If wolves were introduced into Africa.

[SCTrojans]

Idk know if dude is making this hyena look bigger than it is, but supposedly it weighed 180lbs. I didn't know they can get that big. Too bad he and that 230lb wolf from Canada aren't alive to fight for us on video.

 

[TheLastSpartan]

Hyenas get up to around 140lbs, There's giant Canadian Gray wolves walking around in my state at 220 plus pounds.

Rare outliers. Spotted hyenas are on average heavier than gray wolves and much denser in muscle.

Hyenas also have the deadlier bite and are more tolerant to pain than wolves are.

Hyena clans are on average far larger than wolf packs. There really is no strong contention in favor of the wolf tbh.

 

[squeezewax]

Hyenas are far too slow and stiff, wolves are much faster and agile.

 

[salamander]

They've already been introduced to Africa.

They won.

 

[D Train]

Hyenas are way more battle-hardened than wolves. I think the Hyenas would fuck the wolves up.

Getting introduced into the African food chain would be a rude awakening for wolves.

I read that hyenas are more closely related to cats than dogs. Can @Zookeeper Gabe confirm this? If so, that’s crazy.

To defeat Tiger.. you must become Tiger..

DID THAT TIGER JUST HIT A DUCK UNDER?!

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

I read that hyenas are more closely related to cats than dogs. Can @Zookeeper Gabe concirn this? If so, that’s crazy.

DID THAT TIGER JUST HIT A DUCK UNDER?!

He straight up told that bastard to have a seat lol



Another huge advantage a Tiger has in a fight is not only its brute strength, size, and athleticism.. but they can straight up box with both paws at once -something Lions struggle with.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Idk know if dude is making this hyena look bigger than it is, but supposedly it weighed 180lbs. I didn't know they can get that big. Too bad he and that 230lb wolf from Canada aren't alive to fight for us on video.

Yeah fuck all that. Hyenas are srs buisness

 

[b-hop]

Tiger beats lion pound for pound, and they are bigger on average

So tiger beats lion

They not have the same muscular density of a Lion. And lions fight way more than a Tiger, against top brutal animals. Elephants, Rhinos, Buffalos, Crocodiles, Hippos, Giraffes, Hyenas, other Lions..on regularly bases.
Siberian Tigers at most fight mooses.

 

[Drain Bamage]

They not have the same muscular density of a Lion. And lions fight way more than a Tiger, against top brutal animals. Elephants, Rhinos, Buffalos, Crocodiles, Hippos, Giraffes, Hyenas, other Lions..on regularly bases.
Siberian Tigers at most fight mooses.

Wrong

 

[Drain Bamage]

Lions are pack animals, they hunt in packs they will never be as cunning as a tiger, who hunts solo

Lions spend their days play fighting, with tigers there is no play fighting

The tiger would kill the lion while the lion is still trying to figure out if its serious or not

 

[Zookeeper Gabe]

I read that hyenas are more closely related to cats than dogs. Can @Zookeeper Gabe concirn this? If so, that’s crazy.

DID THAT TIGER JUST HIT A DUCK UNDER?!

Yeah, despite looking more like the canids they are more closely related to felines.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Lions are pack animals, they hunt in packs they will never be as cunning as a tiger, who hunts solo

Lions spend their days play fighting, with tigers there is no play fighting

The tiger would kill the lion while the lion is still trying to figure out if its serious or not

without a doubt becoming an alpha lions and maintaining that status means you accept dominance fights as normal and necessary part of your life. You have no fear of life ending injuries in those exchanges as they are just part of life unless you want to be a beta and try to avoid all conflict.

A Tiger is never looking for that type of fight like many other alpha predators. Unless injured and struggling to find food, they would always prefer to take down outmatched prey with quick lethality and little damage risk to themselves. A Tiger would take no pride, zero, in winning a fight but walking away hobbled and at risk. An injured lion can take the time to heal, if possible, within the safety and feeding of the Pride and an injured Tiger has no such luxury.

So while I take no position on this debate and think the answer would be 'it depends', I could certainly see a motivated lion with that look in his eye taking on and beating a Tiger who would rather just leave instead of fighting. Also that mane the Lion has is an awesome defensive weapon protecting one of the most vulnerable areas in a fight. That said even if a Tiger commiting to the fight similarly is rare, i would not be shocked if they win when they do.

 

[shunyata]

They not have the same muscular density of a Lion. And lions fight way more than a Tiger, against top brutal animals. Elephants, Rhinos, Buffalos, Crocodiles, Hippos, Giraffes, Hyenas, other Lions..on regularly bases.
Siberian Tigers at most fight mooses.

This isn't a hypothetical though.

We have real life data.

Regardless of the ethics of it, there are several big cat parks in China that put groups of African Lions and Siberian Tigers in the same enclosures.

The Lions get F'd up on the regular. The tigers run the yard and if the lions even look at them the wrong way or sit on the wrong rock they get smashed until they run off with their tails between their legs.

A female tiger wrecks a male Lion 1v1.

Lions run from the tigers even at 2v1, 3v1, and 4v1.

There's no debate.

Lions don't outfight Tigers.

It is known.



Also in California back in the wild gold rush days they imported male African Lions to fight Grizzlies for entertainment / gambling. The practice ended quickly because the Lions lost every single match. Every single one the grizzly wrecked the lion. The lions were expensive to import and the betting fell apart when the gold miners figured out you just bet on the bear.

without a doubt becoming an alpha lions and maintaining that status means you accept dominance fights as normal and necessary part of your life. You have no fear of life ending injuries in those exchanges as they are just part of life unless you want to be a beta and try to avoid all conflict.

A Tiger is never looking for that type of fight like many other alpha predators. Unless injured and struggling to find food, they would always prefer to take down outmatched prey with quick lethality and little damage risk to themselves. A Tiger would take no pride, zero, in winning a fight but walking away hobbled and at risk. An injured lion can take the time to heal, if possible, within the safety and feeding of the Pride and an injured Tiger has no such luxury.

So while I take no position on this debate and think the answer would be 'it depends', I could certainly see a motivated lion with that look in his eye taking on and beating a Tiger who would rather just leave instead of fighting. Also that mane the Lion has is an awesome defensive weapon protecting one of the most vulnerable areas in a fight. That said even if a Tiger commiting to the fight similarly is rare, i would not be shocked if they win when they do.

Weight class matters. Female Siberian Tigers wreck a full grown male African Lion and it's not even close, it's really sad to watch. Like damn why can't you separate those species the Lion's are getting full on abused sad.

 

[TribalDrumz]

Someone post a picture of the extinct Cave Lion! That thing was THICK.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

They not have the same muscular density of a Lion. And lions fight way more than a Tiger, against top brutal animals. Elephants, Rhinos, Buffalos, Crocodiles, Hippos, Giraffes, Hyenas, other Lions..on regularly bases.
Siberian Tigers at most fight mooses.

tigers regularly fight bears, crocodiles and gaurs and do it all solo. Lions hunt in packs. This is what happens when a desperate lone male tries to hunt a cape buffalo:

Gaurs are significantly larger and stronger than cape buffaloes and tigers regularly dine on them.

The strength of the lion lies in the cooperative hunting techniques. Tigers reign supreme as solo fighters.

 

[Fungoose]

This isn’t true, at least in any definitive sense. I posted the info in the last thread this came up in but a lot of the ‘reports’ about Lions accomplishing this stuff was based off of bullshit and embellishement. There are many scientists, Zoologists and so on that disregard a lot of the stuff said about it.

I’m sure they are well educated in their respective fields, but I don’t believe for a moment that many (if any) of them have have actually witnessed serious fights between the two. Let alone the number of fights the big cat tamers have witnessed. It would be the equivalent of asking a physician to pick the winner of a fight between two humans. Hands on experience with real life accounts mean more (at least on this particular topic) than education. That is why I was so interested in their take when digging into the matter.

Here’s a quick look at the wiki about it, I’ve posted other sourced articles in the past too but don’t have them handy atm..


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_versus_lion

^It gives back and forth details about many encounters over the years with Tigers winning some and Lions winning others. Most sources I’ve read however say that Tigers typically win out. Beatty is one of the only ones I’ve read that says different and his claims are sketchy. The wiki article gives some examples including one in 2011 where a Tiger easily killed a Lion. Some of the sketchier claims were based on groups of Lions being around a lone Tiger or full grown males being around adolescent Tigers

If you don’t trust Clyde Beatty’s estimation, look no further than virtually any other big cat tamer. I have yet to see one claim the tiger is the more fearsome fighter. Many of them have lost a substantial amount of money from lions killing their tigers. There may be a few tamers with opinions to the contrary, I just haven’t come across them while searching the topic.

@Zookeeper Gabe has weighed in on this too iirc and doesn’t seem to think Lions wouldnt do well against a Tiger, but I’ll let him cover that.

@Zookeeper Gabe seems like a real cool cat, I have nothing bad to say about him. That doesnt mean I agree with everything he says. I doubt he works for the type of shithole that would house these animals together, so I’m not sure how many lion vs tiger fights he has witnessed himself. I’d be more than open to hearing his opinion. I want to be clear, I have no bias or vested interest either way. I admire both animals, maybe even with a preference for tigers. I just put more stock in the opinion of folks who have watched these animals engaged in mortal combat with each other rather than speculation from even well educated people.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

wouldn't that basically become a coyote?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Yeah. Wolves introduced into the African wild might just end up evolving into herbivores. The competition there is stiff.

Lions getting their fucking jaws snapped off out there

 

[Philo-Publius]

Lions getting their fucking jaws snapped off out there

Fucking brutal. What a horrible demise for that lion. I am guessing it got messed up by one of those Hippos? They didn't show it.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

Lions getting their fucking jaws snapped off out there

tbf, nothing is a match for a healthy bull hippo in his prime except an African elephant.