculative of Pav too after his perfomance against Volkov, I genuinely thought he looked like a slower version of Alex Emelianenko. It makes me feel like Pride Alex Emelianenko despite hardly training would probably beat some of these modern top tier heavies. But it could just be me going senile.

LHW has Poatan that seems unstoppable and especially considering that the division is deserted in terms of wrestlers to an extent that we have never seen before. It seems somebody might rise out of nowhere if Anko cannot grapple fuck him and avoid getting splattered. Strikers like Rountree and Walker have virtually zero chance against Poatan.The more polished and respected strikers like Jiri,Rakic and Hill would have the same results even with long prep.

Another indicator of LHW's weakness is Glover's and Jan's spurt of success recently, both fighters were never really top 3 in the Jones or the DC era but once those 2 left. They became champ material in their decayed 40s and late 30s. The gap between them and the next gen of stars like Hill and Jiri was pretty thin. Even Poatan did not beat Geriatric Jan definitively, they should rerun it to close the door on the narrative once and for all.
 
LHW was its weakest in 2018 and 2019. The problems LHW has had in the 2020s are more about matchmaking and injuries than there being no pieces to work with.

HWs usually been the worst division. This is just a standard fare HW division. This ain't the worst the divisions been but its not the peak either.
 
Guys like Lewis would never make it to fight for a title twice in 2011 or 2005. Too many walls on the way up.

Guys like Tuivasa wouldn't sniff the top 10 from 2005-2011.

Volkov would have to be at his best to maintain a top 10 spot in those days.

LHW is weaker than it was 20 years ago.

Do with this information what you will.
 
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I don't know if this is a knee jerk reaction to the Poatards or the people meat riding Tom out of spite towards Jones.

But I genuinely feel like both divisions are shallow as fuck. HW has Tom, Blaydes, Almeida, Pav, Gane and Volkov. There is Jones and Stipe but they are not going to scrap with anybodyelse. The rest of the division is assembled with Tank Abbott quality fighters without the charisma and balls of steal.

I am a bit speculative of Pav too after his perfomance against Volkov, I genuinely thought he looked like a slower version of Alex Emelianenko. It makes me feel like Pride Alex Emelianenko despite hardly training would probably beat some of these modern top tier heavies. But it could just be me going senile.

LHW has Poatan that seems unstoppable and especially considering that the division is deserted in terms of wrestlers to an extent that we have never seen before. It seems somebody might rise out of nowhere if Anko cannot grapple fuck him and avoid getting splattered. Strikers like Rountree and Walker have virtually zero chance against Poatan.The more polished and respected strikers like Jiri,Rakic and Hill would have the same results even with long prep.

Another indicator of LHW's weakness is Glover's and Jan's spurt of success recently, both fighters were never really top 3 in the Jones or the DC era but once those 2 left. They became champ material in their decayed 40s and late 30s. The gap between them and the next gen of stars like Hill and Jiri was pretty thin. Even Poatan did not beat Geriatric Jan definitively, they should rerun it to close the door on the narrative once and for all.
I think UFC HW and LHW 2003-2006 was pretty weak. Definitely was not deep.

A clean and focused Alex Emelianenko might be the biggest "what if" that nobody talks about.
 
Call me crazy but I think Rountree gives Pereira a decent fight
I think Rountree would struggle with Pereira size and length. Still styles makes fights and that would be a great one. Khalil seems to be taking advantage of No USADA anymore.

Too bad his fight with Hill fell off. That was an awesome one and he could have become the #1 contender after that one.
 
I think UFC HW and LHW 2003-2006 was pretty weak. Definitely was not deep.

A clean and focused Alex Emelianenko might be the biggest "what if" that nobody talks about.
Back when Sylvia was that guy, that’s understandable because talent was halved between the UFC and Pride. Pride might have stored better fighters in those divisions, though.

Big Nog, Kevin, Rampage, Sakuraba and etc were all UFC champs via tournaments or in the more modern pathway.

Wandy and Cro-cop were brittle when they were absorbed into the UFC. But, many would argue that in their prime forms, they would be able to dismantle the ufc champs of that time. So all things being considered, I would say that talent was more concentrated and vast back than nowadays.

Francis is the only HW that I see being elite in the UFC from an outside organization at this moment in time too.
 
Nah. HW and LHW truly sucked before they bought PRIDE. Just a couple of good guys at the top.
There was Tito, Iceman, Couture, Sylvia, Mir, Arlovski, Belfort, etc.

There was definitely more than one or two guys that had a realistic chance of piecing up the champ.
 
I don't know if this is a knee jerk reaction to the Poatards or the people meat riding Tom out of spite towards Jones.

But I genuinely feel like both divisions are shallow as fuck. HW has Tom, Blaydes, Almeida, Pav, Gane and Volkov. There is Jones and Stipe but they are not going to scrap with anybodyelse. The rest of the division is assembled with Tank Abbott quality fighters without the charisma and balls of steal.

I am a bit speculative of Pav too after his perfomance against Volkov, I genuinely thought he looked like a slower version of Alex Emelianenko. It makes me feel like Pride Alex Emelianenko despite hardly training would probably beat some of these modern top tier heavies. But it could just be me going senile.

LHW has Poatan that seems unstoppable and especially considering that the division is deserted in terms of wrestlers to an extent that we have never seen before. It seems somebody might rise out of nowhere if Anko cannot grapple fuck him and avoid getting splattered. Strikers like Rountree and Walker have virtually zero chance against Poatan.The more polished and respected strikers like Jiri,Rakic and Hill would have the same results even with long prep.

Another indicator of LHW's weakness is Glover's and Jan's spurt of success recently, both fighters were never really top 3 in the Jones or the DC era but once those 2 left. They became champ material in their decayed 40s and late 30s. The gap between them and the next gen of stars like Hill and Jiri was pretty thin. Even Poatan did not beat Geriatric Jan definitively, they should rerun it to close the door on the narrative once and for all.

At one point Forrest Griffin was lhw champ and Tim Sylvia then Randy Couture were hw champs.

Both divisions have been bad for a very long time.
 
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