Tech "intel's f-----"

[rob mafia]

Anyone with a B350 or X370 motherboard won't be able to upgrade to the Zen 3 refresh. And anyone with a B450 or X470 won't be guaranteed to be supported, and will likely face restrictions even if they are eligible to manually retrieve an unofficial BIOS that isn't pushed via Windows.

Of course, none of that has anything to do with the fact Intel offers the best CPU at every available price point, currently.

...with a TCO that's much worse.

 

[Madmick]

...with a TCO that's much worse.

You keep saying that, but the TCO is higher for Alder Lake because the related components are superior, not just the CPU itself. Meanwhile, no, the TCO is not higher for all the price points below $300. Every Intel below that price point wins, and none carries a system premium.

 

[rob mafia]

You keep saying that, but the TCO is higher for Alder Lake because the related components are superior, not just the CPU itself. Meanwhile, no, the TCO is not higher for all the price points below $300. Every Intel below that price point wins, and none carries a system premium.

...then it's dumb to make arguments for it being a budget build, isn't it?

Every Intel below that price point wins, and none carries a system premium.

WAT

this doesn't even make sense.

 

[Madmick]

...then it's dumb to make arguments for it being a budget build, isn't it?



WAT

this doesn't even make sense.

You have an impressively poor verbal retention. I will patiently iterate that I never called it a "budget build" CPU. I praised PEB's 10700K on its value. Then I sardonically noted that you would suddenly start caring about value now that Alder Lake has usurped gaming supremacy. You haven't failed to disappoint with your clinging to "TCO".

He doesn't seem to comprehend the concept of value.

Except I'm sure he'll suddenly discover it, temporarily, now that the Intel Alder Lake CPUs are destroying the Ryzen 5000 series.

Basically, you're crying that DDR5 RAM is more costly than DDR4 RAM. Uh, well, duh. DDR4-4000 RAM costs more than DDR4-3600 RAM. It was you, in fact, who first invoked "budget builds" (while simultaneously exposing your ignorance about Alder Lake's power consumption as I highlighted on the previous page).

lolz @ bringing up value, though - yeah, they're a great value and only eat like double the wattage. oh. well, whatever. i'm sure all the budget builds that want to pay premiums for new mobos/ram (and a cooler or 20?) will be excited to have a not really budget build.

I responded:

Pretty sure all the "budget builders" will be still be getting Intel since AMD hasn't even made a product for them, LOL.

You then responded:

you lost me. $299 for a 5800x, mc is bringing it, as usual.

Clearly I never called $300 a budget price point. You are the one implying that. I pointed out that "budget builders", which are people buying CPUs below this price point, will all opt for Intel since AMD never even bothered to make a Zen 3 CPU below the $299 MSRP 5600X. Meanwhile, at MC, Intel offerings are a no-brainer, and do NOT carry a higher TCO-- in fact, their advantage grows if considering the total cost:

• ($69) i3-10100F
• ($159) i5-10400
• ($199) i5-11600K
• ($199) i7-10700K

Intel is winning at every price point. They're even winning for value-minded future proofers who are willing to spend more to get an Alder Lake CPU.

 

[My Spot]

@rob mafia $300 is definitely not a budget price at all for a CPU.

 

[rob mafia]

You have an impressively poor verbal retention. I will patiently iterate that I never called it a "budget build" CPU

umm

How is someone buying an R5-1600 only to upgrade it to a Zen 3 refresh that will hopefully be more powerful than a 12600K putting together a "budget build"?

wow, much hard.

Then I sardonically noted that you would suddenly start caring about value now that

yeah, "suddenly." i guess you "suddenly" forgot about when i brought that up previously (months ago [spring? it was during the great goalpost shift of 2021, where you moved them all the way to sales tax] ), regarding wattage/etc. which you mocked. and now... lolz.

0/2, i'm gonna stop you there.

again:

'intel's fucked? lolz! hell, no! don't be ridiculous! sure, they're the only semi company to have shrank in the last few years and sure they blew all their money on buybacks and are now in debt and begging for govt handouts... but if one pays premiums for higher TCO, they can have a "budget build" that... costs more! but they should just sell their GPUs and run 5700Gs.'

...or are you taking back your 5700G assessment now?

@rob mafia $300 is definitely not a budget price at all for a CPU.

i don't even know why you're telling me this. i'm not the one arguing about budget builds.


lolz @ you guys posting data indicating that intel's margins are cut in THIS thread, largely about intel's margins dropping.

the irony is delicious. the fact that you're blind to it... even moreso.


edit: laaaawlz

i just realized madmick doubled-down on the MC goof.

i didn't respond about budget builds, genius. i responded to your asking of MC deals. worse, i already reiterated this. (and called out that massive goalpost shift [the madmick special!] - also, this is the "4 hours" post... lolz.) this is now the 2nd time i'm clarifying such an OBVIOUS reply.

What about Microcenter? What about those great deals?

you lost me. $299 for a 5800x, mc is bringing it, as usual. talk about salt... your jealousy of mc.

whoa, he mentioned a deal? in obvious response to a question about deals? MUST BE A BUDGET BUILD, AMIRITE?




so you took "bringing it," removed the context, changed the subject from mc to amd, changed the context to "budget build," and tried to strawman me into an argument i didn't make (and knew i didn't, hence...)

TAKE YOUR MEDS.

 

[PEB]

I'm just happy everything running ok with the Intel is 10 gen budget build. Just showing my garage workshop setup all DIY. It's budget give the price of all the parts as a whole.

 

[rob mafia]

I'm just happy everything running ok with the Intel is 10 gen budget build. Just showing my garage workshop setup all DIY. It's budget give the price of all the parts as a whole.

wumao grammar...

 

[PEB]

wumao grammar...

Sorry it was 2 am in the morning and I was just getting back to my house to go to bed from my garage. Oh and Intel Alder Lake mobile chip going to take the crown over both AMD and even Apple in mobile performance by up to 47 percent. At least in cinebench multicore performance leak. This is just the beginning even before Intel takes out the big guns.

 

[Madmick]

Sorry it was 2 am in the morning and I was just getting back to my house to go to bed from my garage. Oh and Intel Alder Lake mobile chip going to take the crown over both AMD and even Apple in mobile performance by up to 47 percent. At least in cinebench multicore performance leak. This is just the beginning even before Intel takes out the big guns.

I'll believe it when I see it.

The Apple M1 Max is so far ahead of anything Intel or AMD is capable of producing it's stupid. It's the most dominant chip in its class since the IBM days.

 

[PEB]

I'll believe it when I see it.

The Apple M1 Max is so far ahead of anything Intel or AMD is capable of producing it's stupid. It's the most dominant chip in its class since the IBM days.

I saw a report with the type H Intel alder lake mobile on one test but the single core performance was 15 to 20 percent faster then the M1 Max and the multicore ran with "12 core mobile I believe?" and was impressive 48 percent improvement in graphics and around 30 or so multicore. The issue is the DDR5 memory is almost impossible to get your hands on. But I don't know what memory type they where running.

 

[rob mafia]

Sorry it was 2 am in the morning and I was just getting back to my house to go to bed from my garage. Oh and Intel Alder Lake mobile chip going to take the crown over both AMD and even Apple in mobile performance by up to 47 percent. At least in cinebench multicore performance leak. This is just the beginning even before Intel takes out the big guns.

 

[PEB]

Pat Gelsinger is a game changer much like Lisa Su an I know likely many of the people he will bring over they take no prisoners and will find new ways to achieve greater performance. I don't need to see dumb memes to figure that Pat will radically change Intel to create new products.

 

[rob mafia]

Pat Gelsinger is a game changer much like Lisa Su an I know likely many of the people he will bring over they take no prisoners and will find new ways to achieve greater performance. I don't need to see dumb memes to figure that Pat will radically change Intel to create new products.

many thought so. and most already determined he's just a snake oil peddler after he goes on tv weekly to tell everyone what they want to hear.

ffs, their plan is basically insane (like 5 node executions in record time and leapfrogging everyone... while putting less into development than tsmc is). and he's still rambling about how they're getting apple back. he's full of shit. fuck, he just insisted they're getting apple back just this week. even the cnbc anchors wised up to it. how the fuck are they going to get apple back when apple designed better hardware, themselves? and when intel's trying to outsource? it's fucking retarded.

lisa su, jensen, victor peng, etc - are on cnbc like 5x year. generally, just when they're reporting earnings.

patty g is a media whore and is on cnbc about once a week (and that's just cnbc...). honestly, his job just seems to be to do crazy, incessant pr.

he's not a gamechanger. and companies (especially ones in intel's situation) can't just pivot rapidly.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

On the positive side of this, it’s good to see two firms in a relatively difficult to enter market actually competing with one another rather than the rampant collusion that seems to take place in so many other industries these days.

 

[PEB]

On the positive side of this, it’s good to see two firms in a relatively difficult to enter market actually competing with one another rather than the rampant collusion that seems to take place in so many other industries these days.

Thank you very good point we all win. Remember the dry days where Intel was running the show little upgrades where made because of its dominate position now we have two companies working full steam ahead with new competitors such as Apple.

 

[jefferz]

I read what you wrote, but it's only relevant to upgraders, not new buyers, and even not all of the former. B350 and X370 motherboards aren't supported by Zen 3, officially. The motherboards which can be flashed for Zen 3 support, and this isn't all of them, don't necessarily support NVMe, or don't support the latest BIOS updates if they do. So I assessed the strategy, which is still interesting, to prospective new buyers, but as you read, it doesn't quite work. And, while cheaper for those who can opt for this, it isn't really cheaper in the long run, because they'll still be walled off from next gen components until they buy a next gen motherboard.

Ryzen 5000 CPU support added to Asus and Gigabyte A320 motherboards
Ahh, the A320 chipset. It’s not exactly the chipset of choice for most gaming rigs, but it can run a low to mid-range CPU as well as any other AM4 motherboard. Thanks to Tom’s Hardware, news comes that Asus and Gigabyte have enabled Ryzen 5000 series support on many of their A320 boards. This means A320 users have an upgrade path that could bring large performance gains while skipping the need to buy a new motherboard.

 

[PEB]

Intel's lowest cost GPU is looking to come with an odd 6 gig of DDR6 ram and clocked at a speedy 2.2 to 2.5 ghz. It's being reported it will handle the GTX 1650 pretty easily. Little else is know about this new GPU by Intel but potentially the price under 180 dollars.

 

[jefferz]

Intel's lowest cost GPU is looking to come with an odd 6 gig of DDR6 ram and clocked at a speedy 2.2 to 2.5 ghz. It's being reported it will handle the GTX 1650 pretty easily. Little else is know about this new GPU by Intel but potentially the price under 180 dollars.

Intel is being smart and targeting the largest segment of gamers, 1080p.
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[Blayt7hh]

On the contrary, I made an effort to find relevance in an irrelevant tangent you introduced. You responded to a post where the 5800X was being compared to the 12600K as a prospective purchase for new buyers. Upgrades to prior owners aren't relevant to this, and the 5800X isn't one of these upcoming Zen 3 refreshes. So you're projecting your own transgression onto me.

If you’re talking about a mobo being able to take a cpu upgrade in the future, then it’s currently a wash. Intel almost always abandons previous gen mobos when they release a new cpu. That’s one thing I do hate about their model vs amd.