Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

[Mr Holmes]

The US has always counted non-citizens in the census since the Constitution mandates it. What's changed?

Why would something have to have changed?

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Way easier to dehumanize a group of people if you don’t include them as part of the population.

They are illegal aliens, they are not part of the population, simply because they shouldn't be here in the first place. Plus they are aliens, how do you dehumanize aliens when they are not human.

 

[avenue94]

Why would something have to have changed?

Because it's literally in the constitution, the census counts all residents, not just citizens.

For someone who claims to be concerned about judicial overreach, you are awfully comfortable calling for unconstitutional and illegal conduct.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Because it's literally in the constitution, the census counts all residents, not just citizens.

And?

For someone who claims to be concerned about judicial overreach, you are awfully comfortable calling for unconstitutional and illegal conduct.

Its illegal for congress to pass a bill? Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

 

[fingercuffs]

As far as I can tell there have been no changes in legal requirements for ice in the past 17 years. Ice have to show badges with numbers, don't have to show their face or a warrant.

Not answering my question.

 

[fingercuffs]

Thing is a majority of the people allowed in during the previous administration weren’t vetted so they have no idea what criminal record they had in their home countries.

I came here legally, they didn't vet my criminal history in the UK or The Netherlands. How would they?

 

[Versez]

I came here legally, they didn't vet my criminal history in the UK or The Netherlands.

Are you saying that you commited crimes in the UK ??? Hmmmm...

 

[fingercuffs]

Are you saying that you commited crimes in the UK ??? Hmmmm...

I'm not saying that, no. Why did you leave out The Netherlands though? Lol.

 

[Versez]

I'm not saying that, no. Why did you leave out The Netherlands though? Lol.

So that imply that you may be done some crimes in the netherlands....interesting. Investigations are onto way.

 

[nhbbear]

You're such clown. I only bother replying so others can see it too.

We see it

 

[nhbbear]

Innocent until proven guilty, brothu.

True for all crimes but an illegal in this country.

 

[fingercuffs]

So that imply that you may be done some crimes in the netherlands....interesting. Investigations are onto way.

Haha, I didn't even smoke weed when I lived there. On business trips it was a bit of a different story.

 

[avenue94]

And?

Its illegal for congress to pass a bill? Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

It would be illegal for Congress to pass a bill that directly violates a clause of the constitution. It would need to be a change made at the constitutional level, so either get the states together for a convention or get a supermajority in Congress.

How are you still trying to argue this is constitutional? Have you never read it?

 

[Crazy Source]

True for all crimes but an illegal in this country.

You are still supposed to be processed through the courts.

 

[Mr Holmes]

It would be illegal for Congress to pass a bill that directly violates a clause of the constitution. It would need to be a change made at the constitutional level, so either get the states together for a convention or get a supermajority in Congress.

How are you still trying to argue this is constitutional? Have you never read it?

Its written in the constitution that congress has the power to amend the constitution. Have you never read it? You don't have any details yet and you've already declared it illegal.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Its written in the constitution that congress has the power to amend the constitution. Have you never read it? You don't have any details yet and you've already declared it illegal.

Uhhhhh

 

[Mr Holmes]

Uhhhhh

What? Are suggesting a member of congress can't propose an amendment?

 

[avenue94]

Its written in the constitution that congress has the power to amend the constitution. Have you never read it? You don't have any details yet and you've already declared it illegal.

Yes, Congress can amend the constitution with a 2/3 vote in both the Senate and the House, followed by ratification by 3/4 of the states. Not through normal legislation.

And why would I need details to figure out if its constitutional? The constitution literally says everyone currently residing in the US gets counted, period. Are you disputing that this is what the constitution orders?

 

[Mr Holmes]

Yes, Congress can amend the constitution with a 2/3 vote in both the Senate and the House, followed by ratification by 3/4 of the states. Not through normal legislation.

Any member of congress can propose a new amendment.

The constitution literally says everyone currently residing in the US gets counted, period. Are you disputing that this is what the constitution orders?

No shit, thats why they're trying to change it.

 

[avenue94]

Any member of congress can propose a new amendment.


No shit, thats why they're trying to change it.

She's claiming to have introduced a bill, not a constitutional amendment. While I don't doubt she's dumb enough to confuse the two, all we have to go on is her claim to be proposing an unconditional law that would immediately get struck down by any court with a basic understanding of the constitution.

Let's also ignore how stupid this law would be given Florida and Texas would lose representation if we included only citizens.