If wolves were introduced into Africa.

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

Just putting in my 2 cents, Spotted hyenas kill up to 80 percent of animals they eat, matter of fact Lions usually try to bully hyenas off their kills. Other species of hyenas tend to scavenge more than they hunt, but make no mistake all of them are efficient hunters.

yeah, the "hyenas steal all their food" meme is an urban myth perpetuated by people who learned about them from The Lion King.

 

[JSN]

A lion would make light work of even 20 wolves at once. Not even a fair matchup

I doubt that. Lions don't make light work of 20 hyenas at once and huge brown bears don't make light work of 20 wolves at once.

 

[JSN]

a lion killing an African wild dog is almost unheard of, and just as rare as the wild dogs killing a lion. You can dig up instances of either if you google, but it's so rare as to be nonexistent. Unlike the constant scuffle between hyenas and lions.

A North American wolf pack in Africa will not outcompete the wild dogs. These guys have been honed to perfection for this environment over countless generations. .

4 rillz. We're talking about an animal that doesn't currently live south of I think southern Idaho outside of the critically endangered Mexican subspecies.

 

[Midnighter]

a lion killing an African wild dog is almost unheard of, and just as rare as the wild dogs killing a lion. You can dig up instances of either if you google, but it's so rare as to be nonexistent. Unlike the constant scuffle between hyenas and lions.

A North American wolf pack in Africa will not outcompete the wild dogs. These guys have been honed to perfection for this environment over countless generations. .

There are too many videos on yt for it to be almost nonexistent, but like I said, they aren't lions main prey.

I'm your opinion they won't compete, but I disagree.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

A wolf would fuck up a bitch as cheetah 1v1, not a leopard tho, but leopards are solitary and the pack would destroy them.

Wolves are a lot smarter than hyenas and would replace them, rather than wild dogs. Wild dogs are like 1/3 the size, where as hyenas and wolves are comparable.

Wild dogs are a lot smarter than hyenas and would wreck them if they were bigger. Wolves are bigger and WOULD wreck them.

Lions could fuck them up, but wolves have MUCH more cardio and would easily escape. They would out smart lions and steal their food much easier than hyenas do.

Btw, gray wolves are smarter and stronger than under evolved African wolves

 

[Fungoose]

I dont know where you are quoting this from but its horse shit.

Tigers are bigger. Tigers are infinitely faster, most athletic and more explosive.Tigers are solo killers, a tiger depends on no one but himself. Tigers are meaner. If a lion has eaten reacently, you might be able to walk right past it with out dying. A tiger on the other hand, if you get in its area its going to fuck you up with out discussion.

and most importantly, technique. A lion has to have one front paw down at all times. it needs to have its base so that it can try to swipe powerfully with one paw. A tiger on the other hand can raise up on its hind legs and "box" the fuck out of a lion.

Check out the different clips in this. Multiple videos of a single tiger standing its ground against multiple lions and saying "what the fuck is up bro" and forcing them back. Before the lion can even get close to try and land a powerful strike the tiger has already hit it with a 5 piece and soda in the face.


tigers are confirmed to kill BEARS at times. nothing is fucking with a tiger in a fair fight that is remotely close to the same size.

at range/in the pocket the lion is bewildered by the speed and accuracy of the tigers paw swipes. in the clinch, even if the lion gets a dominant position on top of the tiger the tiger is able to just explode out of it with pure athleticism and reverse the position and slam the lion.

Yes, the word of some dork on Sherdog holds more weight than people who have actually witnessed countless fights between the two. Please tell me more...

 

[TheLastSpartan]

They'd most likely replace (via outcompeting) African wild dogs in that ecological niche, considering they're significantly larger and very similar behaviorally yet not physically equipped enough to consistently take on lions and hyenas.

However unlike wild dogs they'd be large enough in a pack to pose a serious threat to a lone lion or several hyenas.

Given that wolf packs rarely get bigger than 20 members while hyena clans can have as many as 80 members, there is no way wolves could outcompete hyenas. And thats without mentioning the disadvantages wolves have vs hyenas physically.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

4 rillz. We're talking about an animal that doesn't currently live south of I think southern Idaho outside of the critically endangered Mexican subspecies.

Wolves are getting their shit pushed in by coyotes and we're supposed to believe they'd take over the African savannah?

 

[KilledByDeath]

They would just adapt, probably lose a bit of hair, get a bit smaller and even better cardio.
They would outlast male lion stamina wise I think and probably fight the way they do against mountain lions and Jaguars.
In packs or probably gonna die.

They also hit and run with their attacks, don't just charge in and hope for the best like a lion or bear.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

A wolf would fuck up a bitch as cheetah 1v1, not a leopard tho, but leopards are solitary and the pack would destroy them.

Wolves are a lot smarter than hyenas and would replace them, rather than wild dogs. Wild dogs are like 1/3 the size, where as hyenas and wolves are comparable.

Wild dogs are a lot smarter than hyenas and would wreck them if they were bigger. Wolves are bigger and WOULD wreck them.

Lions could fuck them up, but wolves have MUCH more cardio and would easily escape. They would out smart lions and steal their food much easier than hyenas do.

Btw, gray wolves are smarter and stronger than under evolved African wolves

well we're not talking about one on one fights. As I've mentioned, coyotes are outcompeting wolves in the same ranges but they're much weaker physically. In the end, they win the territories for their offspring.

 

[Zazen]

they would be killed for chinese medcine

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

They would just adapt, probably lose a bit of hair, get a bit smaller and even better cardio.
They would outlast male lion stamina wise I think and probably fight the way they do against mountain lions and Jaguars.
In packs or probably gonna die.

They also hit and run with their attacks, don't just charge in and hope for the best like a lion or bear.

yes, if they survived and evolved within their niche they'd end up looking more like the African wild dogs they're theorized to displace.

 

[JSN]

Wolves are getting their shit pushed in by coyotes and we're supposed to believe they'd take over the African savannah?

I think it's more getting their shit pushed in by humans and then coyotes better fill the new niches, but for sure the extant wolves are the northern groups that from the range they weren't essentially eliminated from.

Hard to compare these huge Canadian wolves african wild dogs and such too. The wolves that used to inhabit say Oklahoma were as big bodied as what we currently see in Minnesota and Yellowstone.

 

[IloveTHIS]

Yes, the word of some dork on Sherdog holds more weight than people who have actually witnessed countless fights between the two. Please tell me more...

its not my word. its universally accepted and agreed. sure you can find some exceptions from people that disagree and claim to have witnessed otherwise. you can also find people that state as fact that the Earth is flat. Doesn't mean its true.

The vast majority of experts or people that have actually seen the battles go down agree the tiger wins like 8/10 times. it shouldn't be so hard to believe. A lion is a pack hunter. A tiger is a solo assassin that depends on 1v1 combat to live. A tiger has bigger teeth and stronger jaw muscles. Tigers are hundreds of pounds bigger! And despite being bigger they are more athletic, intelligent, and explosive.

 

[Jumpy]

This is so wrong, African wild dogs are much better hunters than wolves. Plus the comparison is moot point since they don’t inhabit remotely the same ecosystems.

IDK Gabe, "much better," is pretty strong. They hunt in very similar manners, it's just wild dogs' prey are usually a lot smaller than what wolves typically hunt. And wolves are usually in forests too, with more geographical interference compared to flat savannahs. Wolves are also much larger and therefore probably a little slower than the wild dogs. Still, the way they both hunt is fascinating.

 

[KoreanZawmbie]

A wolf would fuck up a bitch as cheetah 1v1, not a leopard tho, but leopards are solitary and the pack would destroy them.

Wolves are a lot smarter than hyenas and would replace them, rather than wild dogs. Wild dogs are like 1/3 the size, where as hyenas and wolves are comparable.

Wild dogs are a lot smarter than hyenas and would wreck them if they were bigger. Wolves are bigger and WOULD wreck them.

Lions could fuck them up, but wolves have MUCH more cardio and would easily escape. They would out smart lions and steal their food much easier than hyenas do.

Btw, gray wolves are smarter and stronger than under evolved African wolves

Wild dogs are extremely intelligent and I'd probably so than wolves. They are also definitely better hunters than wolves, and that is just a fact.


Watch this video, they are extremely social and will regurgitate food for the sick and old members in their pack. They hardly show aggression to each other, where as wolves will fight among each other. When it comes to pack vs pack, attributes like this makes me want to sway in favor for the wild dogs.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

I don't doubt wild dogs are smarter than a wolf, I have actually seen then hunt in person on safari in Zambia.

I was saying the wild dogs are smarter than hyenas, and if not for the size difference, would beat them out. Wolves are bigger tho, and I feel smarter tha hyena.

I think wolf kill success % isn't really comparable tho to wild dogs since there is a LOT more food to be had in Africa.

And lol @ people thinking lions. Hyenas and wolves wouldn't kill a wild dog. Predators dont risk themselves, so they dont go hunting other predators with claws and teeth

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

I'd like to see them in combat vs hyena's.

 

[JSN]

its not my word. its universally accepted and agreed. sure you can find some exceptions from people that disagree and claim to have witnessed otherwise. you can also find people that state as fact that the Earth is flat. Doesn't mean its true.

The vast majority of experts or people that have actually seen the battles go down agree the tiger wins like 8/10 times. it shouldn't be so hard to believe. A lion is a pack hunter. A tiger is a solo assassin that depends on 1v1 combat to live. A tiger has bigger teeth and stronger jaw muscles. Tigers are hundreds of pounds bigger! And despite being bigger they are more athletic, intelligent, and explosive.

There have been many recorded lion vs tiger fights and it's pretty unclear which is the better fighter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_versus_lion#Observed_fights

Remember that pretty much all big cats are ambush predators. They don't fight 1v1 combat to survive. They try to catch something unaware and quickly dispatch it.

The male lion, one could argue, is the big cat most evolved to actually fight. Its thick protective mane and super stocky body probably makes it a less effective hunter but great at fighting which they use to steal kills from other predators, establish their pride's territory and mating rights, and defend the cubs and females from hordes of hyenas especially.

 

[squeezewax]

I saw a show once where a single hyena confronted a leopard and made it run and leave it's fresh kill. This really surprized me, i thought it would of stood it's ground.
Also recently saw a cheetah make a kill, started to eat it when again a single hyena turned up. The hyena just ran at the cheetah full pelt and butted the cat in the body really hard, the cheetah fucked off! That didn't surprize me as cheetahs are small and fragile.
I think a wolf would be above a cheetah in the league table of predators if they were in Africa.