Is Dana stacking 299 to counter program Ngannou's next fight?

[Mohawk Banditó]

 

[Poirierfan]

I can't help but notice that immediately after Ngannou vs Anthony Joshua was announced, Dana comes out and announced 2 major fights, Poirier vs Saint-Denis being scheduled for the same weekend as Ngannou vs Joshua.

He did the exact same thing when Ngannou vs Fury was announced. Do you think it is coincidence or related?

Nah, your accusations are unfounded. Also the UFC never mentioned some nobody being the first Cameroon fighter in the UFC after Francis left. It's all just a coincidence imo, Dana's never been known to be petty like that.

 

[Poirierfan]

It’s great for Big Frank though sucks for mma fans hence my dislike of the dude. I find him disingenuous and could always saw his pants were on fire. He doesn’t “own” the UFC though. Him fighting in and making the PFL more successful than Dana’s org would be owning them. This is just him proving he’s a lying greedy ass capitalist like the rest of us and rightfully so but all that fighting the good fight for the average mma fighter malarkey was a load of shit. He’s no better than Dana or Conor and all the smiling pics of him put on mma websites by hacks who couldn’t get a better writing gig (“journalists”) isn’t going to change my mind.

Pfft, lol....

 

[markys00]

There isn't a card that Dana could put together that would rival an AJ/Ngannou fight tbh. The only way I see that happening is via Jones/Aspinall or a Conor McGregor title fight on the same night.

HW boxing is still the main attraction.

Lol this is too funny.

 

[Substance Abuse]

No? I don't think the times matchup. Regardless, it's a stacked card, so we benefit for whatever reason it is.

 

[Poirierfan]

You are very wrong. HW boxing is most certainly not the main attraction in the US PPV market and hasn't been since Lewis vs Tyson two decades ago. Wilder vs Fury 2, the biggest you will find in many years, did about 800,000 - and that involved an American fighter and had all the momentum from fight 1.

The UFC absolutely could put on events that would not only rival but blow out of the water a fight between two non-Americans in the US. AJ usually isn't even on US PPV and fights in the UK time slot.

For AJ it is all about the UK PPV market, where he dominates and the UFC usually doesn't even compete in. Does very well on German tv too. This is where the Saudis will focus. In the US they will hope it is a big media story rather than worrying about the PPVs, which will be degraded by the time slot like they were for Fury vs Ngannou.

And most boxing fans that were going to buy AJ/Francis won't give two shits about the UFC in the first place - the fanbases have a lot of segregation.

This is why counter-programming will be barely effective. Francis vs AJ is mainly a UK/Europe PPV/ratings event, UFC 299 is mainly a US PPV event.

Nah, he's right imo, the AJ vs Francis fight is the biggest fight in a very long time. And they're talking about Wilder and that Asian dude being on the undercard. I think you're the one that doesn't get it imo.

 

[Poirierfan]

It's not even going to conflict. Those Saudi Boxing cards are on in the afternoon (EST) end way before the UFC prelims even start.

It's not even on the same day, it's on a Friday, March the 8th.

 

[markys00]

Nah, he's right imo, the AJ vs Francis fight is the biggest fight in a very long time. And they're talking about Wilder and that Asian dude being on the undercard. I think you're the one that doesn't get it imo.

Bloody Elbow
bloodyelbow.com
Report: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou PPV numbers extremely low

Apparently, the numbers were super low...

 

[Poirierfan]

Well, let's hope Francis beats Joshua and fights Wilder then so we can get another stacked card.

Let's have Francis boxing big names every two months!

If Francis wins he damn sure isn't fighting Wilder, Wilder just lost. There's a rematch clause with Fury and Fury has up to 1 year to fulfill it. They talked about it on Ariels show recently.

 

[rjmbrd]

It's not even airing at the same time. The fight should be over by the time the UFC prelims start.

You are competing for mind-space, there are lots of people who will watch one or the other and build their night around it.

Only the hardcore types who are a fairly small minority of the paying public are going to watch both.

 

[JKS]

I don't think Dana's announcement had anything do with Francis/Joshua. Promoters do this all the time and Dana has done it many times and will do it again when needed. But in this case, it's just a regular fight announcement, just a coincidence that it happened around Francis/Joshua. And why I think that?? It's Poirier vs BSD. I mean it's a good fight and all, but hardly anything that big to combat the Francis fight.

 

[markg171]

Shot:

Nah, he's right imo, the AJ vs Francis fight is the biggest fight in a very long time. And they're talking about Wilder and that Asian dude being on the undercard. I think you're the one that doesn't get it imo.

Chaser:

It's not even on the same day, it's on a Friday, March the 8th.

AJ / Francis is the biggest fight of all time but it's on a Friday cause nobody will watch it.

 

[Domitian]

Bloody Elbow
bloodyelbow.com
Report: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou PPV numbers extremely low

Apparently, the numbers were super low...

The Saudi's don't give a shit. They have enough fuck you money they can put Francis vs Fury on for a few of their friends to come watch and not give a shit if any of the rest of the world watches. They aren't exactly a for profit.

 

[rjmbrd]

Bloody Elbow
bloodyelbow.com
Report: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou PPV numbers extremely low

Apparently, the numbers were super low...

The card aired starting at 1PM ET, and 10AM on the west coast. If you were in California, the main event started around 2:30PM.

All other variables aside, that is a legit terrible time to air a PPV fight card. This was backed by Saudi for their own purposes, not to generate a lot of USA PPV sales.

 

[don't ask]

I'm interested in UFC 299, more interested in a UFC card than I have been in a decade, but if it's going up against Ngannou then Ngannou is going to win my attention. UFC is consistently so shitty that I only watch it when there's nothing else to do with my life.

 

[markg171]

The Saudi's don't give a shit. They have enough fuck you money they can put Francis vs Fury on for a few of their friends to come watch and not give a shit if any of the rest of the world watches. They aren't exactly a for profit.

You do realize buys = people right?

Not money?

1 buy = 1 person. The revenue generated is a completely different topic determined by how much said buy cost.

This is a thread about people tuning in, not how much it's costing each business.

 

[Domitian]

You do realize buys = people right?

Not money?

1 buy = 1 person. The revenue generated is a completely different topic determined by how much said buy cost.

What's the relevance of ppv buys here? The people who put on the fight didn't care if anyone bought the card or watched.

 

[markys00]

The card aired starting at 1PM ET, and 10AM on the west coast. If you were in California, the main event started around 2:30PM.

All other variables aside, that is a legit terrible time to air a PPV fight card. This was backed by Saudi for their own purposes, not to generate a lot of USA PPV sales.

That wasn't the argument I made.

 

[markys00]

What's the relevance of ppv buys here? The people who put on the fight didn't care if anyone bought the card or watched.

Because the argument being made was that it was a huge fight. Big usually means lots of ppv numbers.

 

[markg171]

What's the relevance of ppv buys here? The people who put on the fight didn't care if anyone bought the card or watched.

You're literally in a thread wondering if Dana's trying to outperform the Francis / AJ card with his own 299 card.

So how many people tune in to watch the two cards is uh, kinda the entire issue...?