If wolves were introduced into Africa.

[squeezewax]

Those African Painted Dogs may be excellent hunters but they have to be one of the ugliest animals in the world, imo.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

I wanna see a hippo vs rhino showdown for the #2 spot.

Tossing a damn buffalo around is damn impressive



I couldn't find another vid where a rhino and a zebra are in an enclosed pen. Holy shit the rhino brutalizes the poor zebra. It kept goring it and tossing it in the air like a rag doll. Poor zebra couldn't get away.

Hippos are the superior fighter. This post here lays it all out in exhaustive detail:
https://www.quora.com/Which-animal-would-win-in-a-fight-between-a-rhino-and-a-hippo

lol Quora now seems to be the Worldstar of hypothetical animal matchups.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

and for as impressive as a hippo is, it's nothing to an elephant.

#ragdolled

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Hippos are the superior fighter. This post here lays it all out in exhaustive detail:
https://www.quora.com/Which-animal-would-win-in-a-fight-between-a-rhino-and-a-hippo

lol Quora now seems to be the Worldstar of hypothetical animal matchups.

Hmmmm, that rhino's horn was worn down it seems. Also, the Quora link has an entry to a deleted vid where a rhino reks a hippo.

I think a hippo is better suited for killing humans or predators like lions. But when matched up against an animal of similar build like the rhino, those advantages are diminished. It might crush a lion's jaw, but a rhino's head is way too big for that.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Lions would never make it here. We have too many of their natural predators - dentists.

Especially if they were forced to live in Detroit.. Lions don’t do well there..

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

and for as impressive as a hippo is, it's nothing to an elephant.

#ragdolled

An African bull elephant pretty much PWNTs the fuck out of anything it wants to: Tigers, Bears, Lions, Hippos, SUV’s.. anything.

 

[0verlord]

AIDS would get them before the Big 5 animals.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Hippos are the superior fighter. This post here lays it all out in exhaustive detail:
https://www.quora.com/Which-animal-would-win-in-a-fight-between-a-rhino-and-a-hippo

lol Quora now seems to be the Worldstar of hypothetical animal matchups.

Seems like they’re pretty evenly matched from all the YouTube videos out there. There’s videos of Rhinos owning Hippos too. They also seem to interact a decent amount and fuck with one another more than anything.

 

[HHJ]

Even my cat, who is fairly small for a male cat, is scary when he decides he wants to play and that I am not allowed to leave. He gets that Chuck Liddell look in his eye. And the second I make a move, he jumps on my leg like it’s a wildebeest. I can’t imagine a larger version of him the size of a lion.

Cats all have the devil inside them. Satan's vessel. Thats part of the appeal of having them,the danger.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Wolves are excellent hunters in their own right. Also, I don't see anything stopping them from taking painted dog kills at will. And in any sort of territorial dispute, my money is on the wolves. There a lot more variables than just who has the higher kill rate.

African wild dogs would run them to death. You're talking about animals specifically evolved for the plains of Africa vs big heavy animals designed to survive Canadian winters.

 

[gspieler]

African wild dogs would run them to death. You're talking about animals specifically evolved for the plains of Africa vs big heavy animals designed to survive Canadian winters.

A wolf pack wouldn't run from a pack of painted dogs. They would steal their kills and dare the painted dogs to do something about it.

 

[RollSonnenRoll]

Hyena wolf comparison: The bite force of a hyena is enough to quickly pierce through the lions skin. A wolfs will not.

As an analogy, imagine fighting 20 midgets 1/4th your weight. Thats a Lion vs a pack of wolves.
Now imagine fighting 20 midgets 1/4th your weight that are holding small knives. Thats a Lion vs. a cackle of Hyenas.

Savannah life would be hard for wolves, theyre bigger than they need to be for the size of the prey theyll kill. Theyll mostly be running herbivores to death. African Wild dog will do it better because they require less food.

But in the Kongo, foresty and mountainy central africa, they could make it. Chimpanzees are constantly in small warring packs, and Wolfs are swift, stealthy opportunists.

I had no idea that I needed the thoughts of a wolf pack hunting a tribe of Chimps and battling each other for territory. Thank you for this daydream I’ll be focusing on the rest of the workday

 

[pookiyama]

I had no idea that I needed the thoughts of a wolf pack hunting a tribe of Chimps and battling each other for territory. Thank you for this daydream I’ll be focusing on the rest of the workday

Rise of the planet of the Apes + The Grey.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

A wolf pack wouldn't run from a pack of painted dogs. They would steal their kills and dare the painted dogs to do something about it.

the wild dogs would harass and demoralize them. They're used to harassing lions and hyenas and you think they'd be scared of some Canadian wolves? They may not look impressive one on one, but they have the best teamwork and tactics in nature.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

Cats all have the devil inside them. Satan's vessel. Thats part of the appeal of having them,the danger.

I assure you none of that is correct. My cats are loving and awesome. They both greet me st the door every day when I come home. They do cool tricks. They’re great.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

Especially if they were forced to live in Detroit.. Lions don’t do well there..

They don’t do well anywhere. At least not since Barry Sanders retired. If you just dropped Barry Sanders in Africa, in his prime, he would decimate the animal population.

 

[HHJ]

I assure you none of that is correct. My cats are loving and awesome. They both greet me st the door every day when I come home. They do cool tricks. They’re great.

They are GREAT,but also: SATAN
I mean i know it,and im OK with it.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

They are GREAT,but also: SATAN
I mean i know it,and im OK with it.

They’re just awesome hunters. They’re like the Joe Rogan of animals. Nobody thinks Rogan is Satan. Black widows are Satan.

 

[HHJ]

If i died,they would feed on my corpse,with little to no sorrow. I mean,someone gotta do it.

 

[Fungoose]

These are based on observations of confrontations between the animals in captivity, reserves, and historical records.

As for Beatty, his claims are based off of any number of variables that I don't know theres a lot of detailed info on. Were these Tigers fully grown males, born in captivity or the wild? Were they largely females that were killed, were the Tigers around a Pride of Lions and on their own when killed (in some cases they were btw)..? There are variables and circumstances to this stuff...

The variables could swing in the favor of either, as these animal weren’t pitted against each other evenly for the purpose of fighting. As far as I understand it, most of these animals were wild caught. And female lions weren’t often on display. Male Lions form coalitions, not prides. I imagine that sort of thing would be discouraged, as it would lead to lions teaming up to kill other lions (and tigers as well). A singularly bad idea for someone attempting to make a profit off their shows. From the accounts I’ve read, it didn’t much matter which way the deck was stacked, Lions were the victors far more often than not.

For example the case of (Bobby and Caeser). Bobby (a Male Tiger) was set to fight Caeser (a Male Lion).. when the fight broke out initially, the Tiger easily took the Lion down and was holding it by the main and going for the throat. It also lacked for action so the director for the film asked Beatty to do something.. so he fucking sprays ammonia in the Tigers eyes causing Bobby to immediately release the Lion. When they stood up after that the Tiger was clearly fucked up from the ammonia and took a wild swipe at the Lion which left an opening for the Tiger to be killed.

And that's a documented example of one of his 'the Lion always wins'.

I’ve never heard this story. I can’t rightly dispute it, but I’m skeptical. It just doesn’t make any sense from a logistics standpoint. Tigers were around four times as valuable. No one looking to turn a profit would encourage, and even aid, in the lions killing their tigers.

So, grain of salt is the word of the day there.





No problem..





^And he observed many of these encounters, they aren't based off of theories and so on.


Or how about a modern one form a conservationist who owns tons of these big cats and keeps them on a huge reservation in Africa and has seen plenty of encounters between them..





^Varty is super controversial in the Animal world, but he has the clout for these opinions because he owns many of them and keeps them in a semi natural habitat. I believe he answers with the tortoise shell instead of an actual fight because he's already frowned on by people in that world to some degree.. but there have been many encounters at his park with deaths involved. I believe at this point the cats are separated atm in the park, but with him you never know..







I do as well. But I put stock in many sources, not just 1.


Not only that, but I've seen way too much evidence myself in filmed encounters where the Lions just get handled by the Tigers. Theres also far more reported incidents at Zoos/preserves over the decades of Tigers killing Lions more often than the other way around.

In Korea and China? Where tigers are part of the cultural lore? About that grain of salt...

From the Romans, to people like Varty, Clarke, Beatty and many many more I've read up on this and have drawn my conclusions based on what I consider overwhelming evidence that full grown Male Tigers will win most encounters. I dig both animals, but for discussions sake I'm in the Tigers corner here..

Well, I must say I appreciate you offering more than just tigers are solo assassins bro, lions stand no chance! I will dig into the information you’ve provided when I have the chance (including the tamer you’ve quoted). With that said... even if you consider Beatty unreliable that still leaves dozens of other tamers who have gone on record in support of the lion. I will gather some quotes (and sources for the quotes) from them when time allows, although a few quotes (without sources, but easily verifiable) were provided in a previous post in this very thread.

..especially so if its a Siberian

This is certainly a factor. Most (not all) accounts feature Bengal tigers.