Illa saying what I've been saying

[jeff7b9]

right here

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That's quite an interpretation sir.

That's looks to me like I asked someone to defend their proposition with an actual solution.

(Preferably one that hasn't already be established as a bad idea, as the rest of my post goes on to outline)

 

[MDoza]

Lmao so immediately after he jumps to LW because he can’t make FW anymore, he wants to change weight cutting rules?

 

[jeff7b9]

Lmao so immediately after he jumps to LW because he can’t make FW anymore, he wants to change weight cutting rules?

And by his own rules HE would have to move up to 170.

180lbs, his walk around weight is > 10% over 155


(Edit- maybe that's OPs rules. Can't tell because he says
" Ilia is saying what he has been saying " then says that... so )

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Ilia Topuria calls for UFC rule change to eradicate what Joe Rogan’s calls the ‘worst aspect' of MMA

Ilia Topuria has a plan to elimate weight cutting...

bloodyelbow.com

It's fucking stupid that super healthy guys weigh between 190 and 200 pounds dehydrated themselves and diminish their abilities to weigh 155 pounds just to have both guys weigh close basically 180 pounds when they actually fight. (I'm looking directly at you Islam and his short notice opponent in his last fight. I don't want to misspell his name). It's fucking stupid.

Control weight cutting. Just have the drug testers bring a scale with them. Illa says if you with heavier than 10% of your fighting class then your should move up. I'm more of a sliding scale. The heavier the class the more leeway should be given in my opinion. But if you weigh 230 pounds in shape out of camp you shouldn't be fighting at 185. Should be 205 or a damn HW. You shouldn't be breaking 170 pounds on the scale EVER and fight at 135. (I'm looking directly at Sean O'Malley and the 135 GOAT Cruz)

I never understood why people shit in Kelvin Gastelum. 185 IS HIS NATURAL WEIGHT. He doesn't want to destroy his kidneys to be aesthetically pleasing. He wants to be the most efficient fighter he could be and that was at 185 not 170. Everytime he made 170 he missed or had diminished results.

I'm a huge Jon Jones fan but his average in cage weight won't fighting at 205 was 227-232 pounds. That's a HW in my book.

For background in weighed 173 and wrestled 189 and I was so extremely successful at it. So I might be bias but I also truly believe that forcing further UP a weight class would make for better fights.

I'll get off my soapbox. Agree or disagree?

I fucking miss open weight fights.

Disagree.

"Kelvin Gastelum........185 is his natural weight"

Easy with the capital letters, it's like screaming on the internet. What do you mean by natural weight? That is a meaningless term if everybody else is cutting weight. What I will say is that Kelvin belongs at WW. He ate himself out of WW and was an undersized MW. He has now eaten himself into somewhat of a normal MW. He's too small next to guys like DDP and when Poatan was the champ. If guys are cutting weight then in a ideal world, Kelvin belongs at WW.

"Every time he made 170 he missed or had diminished results."

Not true. He beat Hendricks, Story and Ellenberger at WW without "diminished results". The Story fight he won Performance of the Night.

 

[treelo]

That's quite an interpretation sir.

That's looks to me like I asked someone to defend their proposition with an actual solution.

(Preferably one that hasn't already be established as a bad idea, as the rest of my post goes on to outline)

you asked someone how they proposed to fix weight cutting

that isnt any sort of interpretation at all, you were asking for a solution

the question mark at the end of "how" is the biggie, you are asking for answers

 

[jeff7b9]

you asked someone how they proposed to fix weight cutting

Still waiting for any even mildly realistic propositions.

You are 0 for 1.

 

[ElLunico]

Ilia's one of the biggest weight cutters in the UFC, and now that he wants to move up, suddenly he doesn't want anyone bigger than him allowed to cut weight like he did.

Lol no way he's a big weight cutter. He doesn't even look big for FW. Max looked so much bigger than him.

 

[treelo]

Still waiting for any even mildly realistic propositions.

You are 0 for 1.

ok, here it is, stop it, same day weigh ins, i've already said it

just as an example, imagine saying to someone....if you take this pill, it wont kill you in 24 hours, but it may kill you in 6

how do you think people would react to that?

 

[jeff7b9]

This topic entertains me, it is one of a few topics that draw ignorance like bugs to a light, without fail. If you think you have an easy simple solution it is because you haven't thought things through, so consistently the most ignorant voices are the loudest.

 

[jeff7b9]

ok, here it is, stop it, same day weigh ins, i've already said it

just as an example, imagine saying to someone....if you take this pill, it wont kill you in 24 hours, but it may kill you in 6

how do you think people would react to that?

It was a bad idea the first time you said it, I explained why and you posted it again.


You are demonstrating an example of:

Inability to grasp reality
Failure to think the scenario thru to the most likely outcome


We already know fighters will willingly jeopardize their own health for an advantage to win.

You are proposing a "solution" that would result in increased harm.
Do you still not understand why that is dumb?



When I said that this topic brings forth the "We need to DO SOMETHING" knee jerk response in which people put forth an emotional reaction which clearly has not been thought all the way through, this is exactly what I am talking about

 

[treelo]

It was a bad idea the first time you said it, I explained why and you posted it again.


You are demonstrating an example of:

Inability to grasp reality
Failure to think the scenario thru to the most likely outcome

"through"

 

[rjmbrd]

Dehydrated fighters getting brain damage.

More CTE, more early onset dementia and parkinsons.
Maybe even the first death as a result of a UFC fight.


What other bad ideas have you got?

If you are unaware, the NCAA instituted common sense limits to weight cutting 20 years ago. This was in response to a string of student deaths. High schools adopted the same rules not long after.

It is simple, low cost and now several decades in practical use.

As a NCAA wrestler I was certified for the lowest weight class I should be eligible each season by a medical doctor at an annual physical. We were given a specific gravity test (urine) and weighed at the exam, and measured with a caliper. If you were dehydrated, you would retest.

There are various additional rules (and penalties) since my time, but the result as a practical matter is weight cutting injuries have all but disappeared.

This is and has been a solved problem for years. I'm afraid the UFC will wait for a horrific death to occur before implementing these basic measures.

 

[jeff7b9]

If you are unaware, the NCAA instituted common sense limits to weight cutting 20 years ago. This was in response to a string of student deaths. High schools adopted the same rules not long after.

It is simple, low cost and now several decades in practical use.

As a NCAA wrestler I was certified for the lowest weight class I should be eligible each season by a medical doctor at an annual physical. We were given a specific gravity test (urine) and weighed at the exam, and measured with a caliper. If you were dehydrated, you would retest.

There are various additional rules (and penalties) since my time, but the result as a practical matter is weight cutting injuries have all but disappeared.

This is and has been a solved problem for years. I'm afraid the UFC will wait for a horrific death to occur before implementing these basic measures.

And the method to circumvent the hydration testing is well known and had been for years and it is significantly MORE dangerous than normal weight cutting because it involves manipulation and depletion of electrolytes.






You go in the fail category.
I suggest you watch the video.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

It would be extremely difficult to compete at the lower weightclasses without cutting weight.

Also, why do you mention Sean O'Malley?
You know there's a difference between being tall and being big, right?
If I recall correctly O'Malley is around 160 lbs in his normal life, he's built like a stick and would be too small for FW.

Same argument for Bones, he’s not really a HW, he’s not in the best shape these days. He’s tall but, well he has the nickname Bonea for a reason

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Anything that might stop weight cutting I’m happy to hear about, we’d get way better fights to watch if we did.

 

[Alpha_T83]

I agree that weight cutting should be abolished. However, that would require changes that most people in the MMA community seem opposed to.

And Let's see what Topuria has to say when he cuts less weight and gets reality checked by bigger guys. I predict he goes back down to 145 after being humbled at 155.

 

[Dorkman]

He kind of loses the right to gripe about it after cutting huge weight to win the FW belt.

 

[rorschach51]

They should just get rid of weight classes to encourage little people to grow taller.

 

[goOb]

Ilia Topuria calls for UFC rule change to eradicate what Joe Rogan’s calls the ‘worst aspect' of MMA

Ilia Topuria has a plan to elimate weight cutting...

bloodyelbow.com

It's fucking stupid that super healthy guys weigh between 190 and 200 pounds dehydrated themselves and diminish their abilities to weigh 155 pounds just to have both guys weigh close basically 180 pounds when they actually fight. (I'm looking directly at you Islam and his short notice opponent in his last fight. I don't want to misspell his name). It's fucking stupid.

Control weight cutting. Just have the drug testers bring a scale with them. Illa says if you with heavier than 10% of your fighting class then your should move up. I'm more of a sliding scale. The heavier the class the more leeway should be given in my opinion. But if you weigh 230 pounds in shape out of camp you shouldn't be fighting at 185. Should be 205 or a damn HW. You shouldn't be breaking 170 pounds on the scale EVER and fight at 135. (I'm looking directly at Sean O'Malley and the 135 GOAT Cruz)

I never understood why people shit in Kelvin Gastelum. 185 IS HIS NATURAL WEIGHT. He doesn't want to destroy his kidneys to be aesthetically pleasing. He wants to be the most efficient fighter he could be and that was at 185 not 170. Everytime he made 170 he missed or had diminished results.

I'm a huge Jon Jones fan but his average in cage weight won't fighting at 205 was 227-232 pounds. That's a HW in my book.

For background in weighed 173 and wrestled 189 and I was so extremely successful at it. So I might be bias but I also truly believe that forcing further UP a weight class would make for better fights.

I'll get off my soapbox. Agree or disagree?

I fucking miss open weight fights.

I agree.

 

[rorschach51]

Dehydrated fighters getting brain damage.

More CTE, more early onset dementia and parkinsons.
Maybe even the first death as a result of a UFC fight.


What other bad ideas have you got?

Same day weigh ins would do, fighters would have to fight closer to their natural weight. On a same day weigh in you're only cutting 5 to 7 pounds, so someone who walks around close to 145 is fighting at 135 and so on.