Is Fedor one of the most complete skilled set HW ever?

[Islam Imamate]

Fedor was getting tested by WADA-accredited facilities due to his concurrent international sambo career, which is more than the fighters who competed in pre-USADA-UFC can say (they basically had an intelligence test back then).

Huh, didn't know that but neat fact. So basically of all the top PRIDE guys if you had to beat on one being clean Fedor would be a good bet.

 

[Islam Imamate]

And yes I agree with the OP, most well rounded HW every.

HW is the one division where if the guys from the past could somehow be plucked and dropped into the modern division I would still expect them to do really well. Does anyone really think prime Fedor couldn't at least earn a title shot in the UFC today? Maybe Ngannou, DC, or Stipe could beat him but I don't think anyone else aside from those three would give him much trouble.

 

[Grenades]

Dan Severn is the HW GOAT, no ones accomplishments and skill level comes close to him, but after him then yeah Fedor, Fedor was so fast for HW in his prime and was good everywhere.

Severn. First UFC champ champ (tournament champ and superfight champ), best striking defense stats ever, over 100 wins in MMA, debut at 36 years old which just is incredible, world class wrestler, world class submission skills, invented many of the submissions and locks you see today with the palm to palm grip.

Fedor, Pride champ, Strikeforce champ, great judo and sambo, very fast hands, Had probably the most skilfull fight ever in HW with Cro Cop, that was like a very high level LW fight.

Cormier.. Strikeforce champ, UFC champ champ, beat some of the best LHW's and HW's, world class wrestling, very good hands, super quick combo's.. good submission game, very good fight IQ

These are the top 3 HW's in MMA

Severn got beat up in a hotel by a civilian. DC got KTFO by Stipe (who has a better resume at HW)
Fedor lost 3 in a row once he left Japan, Which says something about him being insulated by Pride and able to rack up his impressive unbeaten record.

 

[frontkick1]

I was too lazy to do the job. Thanks mate.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Are you going to attribute that single test to his entire MMA career?

I'm not trying ot discredit Fedor here.

But make this conversation a bit fair. I do think Fedor is the greatest HW.

But his performances cannot be equally compared to Stipe's. If Stipe was allowed PED us, he'd show more too.

And that's not a judgement of Fedor. Those were the rules of combat.

So Stipe would be the only one to use?

 

[SuperNerd]

So Stipe would be the only one to use?

I suppose you could add DC?

And every HW that will come for the rest of time.

 

[Bamboozled]

Fuck his transitions into singles and his drive on the pivot is so fucking beautiful.

 

[ExitLUPin]

He is the most complete by a wide margin

Great boxer, great kicker when he used them mainly to the leg and body, great clinch game (trips, throws, strikes), great counter striker but could also fight on the front foot at an elite level, top 5 ever P4P transitioning sturikes to gurappling along with DJ, GSP, Frankie, Cruz. In his purime he was the least hit fighter statistically even less absorbed or landed than purime Cruz/Anderson/Lyoto etc. Arguably GOAT top game, GOAT gnp and amazing subs and transition to them. One of the GOAT bottom game for a HW, only purime Werdum and Nog were clearly better from bottom. Intangibles had amazing recovery, an iron will, some of the most devastating power ever, top 3 fastest HW (even now in his 40s his handspeed is comparable to the fastest current HWs)

03-05 Fedor is the GOAT fighter and it's not close

 

[PhilLeotardo]

He wasn't a wrestler, he was using Judo for takedowns and he was flawless with it at times.
Nobody else was getting Cro cop down at the time of their fight and he made Nog look like a child offensively and deffensively

WTF are you talking about. No one said was a wrestler. He’s an MMArtist & wrestling is a facet of that. His wrestling was terrible & it definitely hurt him, especially later on

Wtf does the cro cop fight have to do with anything? Nogueira had terrible wrestling. Don’t just say random stuff to say it lol. We get it, you like fedor. He was a great fighter. His wrestling was cringey though

 

[PhilLeotardo]

He is the most complete by a wide margin

Great boxer, great kicker when he used them mainly to the leg and body, great clinch game (trips, throws, strikes), great counter striker but could also fight on the front foot at an elite level, top 5 ever P4P transitioning sturikes to gurappling along with DJ, GSP, Frankie, Cruz. In his purime he was the least hit fighter statistically even less absorbed or landed than purime Cruz/Anderson/Lyoto etc. Arguably GOAT top game, GOAT gnp and amazing subs and transition to them. One of the GOAT bottom game for a HW, only purime Werdum and Nog were clearly better from bottom. Intangibles had amazing recovery, an iron will, some of the most devastating power ever, top 3 fastest HW (even now in his 40s his handspeed is comparable to the fastest current HWs)

03-05 Fedor is the GOAT fighter and it's not close

Wrong. GSP was the most complete by a country mile, and there have been plenty of guys who were much more well rounded (albeit not as dangerous). Fedor wasn’t close to being the most complete. His wrestling was awful, and his technical boxing was a joke. He got hit a lot. He also had trouble finishing guys sometimes. He was involved in quite a few stinkers. The Schilt fight comes to mind, what a bore that was. Definition of lay n pray. Especially considering the brutal beating that Kharitonov gave Schilt around the same time period

 

[Bamboozled]

Wrong. GSP was the most complete by a country mile, and there have been plenty of guys who were much more well rounded (albeit not as dangerous). Fedor wasn’t close to being the most complete. His wrestling was awful, and his technical boxing was a joke. He got hit a lot. He also had trouble finishing guys sometimes. He was involved in quite a few stinkers. The Schilt fight comes to mind, what a bore that was. Definition of lay n pray. Especially considering the brutal beating that Kharitonov gave Schilt around the same time period

His inability to finish guys was because he would break his fucking hands on their heads. His technical boxing was pretty damn good, his footwork was excellent. He adapted very well to each opponent. He did become a headhunter and his lateral movement suffered, but you obviously didn't watch the man in his prime.

His wrestling being a "joke" is only when it came to TDD when roid monsters like Randleman and Coleman would literally lift a fucking house (maybe hyperbole, not much though). Not many guys stopped that. Again, you probably didn't watch back then.

 

[PhilLeotardo]

Learn some reading comprehension. His WRESTLING was a joke. Which it was. His single leg attempts were cringe worthy & telegraphed. And those comically telegraphed judo trips would never fly in 2020

 

[Bamboozled]

Learn some reading comprehension. His WRESTLING was a joke. Which it was. His single leg attempts were cringe worthy & telegraphed. And those comically telegraphed judo trips would never fly in 2020

You realize a lot of those are the same as Greco and transitioning into other takedowns right? Sambo is like Pajama greco that allows leg attacks

 

[DevilsPt2]

Wrong. GSP was the most complete by a country mile, and there have been plenty of guys who were much more well rounded (albeit not as dangerous). Fedor wasn’t close to being the most complete. His wrestling was awful, and his technical boxing was a joke. He got hit a lot. He also had trouble finishing guys sometimes. He was involved in quite a few stinkers. The Schilt fight comes to mind, what a bore that was. Definition of lay n pray. Especially considering the brutal beating that Kharitonov gave Schilt around the same time period

For a guy so sure of himself you're wrong on readily available info. If Fedor got hit a lot then everyone gets hit a lot. http://ufcstats.com/fighter-details/b8da6f5c80ae2d15 look for his SaPM. Also wrestling isnt just singles and doubles, we throw people as well but lke I said before, same result regardless of art. If you want to shit on his whizzer go ahead but at least try to know what you're talking about when you do.

 

[Schaub]

Learn some reading comprehension. His WRESTLING was a joke. Which it was. His single leg attempts were cringe worthy & telegraphed. And those comically telegraphed judo trips would never fly in 2020

My post proving you wrong got 40 likes, your posts have replies of people calling you an idiot. You may want to take the 30-27 and leave it.

And you're trolling if you think his judo is telegraphed.

Look at the uchi mata he landed on a Chael who's a Div 1, Pac 12, Olympic alternate wrestler.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Werdum and Overeem seem pretty close to Fedor or are maybe even more well rounded.

I thought Werdum too, Overeem is a fair call as well, shitlod of sub victories.

 

[Hirashin]

Primer Fedor rules till the end of time.
Ngannou might blic him though...

 

[Smato_rules]

Stipe and Fedor went under the same testing.

I understand, thank you.



At no point did I suggest Fedor is exempt from anything. I suggested he still is the HW GOAT.

The drug testing is something to consider just as much a fight rule set.

I'm sorry you hate hearing this.

I feel like you think the point your making is way smarter than it actually is haha. I get what your saying, Fedor got to use ped’s, thus was able to train harder than Stipe and display better technique because of that, but you’re reallyyyyy reaching with that. Especially since you write off any decent rebuttal made such as: wada testing for his sambo career that ran along the same timeline as his mma career, so if he were to be using he’d have to be cycling and sneaking around it like current mma fighters, and also him passing every drug test he’s been administered.

 

[Conor_Is_Overrated]

He is the most complete by a wide margin

Great boxer, great kicker when he used them mainly to the leg and body, great clinch game (trips, throws, strikes), great counter striker but could also fight on the front foot at an elite level, top 5 ever P4P transitioning sturikes to gurappling along with DJ, GSP, Frankie, Cruz. In his purime he was the least hit fighter statistically even less absorbed or landed than purime Cruz/Anderson/Lyoto etc. Arguably GOAT top game, GOAT gnp and amazing subs and transition to them. One of the GOAT bottom game for a HW, only purime Werdum and Nog were clearly better from bottom. Intangibles had amazing recovery, an iron will, some of the most devastating power ever, top 3 fastest HW (even now in his 40s his handspeed is comparable to the fastest current HWs)

03-05 Fedor is the GOAT fighter and it's not close

Perfect summary.
And indeed, his handspeed is still pretty decent. If he had his chin from his prime, he would still be a very dangerous fighter (at age 43!!), even with his basic headhunting style of now...

 

[Mortal Wombat]

He was but the last 10 years he has head hunted and hasn't grappled the same way.

Edit: Shit dud hasn't won by sub since 08 so thats gotta tell us something. Fedor was out of his prime well before Werdum.