I'm pretty tired about hearing about race

[panamaican]

The difference between the behaviour of "whites" and "non-whites" is that it is the "whites" that are responsible for applying most of the negative stereotypes towards other whites.

While there were certainly some black people who went along and behaved towards other blacks in a racist manner (largely being pressured into doing so, by the majority), they were never the primary cause behind it. In the case of whites, it is not latinos or blacks or Asians, for the most part, mischaracterizing the "white" identity group, it is the white people themselves.

That's not a difference. It's the white who are responsible for applying most of the negative stereotypes towards non-whites as well.

The ability of the negative stereotypes to gain traction arises from the amount of non-white people who will agree, rightly or wrongly, with those stereotypes. When the amount of non-white people are small, there is little positive reinforcement to the stereotypes. When the amount is large, the amount of reinforcement grows. But it still requires the majority population's participation to apply them.

White Americans aren't stereotyping "whites" any differently than non-whites have done in the past, they simply have the numbers to make those stereotypes stick. You need large numbers of people in agreement for the stereotypes to have an audience but you also need a dominant population group to spread the stereotypes. So, it's something of a feedback loop.

It's part of why black America can't fight it's negative stereotypes - they lack the cultural dominance to broadcast a counter message effectively. No matter how many people might say that the stereotypes are inaccurate, if you can't spread your message effectively it doesn't matter.

And in this sense, whites stereotyping other whites isn't a divergence. They decide the stereotypes of the various groups and they broadcast them. It's their cultural position that allows their choice of stereotypes to stick to everyone, white, black, Asian, etc.

 

[goldennirvana]

Well get used to it, because that's what diversity brings: a never-ending talk/debate/argument about race. And it's only going to get worse.

The worst part? It's all avoidable.

 

[Seano]

One way or another, I'm tired of it.

I'm tired of it as a way for white progressives to sprinkle meaning and importance into their writing/art without having to say anything.

I'm tired of seeing it brought up as a lens through which to critique society.

I'm tired of people using it to justify this action, explain that action, or anything of that nature.

I accept, as pretty much obvious, that systemic racism exists. But I would hazard to guess that thinking "racially" is a poison.

I'm brown.

I learned in adulthood, that my ethnicity doesn't really define me, and it only goes so far in describing how I relate to the world, wish to relate to the world, and strive to exist in the world.

"Fuck your ethnicity"

Everyone is tired of it. Its our elected officials that keep racism alive. Demand they stop.

 

[Seano]

That's not a difference. It's the white who are responsible for applying most of the negative stereotypes towards non-whites as well.

The ability of the negative stereotypes to gain traction arises from the amount of non-white people who will agree, rightly or wrongly, with those stereotypes. When the amount of non-white people are small, there is little positive reinforcement to the stereotypes. When the amount is large, the amount of reinforcement grows. But it still requires the majority population's participation to apply them.

White Americans aren't stereotyping "whites" any differently than non-whites have done in the past, they simply have the numbers to make those stereotypes stick. You need large numbers of people in agreement for the stereotypes to have an audience but you also need a dominant population group to spread the stereotypes. So, it's something of a feedback loop.

It's part of why black America can't fight it's negative stereotypes - they lack the cultural dominance to broadcast a counter message effectively. No matter how many people might say that the stereotypes are inaccurate, if you can't spread your message effectively it doesn't matter.

And in this sense, whites stereotyping other whites isn't a divergence. They decide the stereotypes of the various groups and they broadcast them. It's their cultural position that allows their choice of stereotypes to stick to everyone, white, black, Asian, etc.

Why is it only white people that get called out for using stereotypes and other forms of racism?

 

[panamaican]

Why is it only white people that get called out for using stereotypes and other forms of racism?

They're not the only ones. But the effects of racism from the dominant identity group has greater impact than the effects from some random individual. And so it's gets more attention when the guy in the CEO's office says something racist than when the guy in the mail room does.

 

[44nutman]

So Sick of hearing about race, starts a thread about it.

 

[Seano]

They're not the only ones. But the effects of racism from the dominant identity group has greater impact than the effects from some random individual. And so it's gets more attention when the guy in the CEO's office says something racist than when the guy in the mail room does.

But the problem is that you just spent 5 or 6 paragraphs pointing out how white people are the problem. Frankly, I find that mentality to be the problem in this country. Throw the blame around equally. Be honest about everyone, the good and the bad. You ignore the growing trend of white shaming and guilt. You ignore the problems among minorities with their culture. You ignore the politicians who perpetuate these problems for political gain.

At some point, you have to look at all the symptoms if you want to cure the disease. White people aren't the problem today. Politicians are. White people have been standing up for minorities since the civil war. Saying otherwise is enforcing a stereotype.

 

[HomeCheese]

One way or another, I'm tired of it.

I'm tired of it as a way for white progressives to sprinkle meaning and importance into their writing/art without having to say anything.

I'm tired of seeing it brought up as a lens through which to critique society.

I'm tired of people using it to justify this action, explain that action, or anything of that nature.

I accept, as pretty much obvious, that systemic racism exists. But I would hazard to guess that thinking "racially" is a poison.

I'm brown.

I learned in adulthood, that my ethnicity doesn't really define me, and it only goes so far in describing how I relate to the world, wish to relate to the world, and strive to exist in the world.

"Fuck your ethnicity"

HAHA! I totally agree. I grew up in the 1970's in Berkeley, CA and we had all these same race discussions way back then. We had mandatory bussing and I was attending a school in a predominately black area when the original Roots was on TV. It was pre cable days, there were like 7 choices of what to watch so everyone was watching it. It has really surprised me to have it all back again, it's like I stepped out of a time warp.

 

[Seano]

They're not the only ones. But the effects of racism from the dominant identity group has greater impact than the effects from some random individual. And so it's gets more attention when the guy in the CEO's office says something racist than when the guy in the mail room does.

The "dominant" is stereotypical. Do you believe that the majority of white people hate minorities?

 

[panamaican]

But the problem is that you just spent 5 or 6 paragraphs pointing out how white people are the problem. Frankly, I find that mentality to be the problem in this country. Throw the blame around equally. Be honest about everyone, the good and the bad. You ignore the growing trend of white shaming and guilt. You ignore the problems among minorities with their culture. You ignore the politicians who perpetuate these problems for political gain.

At some point, you have to look at all the symptoms if you want to cure the disease. White people aren't the problem today. Politicians are. White people have been standing up for minorities since the civil war. Saying otherwise is enforcing a stereotype.

That's actually not what I did. What I did was write that "white" is gaining a negative stereotype, similar to "black" and how white people are responding to that is similar to how black people respond to it. Then someone (not me, someone else) said that the difference is that white people are responsible for the negative stereotypes being directed against white people and black people are not responsible for the negative stereotypes being directed against black people. I responded that there actually isn't a difference because white people are responsible for both sets of negative stereotypes, those against white people and those against black.

That you missed that entire conversation and only read something about excusing non-white racism is pretty shocking. I didn't say anything about non-white racism against white people. A different person said that the cause of the increased anti-white racism is white people. That was not my statement so perhaps you should direct your misunderstanding of our conversation to him and not me.

 

[panamaican]

The "dominant" is stereotypical. Do you believe that the majority of white people hate minorities?

Dominant is not stereotypical. It's a word that has meaning. I can't be responsible for your inability to discuss things at a conceptual level. Nor can I hold your hand while you struggle with the theoretical and immediately jump to the misapplication of the practical.

 

[Seano]

That's actually not what I did. What I did was write that "white" is gaining a negative stereotype, similar to "black" and how white people are responding to that is similar to how black people respond to it. Then someone (not me, someone else) said that the difference is that white people are responsible for the negative stereotypes being directed against white people and black people nor responsible for the negative stereotypes being directed against black people. I responded that there actually isn't a difference because white people are responsible for both sets of negative stereotypes, those against white people and those against black.

That you missed that entire conversation and only read something about excusing non-white racism is pretty shocking. I didn't say anything about non-white racism against white people. A different person said that the cause of the increased anti-white racism is white people. That was not my statement so perhaps you should direct your misunderstanding of our conversation to him and not me.

I just find it ironic. It seemed like you were applying a stereotype yourself.

It's the white who are responsible for applying most of the negative stereotypes towards non-whites as well.

Damn all those whites!

If you say I misread it, fine.

 

[ToxicShocker]

Big ups to Trotsky for working the word Fungible into a conversation

 

[Seano]

Dominant is not stereotypical. It's a word that has meaning. I can't be responsible for your inability to discuss things at a conceptual level. Nor can I hold your hand while you struggle with the theoretical and immediately jump to the misapplication of the practical.

Of course it is. When you apply a label like "the dominant" it doesn't distinguish that you're talking about a small % of "the dominant." All of "the dominant" get the blame for it. The dominant includes the Grand Dragon of the KKK and my 11 year old daughter. There is a distinction.

 

[panamaican]

I just find it ironic. It seemed like you were applying a stereotype yourself.

Damn all those whites!

If you say I misread it, fine.

I'm going to dispense with polite phrases. I think you're ignorant. And you try to cover your ignorance of complex subjects by appealing to race victimization.

Rather that educate yourself and struggle with understanding deep topics, you externalize your intellectual failings by assigning a simplistic explanation.

Much like primitive man assign a change in the weather to pissing off an unknown but all powerful deity. He can't understand climates and seasons and so seeks an explanation that makes the difficult and unknown more palatable. It's disappointing but not surprising.

 

[Seano]

I'm going to dispense with polite phrases. I think you're ignorant. And you try to cover your ignorance of complex subjects by appealing to race victimization.

Rather that educate yourself and struggle with understanding deep topics, you externalize your intellectual failings by assigning a simplistic explanation.

Much like primitive man assign a change in the weather to pissing off an unknown but all powerful deity. He can't understand climates and seasons and so seeks an explanation that makes the difficult and unknown more palatable. It's disappointing but not surprising.

I'm commenting on that one post. Insult me if you want, I'm still only commenting on that post.

 

[panamaican]

Of course it is. When you apply a label like "the dominant" it doesn't distinguish that you're talking about a small % of "the dominant." All of "the dominant" get the blame for it. The dominant includes the Grand Dragon of the KKK and my 11 year old daughter. There is a distinction.

No dummy. Dominant in Mexico does not include the Grand Dragon of the KKK. Dominant in Japan does not either. Dominant in Panama doesn't. Dominant in Greece, Germany, Russia, doesn't either.

See my above post for why I shouldn't have stopped ignoring you.

 

[panamaican]

I'm commenting on that one post. Insult me if you want, I'm still only commenting on that post.

I'm giving you my assessment of your overall posting. This one post is consistent with that.

 

[Seano]

I'm giving you my assessment of your overall posting. This one post is consistent with that.

Stop being pissy.

 

[lifelessheap]

MLK is rolling in his grave.