If Aspinall loses to Gane -- is Gane Interim Champ?

I like how we have 2 active champs at HW...

Is not a shit show and a joke at all.
 
fzoid4454 said:
The rules are, the "interim" belt is a meaningless designation to keep divisions moving if the championship belt is inactive for extended periods of time.

Gane would not be the interim champion because (A) the ACTUAL champion is active, and (B) because Aspinall is no longer the interim champion, because that designation disappears as soon as the actual belt is contested again.

Neither fighter would be interim champion after that fight.
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WTF? When did titles just disappear?
Tom has not lost his title or been stripped.
You cant just take a way a mans title.

I am with wiki on this.

"Once the original champion can return, at the discretion of the sanctioning body or promotion concerned, they must defend their title against the interim champion - who will relinquish their interim title to fight for the full world title. If the original champion cannot return, refuses to defend their title, or transfers to a different weight division, the interim champion is promoted to full championship status."
 
Oscar Madison said:
What are the UFC Rules for these odd UFC Interim Titles?
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There are rules now?

Well wait, there are. Whatever makes the UFC the most money is the rule. So if a lineal interim title is needed then that is what it shall be.
 
dipstickjimmy said:
How about we let Gane see if he can beat Volkov first. Do you put Volkov into a title fight if he wins? I am sick of the UFC trending towards making one guy #1 contender if he beats his opponent but the opponent isn't getting one if he wins. Gane should also have to beat someone that can grapple not just fight kickboxers in MMA. Tom will melt him easily. Gane has one glaring hole and I think Tom, Blades and anyone with good TDs beats him easily.
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No one at HW has TD's good enough to get Gane down except for Jon, Jailton and Tom. Blaydes TD's are not what they used to be anymore. He lost the ability to set them up as he did in his fight with Overeem and now anytime he tries to shoot he gets stuffed or KO'ed. I would bet money on Gane nearly every time if they fought.
 
CatchtheseHands said:
No one at HW has TD's good enough to get Gane down except for Jon, Jailton and Tom. Blaydes TD's are not what they used to be anymore. He lost the ability to set them up as he did in his fight with Overeem and now anytime he tries to shoot he gets stuffed or KO'ed. I would bet money on Gane nearly every time if they fought.
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I would like to see Gane fight someone that tries to take him down. Not sure how you are so confident in Gane's TDD??? Who has he fought that tried to take him down???

Jon was 1-1
Spivak was 0-1
Francis was 4-5
Lewis and JDS are listed as 0-1
Raphael Pessoa is 0-2
All 6 of his other opponents didn't even attempt a TD.
So he was taken down 5 times in 11 total TD attempts. And none of those opponents are remotely close to a fighter with high level TDs, they were almost all kickboxers. Gane doesn't have one shot KO power and if he can't stop one legged Francis' TDs I would think Blaydes can get him down.
 
UFC better either announce Jones/Aspinall or promote Aspinall to champ soon.
 
CatchtheseHands said:
No one at HW has TD's good enough to get Gane down except for Jon, Jailton and Tom. Blaydes TD's are not what they used to be anymore. He lost the ability to set them up as he did in his fight with Overeem and now anytime he tries to shoot he gets stuffed or KO'ed. I would bet money on Gane nearly every time if they fought.
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Gane is not a big hitter unlike Ngannou, Lewis, Tom and Pav though. He would most likely have to keep the fight standing over several rounds if not go the full 5. Its not an easy fight for him at all imo.
 
dipstickjimmy said:
I would like to see Gane fight someone that tries to take him down. Not sure how you are so confident in Gane's TDD??? Who has he fought that tried to take him down???

Jon was 1-1
Spivak was 0-1
Francis was 4-5
Lewis and JDS are listed as 0-1
Raphael Pessoa is 0-2
All 6 of his other opponents didn't even attempt a TD.
So he was taken down 5 times in 11 total TD attempts. And none of those opponents are remotely close to a fighter with high level TDs, they were almost all kickboxers. Gane doesn't have one shot KO power and if he can't stop one legged Francis' TDs I would think Blaydes can get him down.
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It's not Gane's TDD I'm confident in. It's Blaydes doing all the wrong things is what I'm confident in. Blaydes has the most inconsistent fight IQ at HW in the top 5. Sometimes he'll do the right thing like we saw when he fought Jailton, other times he'll do the right thing, only to end up doing the wrong thing like we saw with Lewis where he tried to get the fight to the ground when he was already winning on the feet. Then he'll have times where he does ALL the wrong things like we saw in his fight with Pav, choosing to have a fire fight instead of trying to get the fight to the ground. Blaydes has the tools to beat Gane but it would depend on which version of Blaydes shows up that night. Gane is much more consistent in comparison and is why I'd bet on Gane more often than not. He's just way more likely to do the right thing and be able to make the correct adjustments, where as Blaydes is a lot more likely to do the wrong thing and not make the proper adjustments.
TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle said:
Gane is not a big hitter unlike Ngannou, Lewis, Tom and Pav though. He would most likely have to keep the fight standing over several rounds if not go the full 5. Its not an easy fight for him at all imo.
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This current version of Blaydes does not use his wrestling much anymore and like I already said, his TD's aren't as good as they used to be. Blaydes would more than likely keep the fight standing and try to strike with him as he hasn't taken a wrestle heavy approach since beating Biggie Boy.
 
dipstickjimmy said:
But if Gane is in a match to WIn the #1 contender status his opponent should as well. I think Volkov has as good a shot at beating Tom as Cyril does. Just because that happens to be not much of a shot doesn't matter IMO. Tom will have to run the gauntlet as a Defending Champion.

The problem is the UFC has done a shit job building contenders in the HW division and instead focused on one guy and holding up the division for basically 2 years.
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What contenders? HW has Gane, Volkov, Blaydes, Pavlovich, and Almeida. That's it for championship caliber fighters (aside from Tom) and Tom has beat 3 of those already.
 
Oscar Madison said:
If Jones decides not to take the Tom fight next -- Gane is likely Tom's opponent.

UFC must then decide if they strip Jon; and Tom Gane becomes the

-- Undisputed Title fight, or

-- it becomes another Aspinall bizarre Interim Title Defense fight.

This is the UFC -- so who knows...
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Tarja bless
 
lsa said:
WTF? When did titles just disappear?
Tom has not lost his title or been stripped.
You cant just take a way a mans title.

I am with wiki on this.

"Once the original champion can return, at the discretion of the sanctioning body or promotion concerned, they must defend their title against the interim champion - who will relinquish their interim title to fight for the full world title. If the original champion cannot return, refuses to defend their title, or transfers to a different weight division, the interim champion is promoted to full championship status."
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Love how you bold the part you did, but pretend the part that preceded it - "AT THE DISCRETION OF THE SANCTIONING BODY OR PROMOTION" - doesn't exist.

"At the discretion" means it's completely optional, and not set in stone or mandatory in any way, shape or form.
 
fzoid4454 said:
Love how you bold the part you did, but pretend the part that preceded it - "AT THE DISCRETION OF THE SANCTIONING BODY OR PROMOTION" - doesn't exist.

"At the discretion" means it's completely optional, and not set in stone or mandatory in any way, shape or form.
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But it does not mean the belt vanish as you claim either.
A title does not just disappear, it makes the whole Interim title worthless.

Tom is still listed at the Interim champ on UFC website.
So the title did not disappear.


We have 2 active champs in the UFC.
 
dipstickjimmy said:
Why do you make stuff up? Randy came back and defended his "Undisputed" title and lost it to Brock at UFC 91 but Big Nog's "Interim" title didn't disappear. He defended it against Frank Mir at UFC 92 and lost. Brock and Mir fought to "Unify" the titles.

Jon isn't active until he signs to defend against an actual #1 contender. He got his freebie against the long retired firefighter. Maybe he fights and maybe he doesn't but he isn't an "Active" champion until he signs to defend agaisnt Tom.
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Jon is active the second he, as champion, steps into the Octagon again. Hilarious that you pull this requirement that it has to be against "an actual #1 contender" out of your ass, which isn't a requirement for defending a belt, and accuse me of making stuff up.
 
Having to defend the interior championship while there is n active champion is absolute madness.
And then when they announce the champion Buffer yells "undisputed!", like what the fuck, if there was ever a moment to not say that it would be it.
So it's just a phrase that some moron coined for the entrance and nobody even pays attention to it anymore, it's become just a comma in a sentence.
 
lsa said:
But it does not mean the belt vanish as you claim either.
A title does not just disappear, it makes the whole Interim title worthless.

Tom is still listed at the Interim champ on UFC website.
So the title did not disappear.


We have 2 active champs in the UFC.
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Yes, the interim title IS worthless. Not just because it disappears, but because it's a meaningless, worthless designation made just so they can take cards where no actual belt is being contested and claim there are "championship" fights.

It's always been a stupid, nothing designation. It's no more meaningful than the made-up BMF belt.
 
fzoid4454 said:
Yes, the interim title IS worthless. Not just because it disappears, but because it's a meaningless, worthless designation made just so they can take cards where no actual belt is being contested and claim there are "championship" fights.

It's always been a stupid, nothing designation. It's no more meaningful than the made-up BMF belt.
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Its not worthless if you defend and later unify it.
If a champ is out for a long time its okay with an interim champ, the show must go on.
Its when the real champ gets back and fight anybody else but the interim champ it gets weird.

Sadly it has been misused and is a joke.

After losing to Serra GSP became the interim champ.
First fight back for Serra was vs GSP.
Everybody and his mother knew it would be a beat down. But Serra did what was right.
 
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