If NFL is A level athleticism

Khaiser said:
Both speeds were clocked you utter spastic <45>
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Dude it's futile arguing with them. They live in the Yankee sportsball dream bubble. They don't know much about the rest of the world and just take pride in their sportsball athletes because they have been told to and they have nothing else going for them.

And can some yankee tell me why basketballers are so impressive athleticly? 1. its a skill game 2. You need to be tall so height is emphasized more so than athleticism.
 
Khaiser said:
But that’s what you’re saying now - not what you originally said.

My original ‘proof’ was in reference to your original point, as you would expect.

Real footballers don’t run 100m times or 40 yard dash times, so I’ve no idea what you expect me to provide.

I’ve looked at the only comparable measure I could fine - top speed - and given you two names faster than Hill.
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Usain Bolt's top speed during his 9.58 run was 27.8mph

So during Hill's 9.98 run he had to top out higher than Robben's 23mph

A 0.4 second difference over 100m is definitely not a difference of 5mph or even close.
 
KeyboardFighter said:
Dude it's futile arguing with them. They live in the Yankee sportsball dream bubble. They don't know much about the rest of the world and just take pride in their sportsball athletes because they have been told to and they have nothing else going for them.

And can some yankee tell me why basketballers are so impressive athleticly? 1. its a skill game 2. You need to be tall so height is emphasized more so than athleticism.
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Size, speed, strength, explosiveness, athleticism. Its no different how you guys see rugby players as great athletes. But let me ask you something, why are the All blacks so dominant in Rugby? What is their biggest advantage over everyone else?
 
Takamine86 said:
Size, speed, strength, athleticism. Its no different how you guys see rugby players as great athletes. But let me ask you something, why are the All blacks so dominant in Rugby? What is their biggest advantage over everyone else?
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I'm gonna teach you something. Rugby is a commonwealth thing and the rest of the world like where im from don't give a shit about it. I think also france is into rugby but don't know how much. So I can't answer you really. But I would bet that training Rugby would probably translate a whole lot better to MMA than Basketball or even American burgerball. And you didn't really answer anything.
 
KeyboardFighter said:
I'm gonna teach you something. Rugby is a commonwealth thing and the rest of the world like where im from don't give a shit about it. I think also france is into rugby but don't know how much. So I can't answer you really. But I would bet that training Rugby would probably translate a whole lot better to MMA than Basketball or even American burgerball. And you didn't really answer anything.
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If you know nothing about either sport, It doesn't really matter what you think on the subject.
 
Takamine86 said:
If you know nothing about either sport, It doesn't really matter what you think on the subject.
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And how much do you know about Soccer and Rugby?

And don't you think American Lardball lacks the cardio aspect to be a good crossover to MMA? Cardio is a major component in MMA.
 
IngaVovchanchyn said:
Mitrione had a career total of two tackles and two assisted tackles. So four if you feel generous. He was a bottom tier NFL player, though better than Brendan Schaub. He achieved much more in MMA, and although I never considered him elite in MMA, he's had a respectable career. I always liked the guy.
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Mitrione's footwork always impressed me. He had some real flashes of greatness but I don't think the fight IQ was there.
 
KeyboardFighter said:
And how much do you know about Soccer and Rugby?

And don't you think American Lardball lacks the cardio aspect to be a good crossover to MMA? Cardio is a major component in MMA.
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Let teach you something about American Football.

Just because American Football is an Anaerobic sport, doesn't mean the conditioning of the athletes is limited to it. They aren't stopping between play because they are tired, they are huddling to call the next play. Those are the rules of the game. The same goes for MMA. Just because you are an MMA fighter, doesn't mean you have great conditioning.

American Football is played at full speed. Any athlete that goes full speed can tire out, that includes MMA fighters. We've seen fighters gas when they go full speed for a finish in MMA haven't we. Which is why fighters pace themselves. Well there is no pacing in the NFL, everything is played at Full speed like going for a finish.
 
Takamine86 said:
Let teach you something about American Football.

Just because American Football is an Anaerobic sport, doesn't mean the conditioning of the athletes is limited to it. They aren't stopping between play because they are tired, they are huddling to call the next play. Those are the rules of the game. The same goes for MMA. Just because you are an MMA fighter, doesn't mean you have great conditioning.

American Football is played at full speed. Any athlete that goes full speed can tire out, that includes MMA fighters. We've seen fighters gas when they go full speed for a finish in MMA haven't we. Which is why fighters pace themselves. Well there is no pacing in the NFL, everything is played at Full speed like going for a finish.
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This is such a weird argument and I really don't know what you are going for here.
They really don't need cardio so they don't train for it and hence would lack in cardio. Where's in Rugby it's a big part of the sport. So with such a flaw and the eveness of physicality I would guess Rugby translate better. And I think a rugby players are more well rounded athletes than handegg players because of that.
 
Takamine86 said:
Size, speed, strength, explosiveness, athleticism. Its no different how you guys see rugby players as great athletes. But let me ask you something, why are the All blacks so dominant in Rugby? What is their biggest advantage over everyone else?
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It’s nothing like how ‘us guys’ see rugby players, because nobody with any understanding of top levels sports or athleticism thinks that rugby players could simply turn their attention - or even just dabble in - another sport and dominate. Yet we have simpletons here actually go through life under the belief that some random NFL athletes could beat up Jon fucking Jones <45>

Rugby players can be very high good athletes, as can footballers, as can American footballers, but this notion that they’ve got some sort of lockdown on elite level athleticism (or even represent the pinnacle of it as far as team, ball sports goes) is blatantly incorrect.
 
Khaiser said:
Yup.

The one played with a ball and.....feet.

Also the one played across the entire globe as opposed to one country.
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I'm gonna defend my American friends here and say that football isn't called football because you play the ball with your feet. But because it's played not on horseback like in polo but on foot. I know it's pointed out in a joking manner but it low key bothers me. ^^
 
KeyboardFighter said:
This is such a weird argument and I really know what you are going for here.
They really don't need cardio so they don't train for it and hence would lack in cardio. Where's in Rugby it's a big part of the sport. So with such a flaw and the eveness of physicality I would guess Rugby translate better. And I think a rugby players are more well rounded athletes than handegg players because of that.
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Read again and pay attention to what was said. Comprehend the information that was given.

Again, you already said you know nothing about either sport. Your opinion doesn't really matter. You are here to learn.
 
Takamine86 said:
Read again and pay attention to what was said. Comprehend the information that was given.

Again, you already said you know nothing about either sport. Your opinion doesn't really matter. You are here to learn.
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I comprehended your argument but it was such a ilogical stupid one I didn't bother to dissect it. You basicly told me even though it's not cardio intensive it's only the limits of the rules and not in the athletes themselves. Which falls on it's on argument.

And you keep calling me ignorant when you yourself probably only know of Ameriburger sports.
 
Takamine86 said:
Let teach you something about American Football.

Just because American Football is an Anaerobic sport, doesn't mean the conditioning of the athletes is limited to it. They aren't stopping between play because they are tired, they are huddling to call the next play. Those are the rules of the game. The same goes for MMA. Just because you are an MMA fighter, doesn't mean you have great conditioning.

American Football is played at full speed. Any athlete that goes full speed can tire out, that includes MMA fighters. We've seen fighters gas when they go full speed for a finish in MMA haven't we. Which is why fighters pace themselves. Well there is no pacing in the NFL, everything is played at Full speed like going for a finish.
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This is a great point. I hate people who think you don't have to be in good shape to play NFL b/c you "only play for like 5 seconds then you get a break". You trying being a WR or a DB and sprint as fast as you can for 5-10 seconds and then get maybe a 20 second break and do it again 60 times over the course of 3ish hours.

Or be a linemen who is either rushing 100% or trying to stop a 280 pound man pushing you around for 5 seconds and then have to get in and out of the huddle and do it all over again. Oh I forgot that MMA guys can all go 100% for 25 minutes easily....we've never seen anyone gas in MMA. It's the same with MMA too in that they don't go 100% for 15-25 minutes. They take time off a lot and bounce and regain their rhythm and rest a bit.

Those NFL guys are in tremendous shape and are very athletic. I'm not saying MMA guys aren't athletic though. There are freak athletes in all sports, just different skillsets within the sports depending on what the sport calls for.
 
KeyboardFighter said:
I comprehended your argument but it was such a ilogical stupid one I didn't bother to dissect it. You basicly told me even though it's not cardio intensive it's only the limits of the rules and not in the athletes themselves. Which falls on it's on argument.

And you keep calling me ignorant when you yourself probably only know of Ameriburger sports.
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I never called you ignorant. You said yourself you really don't know much about the sports and don't care. I accepted what you told me.

So I can tell you more about the sport but you have to be willing to listen. The sport itself is taxing already because it is a full speed sport. But There are also certain teams and certain times in the game where the game is played at a different tempo. Certain teams do it for a strategic advantage and but most teams will bring it out in order to preserve time and overcome a point deficits. It is called the no Huddle Offense. That means teams will not huddle between downs, they will hustle to the line and run plays without rest. Consistent play, at full speed. So as a Wide receiver or Running back, that means running routes full speed then coming back to the line to do it all over again as quickly as possible. For Cornerbacks and safeties, that means trailing wider receivers if it is man coverage. For a defensive end, that means consistently rushing the passer against a much larger lineman stronger lineman. I would put the conditioning of NFL Wide Receivers and Cornerbacks up with Anyone in Rugby. All they do is run full speed sprints the entire game.
 
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