Tech "intel's f-----"

[Madmick]

WAT, you brilliantly asked "What about Microcenter? What about those great deals?"

derp! congrats on moving goalposts already, though. it's quite a feat.

lolz. 4 hours...

Concession accepted.

 

[rob mafia]

Concession accepted.

<{cruzshake}>


and lolz @ abusing mod power to ban me from the gaming hardware/build threads (for your own arguments, really) and then shitposting gaming/build here.

while evading the actual arguments.



i can't fathom why this sub has 9 posters.

 

[Madmick]

<{cruzshake}>


and lolz @ abusing mod power to ban me from the gaming hardware/build threads (for your own arguments, really) and then shitposting gaming/build here.

while evading the actual arguments.



i can't fathom why this sub has 9 posters.

 

[rob mafia]

...lolz, what would i want them for? i'm not the one who's butthurt.

 

[rob mafia]

lolz @ choosing today to talk shit. it's kind of uncanny (the last bunch were all hilariously timed)

amd just went ssj3. up 10%


you don't even want to know how intel's fared from the start of this thread to now.

What are they bringing right now?

lolz. 4 hours...

 

[rob mafia]

amd up 12%. nearly has intel's market cap.

@Madmick on suicide watch. you picked a great day to talk shit.


intel in the red from then to now and begging for govt handouts after pissing away billions in buybacks to line their own pockets. meanwhile, literally every other semi company has seen massive growth, with many doubling (or more).

but what did/do i know, amirite? intel has a cpu that can finally beat amd's year old model... while using fucktons of power. screw TCO, amirite? no one cares about that. i'm sure datacenter's fine with needing nuclear reactors to power a server.

 

[PEB]

amd up 12%. nearly has intel's market cap.

@Madmick on suicide watch. you picked a great day to talk shit.


intel in the red from then to now and begging for govt handouts after pissing away billions in buybacks to line their own pockets. meanwhile, literally every other semi company has seen massive growth, with many doubling (or more).

but what did/do i know, amirite? intel has a cpu that can finally beat amd's year old model... while using fucktons of power. screw TCO, amirite? no one cares about that. i'm sure datacenter's fine with needing nuclear reactors to power a server.

Rob Intel hardly on death watch an many intel chips still go into other people's products. They invented USB, thunderbolt interface, PCi bus, X86 architecture, most of the original multimedia audio extensions I could go on. Ton of Apple products still rely on Intel products.

 

[rob mafia]

Rob Intel hardly on death watch an many intel chips still go into other people's products. They invented USB, thunderbolt interface, PCi bus, X86 architecture, most of the original multimedia audio extensions I could go on. Ton of Apple products still rely on Intel products.

 

[PEB]

That's the best you got? Point to me any significant efforts by AMD beyond X86 64 bit extensions? Contributions to the industry such as USB?

 

[rob mafia]

That's the best you got? Point to me any significant efforts by AMD beyond X86 64 bit extensions? Contributions to the industry such as USB?

lolz @ putting words in my mouth, getting everything wrong, and posting THAT much stupid and THEN being all 'that's the best you got?'

i'm amazed you managed to restrain your hatred of taiwan for a few posts.

 

[PEB]

lolz @ putting words in my mouth, getting everything wrong, and posting THAT much stupid and THEN being all 'that's the best you got?'

i'm amazed you managed to restrain your hatred of taiwan for a few posts.

My hatred of Tiawan? Lol all I am pointing out TSMC does not have an exclusive on chip technology? I also would like more capacity to manufacture this key economic technology. One company controls over 25 percent of chip production worldwide is dumb economically.

 

[rob mafia]

My hatred of Tiawan? Lol all I am pointing out TSMC does not have an exclusive on chip technology? I also would like more capacity to manufacture this key economic technology. One company controls over 25 percent of chip production worldwide is dumb economically.

...all you were pointing out is a stawman that no one ever said?

good job!

 

[jefferz]

A $300 CPU is now a "budget builder" CPU?


What are they bringing right now? A dead socket? By your own past arguments, which always dismissed value considerations of accompanying components, even one of the lucky few who lives near a MC who could get it at that price could save the drive, and buy a 12600K online (or at MC as well). Unless you wish to concede every past argument you made dismissing corollary Cooler/MoBo/PSU/Gas prices as invalid, and that Intel's were always better priced than the 5600X on those same considerations, then consistency demands you accept the 12600K is superior to the 5800X even at this unicorn MC equal price point:

And no, the extra two cores mean nothing. It isn't better in AI workloads, office productivity, scientific research, or video/photo editing workloads.

Besides, they'd also sacrifice DDR5 RAM support, a PCIe 5.0 slot, native USB 3.2 Gen2x2 ports (in the lowest end boards), and potentially Thunderbolt 4 depending on the MoBo. A thrifty-minded buyer spending this much on a CPU/Mobo would be sensitive to that because they might opt to upgrade in the future rather than build a whole new rig. Any additional money for a Z690 motherboard is worth it to avoid a dead socket that can't be upgraded.

After all, the 5600X is back up to $305 online, and the 5800X is up to $386 (and you can include merchants like antonline via eBay). I inferred that this is why he posted this here. So much for AMD securing those supply lines. Obviously Intel is doing a better job of keeping them stocked because they boast so many more options at affordable prices.

AM4 isn't completely dead, there's supposedly going to be that Zen 3 refresh with V-Cache coming out early next year.

 

[rob mafia]

AM4 isn't completely dead, there's supposedly going to be that Zen 3 refresh with V-Cache coming out early next year.

it doesn't matter. he'd already forgotten what his own question was by that post (mc deals -> budget build) and had the idiocy to ask what amd was bringing 4 hours before their event. plus, i mentioned $300 5800Xs from mc and he then rambled about them being $386.

after shitting up even this thread... after basically banning me from this sub (this seems to be the only thread i can post in)

he's off his meds.

 

[Madmick]

AM4 isn't completely dead, there's supposedly going to be that Zen 3 refresh with V-Cache coming out early next year.

It's a dead man walking. No DDR5, no PCIe 5.0, no USB 4, no Thunderbolt 4.

That refresh will bring a whole new set of performance values to weigh, but the fact it's on a dead socket will hamstring it. Because a refresh to Zen 3 offers no enhancement of value to a prospective budget-minded buyer today weighing the value of future upgrades. Spending $300 on a CPU today just so that you might spend just as much (or more) in six months for an incremental improvement to replace it exemplifies a fool's plan for future-proofing. Meanwhile, the Intel buyer's motherboard will be relevant for years and years as support for incoming upgrades. And since the 12600K is clobbering the 5800X on CPU-value today, that's just icing on the cake.

 

[jefferz]

It's a dead man walking. No DDR5, no PCIe 5.0, no USB 4, no Thunderbolt 4.

That refresh will bring a whole new set of performance values to weigh, but the fact it's on a dead socket will hamstring it. Because a refresh to Zen 3 offers no enhancement of value to a prospective budget-minded buyer today weighing the value of future upgrades. Spending $300 on a CPU today just so that you might spend just as much (or more) in six months for an incremental improvement to replace it exemplifies a fool's plan for future-proofing. Meanwhile, the Intel buyer's motherboard will be relevant for years and years as support for incoming upgrades. And since the 12600K is clobbering the 5800X on CPU-value today, that's just icing on the cake.

Let's say you have a 1600 or 2600 currently and you're looking at upgrading to Alder Lake. You're looking at a couple hundred for a motherboard, $130 for 16gb of ram, and $300ish for a 12600k vs what will probably be $300ish for the Ryzen 5 5600 refresh.
Will it the refresh be the top of the line performer? Absolutely not, but if you're coming from a 1600 or 2600 it will be a heck of an upgrade for 1/2 price.

 

[Madmick]

Let's say you have a 1600 or 2600 currently and you're looking at upgrading to Alder Lake. You're looking at a couple hundred for a motherboard, $130 for 16gb of ram, and $300ish for a 12600k vs what will probably be $300ish for the Ryzen 5 5600 refresh.
Will it the refresh be the top of the line performer? Absolutely not, but if you're coming from a 1600 or 2600 it will be a heck of an upgrade for 1/2 price.

That's a more interesting strategy, but first, it wades off into true bargain hunting because you're obviously not looking at shrinkwrapped units from traditional retailers.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/#F=78,79&sort=price&s=60
As you can see, the R5-1600 and R5-2600 both cost more today than their launch MSRPs. Shopping for Used, Open-Box, Trades, or "New" units from non-certified retailers (often shady Chinese shippers) that potentially don't even carry a warranty is an orange to this apple.

Besides, since AM4 is dead, all you're doing is buying a weaker CPU now with the intent to upgrade to a Zen 3 refresh later, and you don't even know yet what that CPU's performance will be. Not only is this a gamble, and the total cost unknown, but one may effectively count both CPU costs together. So now it's a 12700K or 12900K you're going up against. And, unlike this dual-CPU strategy, the latter Intel CPUs have upgrade potential everywhere else. IMO, it just makes more sense to look at the i3-10100F or i5-10400/10400F as budget options.

Second, more importantly, it concedes the central argument here that the R7-5800X is inferior to the 12600K as a purchase: even at Microcenter (because remember, the 5800X is $387 elsewhere atm).

 

[rob mafia]

lolz, we're back to arguing that paying a premium for mobo/ram/cooler is somehow a budget build?

so what if it has a higher TCO, amirite?

 

[Madmick]

And now Rob has conceded all his past arguments that dismissed these things were invalid.

Delicious.

 

[rob mafia]

And now Rob has conceded all his past arguments that dismissed these things were invalid.

Delicious.

WAT

can you cite one of these arguments? what did i say was invalid? ffs, "budget build" has been your argument, not mine.

lolz @ even talking shit, anymore after how badly you've been BTFO here.


facebook/meta kicks intel to the curb and buys up epyc. amd showcases milan-x, mi200, bridges, all the cache...

and here madmick is complaining about a budget build because he can't figure out which thread it is.