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Alot of misconceptions here...
1. Fusen Ryu Jujutsu looks nothing like BJJ.. Sure it had Ground Submissions but those submissions were sloppy/ugly and the art itself was filled with dangerous techniques such as groin strikes, eye gouges. These are the techniques Kano himself took out of his style of Jujutsu, not triangle chokes, leg submissions, and flying armbars.Ground fighting techniques were revolutionized by Judo players and now most currently Brasilian Jiu Jitsu players.
2. Kosen Judo students did develop a strong ground game during their existence and Kimura himself was a member of a Kosen College team (see his bio at judoinfo.com) and can be seen on the Kosen/Koshen Judo tapes. From those tapes you'll see open guard variations such as delariva/jello guard, spider gard, sweeps, etc. Kosen is a judo game just like olympic judo is a judo game and in my opinion sport bjj is a judo game. The difference in rules for kosen and bjj is in kosen you start on the ground, while in bjj you start standing, and in Kosen you can win by either pin or submission. Jorge Medhi who is a student of Kimura's and studied judo at a japanese college with Kimura, is thought to have influenced techniques in BJJ since alot of his students cross trained with the gracie academy from the 50's to curently. Again, the triangle choke wasn't even used in sport bjj until the 1970's, and it was pulled from one of Rolls Gracie's students from a old Judo book.
3. Kano never wanted judo to be completely a sport but rather a martial art with a sporting attitude, i.e. Tapping to a submission, bowing to your opponent and thanking him for competing with you. One of his early books calls Judo, Judo: Japans form of Self Defense. However at its beginnning, judo had many playeres who seriously injured each other because of the lack of sporting attitude and slowly but surely techniques such as leg locks and other silly rules were beginning to be banned from japanese tournaments. These techniques however thrived in europe, so when the sambo revolution arrived in europe during the 60's and 70's, many european judoka were somewhat successful in the russian tournaments. All the rule changes have been made by the kodokan itself in order to promote sporting attitude, but it has seemed to backfire as olmypic judo is a watered down version of Judo the Martial Art. Many Modern Judo Dojos might as well change their names to Tachi Waza ryu Judo.
4. Judo or Kano Ryu Jiu Jitsu (Jujutsu) is a complete self defense/Martial art system that includes striking, throwing, and ground fighting techniques. The striking was taking out of sport judo but was still intended to be part of judo, or else Kano would have never had it in his system in the first place. Judo's advantage over other systems was randori (resistance sparring/training). Modern Judo is primarily teaching olympic judo and is thus focusing on 1/3 of the art itself.
5. JuJutsu (jiu Jitsu) is not a ground fighting martial art. Jiu Jitsu isn't one style, and it is actually the Japanese equivalent of the word "martial art." Different Samurai families taught different styles and these systems survived into modern japan. Kano mastered a few of these styles and took the best parts of it and created his style, but with a focus on sparring or randori. Kano also created the Gi, and belt ranking system. He is a frigging innovator for God sakes and is solely responsible for the seeds of his art to be planted in Brasil and grow pure away from the politics of theKodokan and IJF. When Maeda reached Brazil, Judo and Jiu Jitsu were still used interchangeably in Japan being Judo was only around 20 years old, but he definately taught Carlos Gracie Judo, and all the early judo dojos in brazil still retain the word jiu jitsu to describe their art. BJJ can not possibly be from any one lineage of jiu jitsu except for Kano Ryu Jiu Jitsu.
Different rules, Same martial art.
1. Fusen Ryu Jujutsu looks nothing like BJJ.. Sure it had Ground Submissions but those submissions were sloppy/ugly and the art itself was filled with dangerous techniques such as groin strikes, eye gouges. These are the techniques Kano himself took out of his style of Jujutsu, not triangle chokes, leg submissions, and flying armbars.Ground fighting techniques were revolutionized by Judo players and now most currently Brasilian Jiu Jitsu players.
2. Kosen Judo students did develop a strong ground game during their existence and Kimura himself was a member of a Kosen College team (see his bio at judoinfo.com) and can be seen on the Kosen/Koshen Judo tapes. From those tapes you'll see open guard variations such as delariva/jello guard, spider gard, sweeps, etc. Kosen is a judo game just like olympic judo is a judo game and in my opinion sport bjj is a judo game. The difference in rules for kosen and bjj is in kosen you start on the ground, while in bjj you start standing, and in Kosen you can win by either pin or submission. Jorge Medhi who is a student of Kimura's and studied judo at a japanese college with Kimura, is thought to have influenced techniques in BJJ since alot of his students cross trained with the gracie academy from the 50's to curently. Again, the triangle choke wasn't even used in sport bjj until the 1970's, and it was pulled from one of Rolls Gracie's students from a old Judo book.
3. Kano never wanted judo to be completely a sport but rather a martial art with a sporting attitude, i.e. Tapping to a submission, bowing to your opponent and thanking him for competing with you. One of his early books calls Judo, Judo: Japans form of Self Defense. However at its beginnning, judo had many playeres who seriously injured each other because of the lack of sporting attitude and slowly but surely techniques such as leg locks and other silly rules were beginning to be banned from japanese tournaments. These techniques however thrived in europe, so when the sambo revolution arrived in europe during the 60's and 70's, many european judoka were somewhat successful in the russian tournaments. All the rule changes have been made by the kodokan itself in order to promote sporting attitude, but it has seemed to backfire as olmypic judo is a watered down version of Judo the Martial Art. Many Modern Judo Dojos might as well change their names to Tachi Waza ryu Judo.
4. Judo or Kano Ryu Jiu Jitsu (Jujutsu) is a complete self defense/Martial art system that includes striking, throwing, and ground fighting techniques. The striking was taking out of sport judo but was still intended to be part of judo, or else Kano would have never had it in his system in the first place. Judo's advantage over other systems was randori (resistance sparring/training). Modern Judo is primarily teaching olympic judo and is thus focusing on 1/3 of the art itself.
5. JuJutsu (jiu Jitsu) is not a ground fighting martial art. Jiu Jitsu isn't one style, and it is actually the Japanese equivalent of the word "martial art." Different Samurai families taught different styles and these systems survived into modern japan. Kano mastered a few of these styles and took the best parts of it and created his style, but with a focus on sparring or randori. Kano also created the Gi, and belt ranking system. He is a frigging innovator for God sakes and is solely responsible for the seeds of his art to be planted in Brasil and grow pure away from the politics of theKodokan and IJF. When Maeda reached Brazil, Judo and Jiu Jitsu were still used interchangeably in Japan being Judo was only around 20 years old, but he definately taught Carlos Gracie Judo, and all the early judo dojos in brazil still retain the word jiu jitsu to describe their art. BJJ can not possibly be from any one lineage of jiu jitsu except for Kano Ryu Jiu Jitsu.
Different rules, Same martial art.
