Illa saying what I've been saying

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Ilia Topuria calls for UFC rule change to eradicate what Joe Rogan’s calls the ‘worst aspect' of MMA

Ilia Topuria has a plan to elimate weight cutting...

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It's fucking stupid that super healthy guys weigh between 190 and 200 pounds dehydrated themselves and diminish their abilities to weigh 155 pounds just to have both guys weigh close basically 180 pounds when they actually fight. (I'm looking directly at you Islam and his short notice opponent in his last fight. I don't want to misspell his name). It's fucking stupid.

Control weight cutting. Just have the drug testers bring a scale with them. Illa says if you with heavier than 10% of your fighting class then your should move up. I'm more of a sliding scale. The heavier the class the more leeway should be given in my opinion. But if you weigh 230 pounds in shape out of camp you shouldn't be fighting at 185. Should be 205 or a damn HW. You shouldn't be breaking 170 pounds on the scale EVER and fight at 135. (I'm looking directly at Sean O'Malley and the 135 GOAT Cruz)

I never understood why people shit in Kelvin Gastelum. 185 IS HIS NATURAL WEIGHT. He doesn't want to destroy his kidneys to be aesthetically pleasing. He wants to be the most efficient fighter he could be and that was at 185 not 170. Everytime he made 170 he missed or had diminished results.

I'm a huge Jon Jones fan but his average in cage weight won't fighting at 205 was 227-232 pounds. That's a HW in my book.

For background in weighed 173 and wrestled 189 and I was so extremely successful at it. So I might be bias but I also truly believe that forcing further UP a weight class would make for better fights.

I'll get off my soapbox. Agree or disagree?

I fucking miss open weight fights.

 

[Jackonfire]

Illia? The 180lb FW champ?

 

[nostradumbass]

Ilia's one of the biggest weight cutters in the UFC, and now that he wants to move up, suddenly he doesn't want anyone bigger than him allowed to cut weight like he did.

 

[Mr. Snrub]

This whole time I was led to believe that the UFC was an acronym for Ultimate Weight Cutting Championship.

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

Umm I don't think Makhachev is super healthy at 190-200lbs lol. Probably at 170. Look what Khabib looks like at 200lbs, most guys are at least a bit overweight when they are around 200lbs. Unless they are half decently tall that is.

 

[188912345]

It would be extremely difficult to compete at the lower weightclasses without cutting weight.

Also, why do you mention Sean O'Malley?
You know there's a difference between being tall and being big, right?
If I recall correctly O'Malley is around 160 lbs in his normal life, he's built like a stick and would be too small for FW.

 

[Thy]

They should just get rid of weight classes to encourage little people to grow taller.

 

[humdizzle]

it will never happen

too much legacy built into the divisions.

you would create multiple '2 division champs' and have champions comparing themselves to previous ones. Merab moved up to LW "you know when i put on this belt i see all the greats who came before me in this division like khabib, frankie edgar, bj penn"

 

[rjmbrd]

I never understood why people shit in Kelvin Gastelum. 185 IS HIS NATURAL WEIGHT. He doesn't want to destroy his kidneys to be aesthetically pleasing. He wants to be the most efficient fighter he could be and that was at 185 not 170. Everytime he made 170 he missed or had diminished results.

Because he's visibly overweight at middleweight.

This is a bad example to pick, his problem is not cutting water, Kelvin lacks food discipline. His career has been a disaster.

 

[Kwic]

Ilia looks small at 145, how the hell does he cut so much weight.
His bones must be made of steel, thus KO power.

 

[UWPguy]

While I generally hate the politics of California, one thing I like about what they do is require fight night weigh-ins. I think all states should do that and we'd have a lot more info on actual competition weights instead of speculation or what the fighters say which may be inaccurate at times.

I do agree that there needs to be some limit on weight cutting but where do we set that limit? A percent of body weight? Hydration tests? Does body fat % play into this at all? Beyond that, some guys can cut weight better/safer than others.

And Kelvin is a bad example as others have mentioned. Guy showed up shredded in his first fight post UFC against Brian Melancon and he wrecked Melancon in the first round. That disciplined Kelvin easily could have been champ post GSP but he likes to eat too much and his mother making him 2 or 3 super burritos a day doesn't help.

 

[jeff7b9]

Control weight cutting.

how?

Just have the drug testers bring a scale with them.

who is paying for this?

Who is buying the scales?
Who is monitoring them? Testing them? Zeroing them out etc?

whatever other additional costs... More employees, more paperwork, etc, who is paying for that?

Illa says if you with heavier than 10% of your fighting class then your should move up.

So literally everyone. You are getting into OneFC territory here. Do i have to post the MMA on Point video about how much of a massive failure that was and how it is actually more dangerous?

So everyone who gets caught weighing 10% over, aka early every single fighter on the roster has to move up, and then what? They bulk up again, and they are still cutting weight but now just carrying around extra mass year round?

Or... you have guys dehydrated year round, training and sparring dehydrated... running away from testers or otherwise doing what every athlete ever has done which is to seek every possible competitive advantage possible even at the cost of their long term health which they have always and will always do.

I'll get off my soapbox.

good idea, unless you have any realistic and actually possible solutions which are vetted and not the same rehashed bad ideas.

I will give you benefit of the doubt that your heart is probably in the right place but this is screaming out as a case of "we need to TO SOMETHING" without having actually thought the situation through to verify that the thing you wish to do is actually going to result in any sort of improvement whatsoever

Agree or disagree?

Disagree.

Illia? The 180lb FW champ

Bingo


"Hey everybody, you guys are a bunch of fucking idiots.

I'm not though. Even when I am doing the same thing, just so we are clear on that."

it will never happen

 

[treelo]

how?



who is paying for this?

scales?

whatever other additional costs? More paperwork, etc




So literally everyone. You sre getting into OneFC territory here. Do i have to post the MMA on Point video about how much of a massive failure that was and how it is actually more dangerous?




good idea, unless you have any realistic and actually poasible solutions which sre vetted and not the same rehashed bad ideas

Disagree.


Bingo


"Hey everybody, you guys are a bunch of fucking idiots.

I'm not though. Even when I am doing the same thing, just so we are clear on that."

same day weigh ins

there you go

 

[jeff7b9]

same day weigh ins

there you go

Dehydrated fighters getting brain damage.

More CTE, more early onset dementia and parkinsons.
Maybe even the first death as a result of a UFC fight.


What other bad ideas have you got?

 

[Thepaintbucket]

These guys aren't gaining 29% back after rehydration. Cmon lol. 185 is definitely doable tho at 155

 

[treelo]

Dehydrated fighters getting brain damage.

More CTE, more early onset dementia and parkinsons.
Maybe even the first death as a result of a UFC fight.


What other bad ideas have you got?

you want a solution to stop fighters dehydrating themselves?

let a few of them die, it will soon stop

 

[Shane-O-Mac]

a debate as old as time


spoiler: nothing's changing!

 

[jeff7b9]

you want a solution to stop fighters dehydrating themselves?

When/where did I say that?

let a few of them die, it will soon stop

They did. Weight cutting is still here

ONE Championship Fighter Yang Jian Bing Dies Following Failed Weight Cut

Tragedy befell ONE Championship on Friday, as 21-year-old Chinese fighter Yang Jian Bing died following complications due to an unsuccessful weight cut. “There is nothing more profoundly tragic and sad than when a member of the ONE Championship family, current or past, passes away. Yang...

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[GluttonforPunishment]

Illia? The 180lb FW champ?

Lmao. Fitting.

 

[treelo]

When/where did I say that?



They did. Weight cutting is still here

ONE Championship Fighter Yang Jian Bing Dies Following Failed Weight Cut

Tragedy befell ONE Championship on Friday, as 21-year-old Chinese fighter Yang Jian Bing died following complications due to an unsuccessful weight cut. “There is nothing more profoundly tragic and sad than when a member of the ONE Championship family, current or past, passes away. Yang...

sports.yahoo.com

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