If wolves were introduced into Africa.

[magicmarker]

If a number of packs of wolves[largest variety] were introduced into various African countries do you think they'd survive successfully?
For the sake of the argument we'll have to assume that they'll be ok with living with hot weather at certain times of each year.

What animals would end up as their prey?
Would they be more suited to the open plains or a more wooded area?
Which animals would prey upon them?

I could see a pack of wolves running down lone hyenas and killing them. I know forum members love hyenas[as do i] and usually can't say enough great things about them but i don't think they'd be a match for wolf.
Yes hyenas have a powerful bite-force but they're not as agile as a wolf or as fast. Also when hyenas are challenged by other animals they tend to just roll on their back and not fight.

I think the pack mentality would serve them well. Not too sure the ‘lone wolves’ would fare too well in that environment.

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

If they could evolve to shed their fur, then they would probably be like the African wild dogs. I seen Wolves in Alaska before from a truck, and their fur is very thick up close, they would melt, but if they evolved to shed it then yeah they would do ok I think.. they are pack animals and will always be in large groups.

 

[Zookeeper Gabe]

Yes, I'm aware they have an 80% kill rate and endurance for days. But under the assumption that somehow gray wolves would not be affected by the climate(which is a bit absurd to begin with), they would be in direct competition with painted dogs. Not only would there be more prey for the wolves than in northern climates, but I dont see what would stop them from bullying the shit out of painted dogs, stealing their kills at will, etc. And again, this is in some fantasy world where gray wolves would be as well-suited for the Savanah as they are the Canadian Rockies.

Wolves literally aren’t built for the savannah and wouldn’t be able to compete with the other predators out there. Also, painted dogs while smaller are smarter/work better together they would certainly hold their own against some slightly larger canids.

 

[SRN]

why do you think they're nasty? They get such a bad rap for no real reason.


Everyone wants to side with lions just because they're more conventionally attractive.

No reason? Dude... they are probably the most repulsive mammal out there (not counting humans lol), they are almost as ugly as they are shitty. Scavengers aren't cute! If hyenas were humans they would be sex addict bums stealing from hardworking honest people while laughing at them. I can't respect that. lol I know there's one type of hyena that also hunts but still... fuck them.

Oh and their females have huge clits and no real vagina.

 

[Midnighter]

Yeah, African wild dogs are considered among the best hunters, if not THE best, in the world.

Nope, humans are the best.

You race traitor.

 

[Bacco]

I can see coyotes successfully adapting to African life.

Well, Africa already have the jackal

Coyote is essentially a slighty bigger, a bit more badass jackal

He will have much more bullies, but it's already used to hot climate, Is adaptable and don't require much food

In this scenario i think he does everything better than the wolf, aside defend from other predators and kill large preys.

And even these points are debatable, as few coyote will require fare less food than a pack of wolves.

AWD will probably be theyr nightmare though

 

[sverre054]

The theory on why wolves are so far and few in Africa was because of the introduction of Hyenas


TBH, you can also find plenty of sources stating otherwise. There was an Indian prince who ended up an absurd amount of rupees because he claimed no tiger could beat his Asianic lion. That same bengal tiger ended up tearing through like 25 lions.

There are also documented reports of Jaguars and leopards killing male lions in captivity. I mean, if you look hard enough you'd probably find all sorts of sources claiming which big cat can kill which. The general consensus seems to be that it is equal when it comes to tiger vs lions.

Thats true. Its also quite interesting that north America used to have Hyenas and lions as well, but the much larger Dire wolf were round then, with the much smaller Gray wolf.

 

[Shaungotti]

Well, I guess they'd have to fight wild dogs for territory. No easy task.

I'm guessing they'd do alright but who the fuck knows. They'd have to stay clear of lions and hyenas for sure.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

I try and stay out of the hypothetical Lion vs Tiger discussions (other than dropping snarky one liners here and there), something about it just seems distasteful. But forums are for sharing information so here goes... nearly every person that has actually worked with both in mixed company (lions and tigers together) claims the lion reigns supreme. Clyde Beatty (a famous big cat tamer) claims to have never lost a lion to a tiger, but lost 25 tigers to lion attacks throughout the years (only two being Siberian tigers, the others Bengals). Other big cat tamers/trainers have claimed similar experiences, with tigers killing lions being a very rare thing. Tigers look dominant in short tussles when paws are flying but when it comes to blood, the lion is almost always the victor. This was shocking to me, as I always favored tigers as a younger man. But the accounts from folks that have witnessed countless fights between the two tell a similar story. There is an old story in Popular Mechanics from Clyde Beatty where he goes into great detail about the interactions of Lions and Tigers he witnessed in his years as a tamer. It would likely change your perspective of which big cat is the better fighter as a general rule.

This isn’t true, at least in any definitive sense. I posted the info in the last thread this came up in but a lot of the ‘reports’ about Lions accomplishing this stuff was based off of bullshit and embellishement. There are many scientists, Zoologists and so on that disregard a lot of the stuff said about it. Here’s a quick look at the wiki about it, I’ve posted other sourced articles in the past too but don’t have them handy atm..


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_versus_lion

^It gives back and forth details about many encounters over the years with Tigers winning some and Lions winning others. Most sources I’ve read however say that Tigers typically win out. Beatty is one of the only ones I’ve read that says different and his claims are sketchy. The wiki article gives some examples including one in 2011 where a Tiger easily killed a Lion. Some of the sketchier claims were based on groups of Lions being around a lone Tiger or full grown males being around adolescent Tigers

@Zookeeper Gabe has weighed in on this too iirc and doesn’t seem to think Lions wouldnt do well against a Tiger, but I’ll let him cover that.

 

[Jack Stevonovich]

why do you think they're nasty? They get such a bad rap for no real reason.

Did you even watch The Lion King?

 

[cmw43]

This makes me want to watch natgeo now

BBCs Dynasty Episode on African Painted Dogs was incredible, it followed one pack for 18 months, they gotta deal with lions, hyenas and crocs.

 

[squeezewax]

This is a good doco about putting lions up agains hyenas in intelligence tests, i won't tell you who wins.

 

[squeezewax]

 

[squeezewax]

 

[RemyR]

UFC or Pride rules?

 

[Bald1]

its not my word. its universally accepted and agreed. sure you can find some exceptions from people that disagree and claim to have witnessed otherwise. you can also find people that state as fact that the Earth is flat. Doesn't mean its true.

The vast majority of experts or people that have actually seen the battles go down agree the tiger wins like 8/10 times. it shouldn't be so hard to believe. A lion is a pack hunter. A tiger is a solo assassin that depends on 1v1 combat to live. A tiger has bigger teeth and stronger jaw muscles. Tigers are hundreds of pounds bigger! And despite being bigger they are more athletic, intelligent, and explosive.

This is a bunch of rubbish. From tigers depending on combat to survive to having bigger teeth and stronger jaw muscles (skulls are almost indistinguishable from each other) you got everything wrong. Yes, some tigers are bigger than some lions and the biggest tiger is bigger than the largest lion but comparing Siberan Ts to Asian Lions is like comparing AHDs to Grey Wolves.

The answer is - it all depends. Female lions always lose. Male vs male largely comes down to size but lions are built more for combat than tigers. There are literally millions of posts, comments, articles and stories on this topic all over the net and it's far from a settled topic like you claim.

 

[squeezewax]

Hyenas have weird looking bodies but beautiful faces. Apparently they really stink!
Hyenas roam large territories in packs and use smell to guide their way. Pouches near their anus produce a foul smelling paste called "hyena butter", which they rub onto objects and even each other.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

This is a good doco about putting lions up agains hyenas in intelligence tests, i won't tell you who wins.

Hyenas are the most underrated and misunderstood of all the large predators. Humans have always had a natural revulsion to them while admiring the lion, but it is the lion that scavenges at a higher rate. We are biased against them because they look ugly, sound creepy, smell terrible, and are led by a transvestite matriarch. But we're only beginning to understand how complex their pack structure is.

 

[Philo-Publius]

If a number of packs of wolves[largest variety] were introduced into various African countries do you think they'd survive successfully?
For the sake of the argument we'll have to assume that they'll be ok with living with hot weather at certain times of each year.

What animals would end up as their prey?
Would they be more suited to the open plains or a more wooded area?
Which animals would prey upon them?

I could see a pack of wolves running down lone hyenas and killing them. I know forum members love hyenas[as do i] and usually can't say enough great things about them but i don't think they'd be a match for wolf.
Yes hyenas have a powerful bite-force but they're not as agile as a wolf or as fast. Also when hyenas are challenged by other animals they tend to just roll on their back and not fight.

Hyenas are way more battle-hardened than wolves. I think the Hyenas would fuck the wolves up.

Getting introduced into the African food chain would be a rude awakening for wolves.

 

[mrsenor]

This isn’t true, at least in any definitive sense. I posted the info in the last thread this came up in but a lot of the ‘reports’ about Lions accomplishing this stuff was based off of bullshit and embellishement. There are many scientists, Zoologists and so on that disregard a lot of the stuff said about it. Here’s a quick look at the wiki about it, I’ve posted other sourced articles in the past too but don’t have them handy atm..


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_versus_lion

^It gives back and forth details about many encounters over the years with Tigers winning some and Lions winning others. Most sources I’ve read however say that Tigers typically win out. Beatty is one of the only ones I’ve read that says different and his claims are sketchy. The wiki article gives some examples including one in 2011 where a Tiger easily killed a Lion. Some of the sketchier claims were based on groups of Lions being around a lone Tiger or full grown males being around adolescent Tigers

@Zookeeper Gabe has weighed in on this too iirc and doesn’t seem to think Lions wouldnt do well against a Tiger, but I’ll let him cover that.

are there any reliable roman accounts