I'm pretty tired about hearing about race

[Letssnuggle]

I wish it were the 80’s again. Blacks had sweet ass flat tops, whites had like lines etched on the sides with badass rat tails, Asians were just doing what they do and being Asian.

Those were the days.

 

[Letssnuggle]

Oh and Arsenio Hall rocking it. The dog pound has been replaced with the freaking snowflake pound.

 

[Ultra O’Dia]

I'm going to dispense with polite phrases. I think you're ignorant. And you try to cover your ignorance of complex subjects by appealing to race victimization.

Rather that educate yourself and struggle with understanding deep topics, you externalize your intellectual failings by assigning a simplistic explanation.

Much like primitive man assign a change in the weather to pissing off an unknown but all powerful deity. He can't understand climates and seasons and so seeks an explanation that makes the difficult and unknown more palatable. It's disappointing but not surprising.

douche.

 

[TheGreatA]

That's not a difference. It's the white who are responsible for applying most of the negative stereotypes towards non-whites as well.

The ability of the negative stereotypes to gain traction arises from the amount of non-white people who will agree, rightly or wrongly, with those stereotypes. When the amount of non-white people are small, there is little positive reinforcement to the stereotypes. When the amount is large, the amount of reinforcement grows. But it still requires the majority population's participation to apply them.

White Americans aren't stereotyping "whites" any differently than non-whites have done in the past, they simply have the numbers to make those stereotypes stick. You need large numbers of people in agreement for the stereotypes to have an audience but you also need a dominant population group to spread the stereotypes. So, it's something of a feedback loop.

It's part of why black America can't fight it's negative stereotypes - they lack the cultural dominance to broadcast a counter message effectively. No matter how many people might say that the stereotypes are inaccurate, if you can't spread your message effectively it doesn't matter.

And in this sense, whites stereotyping other whites isn't a divergence. They decide the stereotypes of the various groups and they broadcast them. It's their cultural position that allows their choice of stereotypes to stick to everyone, white, black, Asian, etc.

How is it not different when it is so obviously different? You are simply stating the reasons for why their behaviour diverges from other ethnic groups.

What you were originally claiming is that white people are settling down to being just another ethnic group, feeling the effects of that as other ethnic groups have felt before them. But obviously the "mischaracterization" and stereotyping of whites has nothing to do with racism by blacks or Asians or latinos or Muslims directed at white people. It is more of an internal "white people" thing. What is happening, is not the result of a loss of authority, because as you say, the authority to decide stereotypes still largely remains in the hands of "whites" in America. That situation has not changed, even if other ethnic groups have gained power over the years.

That makes it, obviously, different from the stereotyping experienced by ethnic groups at the hands of another ethnic group. An "in-group" discriminating against itself is different from one in-group discriminating another in-group, no matter how you look at it.

 

[panamaican]

How is it not different when it is so obviously different? You are simply stating the reasons for why their behaviour diverges from other ethnic groups.

Black people don't promulgate the stereotypes against black people. White people do. And, as you noted, it's white people who are promulgating the stereotypes against white people. So, in both cases, it's the majority white population who are mostly responsible for pushing these stereotypes into the mainstream conversation. That is why it is not different.

The majority of the racist organizations are populated by white people. The majority of research in the social justice space is also done by white people. The majority of the anti-immigrant population are white, the majority of the critics of anti-immigration policies are also white.

The majority of these race based conversations are being held between white people and other white peoples. Non-white people are chiming in with either support for one group of white people or support for the other group. But they don't set or push the agenda. White people are making the laws and enforcing them. They own the media and drive the daily stories. This is their conversation - whether it's about minority stereotypes or it's about white stereotypes. There's nothing unreasonable about that, they make up the majority of the population and you cannot have a conversation, of any type,unless the majority of the population is willing to have it.

I'm making an observation, I'm not passing judgment on it.

Just saw your edit:

Johnny calls Luke names. Then Johnny calls Lucy names. Then Johnny calls Johnny names. You're saying the situations are different because Luke, Lucy, and Johnny are all different people. And Luke and lucy aren't calling themselves names while Johnny is calling himself names. I'm saying they're the same because the theme is that Johnny calls people names. Johnny is calling everyone, including himself, names.

You can disagree with that perspective.

 

[Pessimystic]

Lol, join the club.
Nothing but bitch, bitch, bitch.

 

[TheGreatA]

Black people don't promulgate the stereotypes against black people. White people do. And, as you noted, it's white people who are promulgating the stereotypes against white people. So, in both cases, it's the majority white population who are mostly responsible for pushing these stereotypes into the mainstream conversation. That is why it is not different.

The majority of the racist organizations are populated by white people. The majority of research in the social justice space is also done by white people. The majority of the anti-immigrant population are white, the majority of the critics of anti-immigration policies are also white.

The majority of these race based conversations are being held between white people and other white peoples. Non-white people are chiming in with either support for one group of white people or support for the other group. But they don't set or push the agenda. White people are making the laws and enforcing them. They own the media and drive the daily stories. This is their conversation - whether it's about minority stereotypes or it's about white stereotypes. There's nothing unreasonable about that, they make up the majority of the population and you cannot have a conversation, of any type,unless the majority of the population is willing to have it.

I'm making an observation, I'm not passing judgment on it.

Just saw your edit:

Johnny calls Luke names. Then Johnny calls Lucy names. Then Johnny calls Johnny names. You're saying the situations are different because Luke, Lucy, and Johnny are all different people. And Luke and lucy aren't calling themselves names while Johnny is calling himself names. I'm saying they're the same because the theme is that Johnny calls people names. Johnny is calling everyone, including himself, names.

You can disagree with that perspective.

Johnny calling Johnny names is different from Johnny calling Lucy names, because Johnny calling Johnny names is an exercise of self-loathing, while Johnny calling Lucy names, is bullying. That's where the difference lies.

Criticism of the self greatly differs from criticism of the other. However, in the case of most "whites" making such a criticism, the criticism is not truly directed at the self, but another group of "whites" elsewhere, whom you deem distant enough from yourself to feel confident in freely stereotyping and generalizing, for example a New York white making a stereotype about a white "redneck", or vice versa, on a racial basis.

In any case you've basically argued against your original point, which was to state that the effects of white people feeling discriminated, is the result of a loss of their authority over other ethnicities, which is not exactly true. They still possess the authority, they're simply directing its discriminatory force against themselves. Other ethnicities and their gains of power, as well as their increased ability to discriminate, has very little to do with it.

This has very little or nothing to do with whites feeling the pressure of discrimination by other growing ethnicities, and they should really be left out of this conversation as not bearing any, or atleast very little part. The "guilt", if one wishes to call it that, lies in the white people themselves. The discrimination that they feel, is of their own making.

 

[12ga.]

I'm brown and have mixed feelings. You should call out racism if you see it but sometimes I think its to keep poor masses fighting each other instead of who's really screwing them over in power.

"
Behind the rhetoric of the “alt-right” about white nativism and protecting American traditions, history and Christian values is the lust for violence. Behind the rhetoric of antifa, the Black Bloc and the so-called “alt-left” about capitalism, racism, state repression and corporate power is the same lust for violence.

The two opposing groups, largely made up of people who have been cast aside by the cruelty of corporate capitalism, have embraced holy war. Their lives, battered by economic misery and social marginalization, have suddenly been filled with meaning. They hold themselves up as the vanguard of the oppressed. They arrogate to themselves the right to use force to silence those they define as the enemy. They sanctify anger. They are infected with the dark, adrenaline-driven urge for confrontation that arises among the disenfranchised when a democracy ceases to function. They are separated, as Sigmund Freud wrote of those who engage in fratricide, by the “narcissism of minor differences.” They mirror each other, not only ideologically but also physically—armed and dressed in black, the color of fascism and the color of death.

It was inevitable that we would reach this point. The corporate state has seized and corrupted all democratic institutions, including the two main political parties, to serve the interests of corporate power and maximize global corporate profits. There is no justice in the courts. There is no possibility for reform in the legislative bodies. The executive branch is a dysfunctional mess headed by a narcissistic kleptocrat, con artist and pathological liar. Money has replaced the vote. The consent of the governed is a joke. Our most basic constitutional rights, including the rights to privacy and due process, have been taken from us by judicial fiat. The economically marginalized, now a majority of the country, have been rendered invisible by a corporate media dominated by highly paid courtiers spewing out meaningless political and celebrity gossip and trivia as if it were news. The corporate state, unimpeded, is pillaging and looting the carcass of the country and government, along with the natural world, for the personal gain of the 1 percent. It daily locks away in cages the poor, especially poor people of color, discarding the vulnerable as human refuse."

more here

https://www.exopermaculture.com/201...ty-politics-alt-left-alt-right-lust-violence/


Bottom line - This identity politics and clashes divide the underclass. They divert activists from threatening the actual structures of power. The powers that be love it. Thats why their media cover it non stop. Go to Breitbart "Muslim rape" gangs you'd think are behind every coner. If you go to MSNBC all republicans are in the Klan.

 

[panamaican]

Johnny calling Johnny names is different from Johnny calling Lucy names, because Johnny calling Johnny names is an exercise of self-loathing, while Johnny calling Lucy names, is bullying. That's where the difference lies.

We really can't go further than this because it's inaccurate. Johnny calling Johnny names is only different from Johnny calling Lucy names if you start with the premise that one cannot observe negative characteristics within oneself.

Let's say Johnny sees Lucy not working hard and says "Lucy is lazy." Then Johnny assesses his own work and finds that he is not working that hard either so he says "I, Johnny, am lazy." Maybe Johnny is just being honest about what he observes and is not excluding himself from his assessments.

A big problem would be if both Johnny and Lucy don't work hard and Johnny says "Lucy is lazy but I am fine." That would be self-deluding.

 

[Pessimystic]

I'm brown and have mixed feelings. You should call out racism if you see it but sometimes I think its to keep poor masses fighting each other instead of who's really screwing them over in power.

"
Behind the rhetoric of the “alt-right” about white nativism and protecting American traditions, history and Christian values is the lust for violence. Behind the rhetoric of antifa, the Black Bloc and the so-called “alt-left” about capitalism, racism, state repression and corporate power is the same lust for violence.

The two opposing groups, largely made up of people who have been cast aside by the cruelty of corporate capitalism, have embraced holy war. Their lives, battered by economic misery and social marginalization, have suddenly been filled with meaning. They hold themselves up as the vanguard of the oppressed. They arrogate to themselves the right to use force to silence those they define as the enemy. They sanctify anger. They are infected with the dark, adrenaline-driven urge for confrontation that arises among the disenfranchised when a democracy ceases to function. They are separated, as Sigmund Freud wrote of those who engage in fratricide, by the “narcissism of minor differences.” They mirror each other, not only ideologically but also physically—armed and dressed in black, the color of fascism and the color of death.

It was inevitable that we would reach this point. The corporate state has seized and corrupted all democratic institutions, including the two main political parties, to serve the interests of corporate power and maximize global corporate profits. There is no justice in the courts. There is no possibility for reform in the legislative bodies. The executive branch is a dysfunctional mess headed by a narcissistic kleptocrat, con artist and pathological liar. Money has replaced the vote. The consent of the governed is a joke. Our most basic constitutional rights, including the rights to privacy and due process, have been taken from us by judicial fiat. The economically marginalized, now a majority of the country, have been rendered invisible by a corporate media dominated by highly paid courtiers spewing out meaningless political and celebrity gossip and trivia as if it were news. The corporate state, unimpeded, is pillaging and looting the carcass of the country and government, along with the natural world, for the personal gain of the 1 percent. It daily locks away in cages the poor, especially poor people of color, discarding the vulnerable as human refuse."

more here

https://www.exopermaculture.com/201...ty-politics-alt-left-alt-right-lust-violence/


Bottom line - This identity politics and clashes divide the underclass. They divert activists from threatening the actual structures of power. The powers that be love it. Thats why their media cover it non stop. Go to Breitbart "Muslim rape" gangs you'd think are behind every coner. If you go to MSNBC all republicans are in the Klan.

Solid post.
TPTB know that humans have a hardwired tendency to tribalism along with the tendency to externalize their fears and mistrust towards others and they know how to exploit it.
The media is the main driving force behind this. You cannot go a single day without the media attempting to shake the racial hornet's nest.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Heres a good video about race you guys should see.

 

[Don Quixote]

I like reading about Egyptology, but the comments section about this topic in every video, article has been plagued about race for years, and about what race where the Egyptians?, or what race was Tutankhamun?

 

[WhiteMousse]

Speaking and acting in a way completely devoid of any kind of constrictions on the basis of race of political correctness is remarkably refreshing.

 

[BEER]

if the left don't stop with this identity politics bullshit, all whites are racist etc, they'll find in 20 years time whites will be racist. Its a self fulfilling prophecy just waiting to happen.

I don't know about you bud, but no matter how often I hear about white people being racist (surprisingly little... guess I don't seek it out), I won't just end up racist.

That's one of the dumbest lines of logic I've ever heard. Someone could call me a Nazi 20 times a day for the rest of my life and I'd never become a Nazi. If you blame people calling you racist for "becoming" racist, you were probably racist all along.

 

[WhiteMousse]

I don't know about you bud, but no matter how often I hear about white people being racist (surprisingly little... guess I don't seek it out), I won't just end up racist.

That's one of the dumbest lines of logic I've ever heard. Someone could call me a Nazi 20 times a day for the rest of my life and I'd never become a Nazi. If you blame people calling you racist for "becoming" racist, you were probably racist all along.

Yeah I think he just misspoke.

I think what he's trying to say is this-- and I say this because this is true of me.

Every time someone accuses me of being a racist, I care less and less whether I'm being perceived as racist. I'm not a racist. I'm white. That doesn't make me a racist. But everything I do is brought into analysis under the assumption that it must be racist, so of course they'll read racism into whatever I say or do.

And when people try to defend themselves, they get even nastier. "I'm not racist."

"OMFG I can't even, how blind can you be you fucking CIS White male".

So I just don't care. I criticize stupid decisions, culture, clothes and people. And if someone says I'm a racist, I don't care. The word has lost almost all meaning anyway.

 

[chubbman]

Yeah I think he just misspoke.

I think what he's trying to say is this-- and I say this because this is true of me.

Every time someone accuses me of being a racist, I care less and less whether I'm being perceived as racist. I'm not a racist. I'm white. That doesn't make me a racist. But everything I do is brought into analysis under the assumption that it must be racist, so of course they'll read racism into whatever I say or do.

And when people try to defend themselves, they get even nastier. "I'm not racist."

"OMFG I can't even, how blind can you be you fucking CIS White male".

So I just don't care. I criticize stupid decisions, culture, clothes and people. And if someone says I'm a racist, I don't care. The word has lost almost all meaning anyway.

You did put it much better than me... the I hear “white, cis male racist blah blah the more I just don’t care about the plight of these people.

 

[WhiteMousse]

You did put it much better than me... the I hear “white, cis male racist blah blah the more I just don’t care about the plight of these people.

At its very base level, it's a matter of crying wolf.

It may sound like an oversimplification of the matter, but it's not. It's a fundamental understanding of it. People are crying over something that is not dangerous.

The "wolf" certainly exists, but it's not to be found in the kinds of situations being showcased today. Look at the Megyn Kelly thing where she was talking about people dressing up with the blackface getup.

I don't like her but I don't think she should have been fired for that. You have to be allowed to discuss things. She asked questions that really merit being asked. Assume her opinion is wrong, fine. So explain it to her. Argue with her. Trade information with her. You might learn something, and so might she.

But that's not how we do things. We shit ourselves and cry and use the most extreme, outlandish language we can find, in a race to see who can be the most compassionate and righteously indignant.

There are then, two different kinds of people in this world- the drama queen pussies who eat it up and work themselves into a froth and, the ones who have actual jobs and lives and experience actual pain, who are getting increasingly annoyed with the crybabies.

To wrap up the sentiment with the established analogy, the whining shepherd should then be concerned not so much with the wolf as with the other shepherds beating the ever loving fuck out of him.

 

[Pessimystic]

I wish it were the 80’s again. Blacks had sweet ass flat tops, whites had like lines etched on the sides with badass rat tails, Asians were just doing what they do and being Asian.

Those were the days.

Fuckin A

 

[BEER]

Yeah I think he just misspoke.

I think what he's trying to say is this-- and I say this because this is true of me.

Every time someone accuses me of being a racist, I care less and less whether I'm being perceived as racist. I'm not a racist. I'm white. That doesn't make me a racist. But everything I do is brought into analysis under the assumption that it must be racist, so of course they'll read racism into whatever I say or do.

And when people try to defend themselves, they get even nastier. "I'm not racist."

"OMFG I can't even, how blind can you be you fucking CIS White male".

So I just don't care. I criticize stupid decisions, culture, clothes and people. And if someone says I'm a racist, I don't care. The word has lost almost all meaning anyway.

He didn't misspeak. I could see the confusion if he didn't end the post with "self-fulfilling prophecy". He is literally saying that if people keep calling white people racist, white people will become racist.

 

[Captain Davis]

I just wish everyone would respect one another and exercise personal responsibility. The rest will take care of itself.