Media Ian Garry shuts down Joaquin Buckley

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

These modern fighters are divas, "waaah I only fight upwards". They could learn a thing or 2 from mommy fiorots world tour of destruction. Beat up a former title challenger in america, take out the number 1 contender in Abu Dhabi, then kick an unranked former champs ass for fun in Paris.

that belly is weird

 

[DestinedAussie]

Haha he's right and I appreciate the honesty of not wanting to take a fighter ranked under him <Lmaoo>.

Also god damn is it funny to see Buckley act like he's some primo star all the time because of one viral knockout, man's really let it go to his head the way he calls everyone out.

Man I should go to bed lol ..

Problem is every fighter feels like this way and one of them has to be the lower rank.

 

[Sticko]

These modern fighters are divas, "waaah I only fight upwards". They could learn a thing or 2 from mommy fiorots world tour of destruction. Beat up a former title challenger in america, take out the number 1 contender in Abu Dhabi, then kick an unranked former champs ass for fun in Paris.

Key words in there are "former champ." Rose is only unranked because she's in a new division. She's still a ranked strawweight if she chooses to go back down. I bet every women's flyweight on the roster would want to fight Rose (except Val because iirc they train together).

 

[Sticko]

Hopefully all of the fighters above Ian in the ranks refuse to fight him, because he's refusing to fight anyone below himself.

Gillespie destroyed his career refusing to fight anyone below himself.

It's not like Garry is just sitting out refusing to fight people below him, he's currently booked against #8 Geoff Neal in August. The UFC obviously likes Garry so if he keeps winning he's going to keep fighting upwards.

Hopefully Neal starches him though so he can go crawling back to Buckley.

 

[13Seconds]

Buckley is probably a bigger name than Garry though and rankings don't matter.

When Garry gets blasted by Neal he'll regret not taking the Buckley fight, a fight that would've had a bigger buzz leading up to it than Neal.

If Buckley can string together some wins at WW he'll get fast tracked to the top.

 

[Local Plata]

More like Ian Garry acts like an entitled clown because he has an accent and knows the UFC will baby him, and talks about rankings despite being a nobody and having fought nobody.

 

[Stump]

What a ridiculous stand to make - not fighting anyone lower than you. You only have to think about this for about 3 seconds to realize it doesn't make sense.

We've got enough rank squatters at it is. This kind of mentality should be called out.

Also, rankings are total horseshit anyway. Garry acting like he doesnt care about Buckley's name because all that matters are the rankings... the made-up, unfair rankings that function primarily to set up fights with the most hype - and when the rankings can't be used to set up the hype fights, the UFC just ignores them and makes the hype fight (the fight involving the guy with a name)? - those rankings are important Ian?

Faaack offf.

 

[Masturbin]

ian already has a fight booked against a harder, better and more rewarding opponent.

Why should he even take to time to respond to Buckley?

Buckley is a clout chaser. He beat a caveman at WW and now he wants to call out top prospect but not actually fight them.

 

[svmr_db]

What a ridiculous stand to make - not fighting anyone lower than you. You only have to think about this for about 3 seconds to realize it doesn't make sense.

We've got enough rank squatters at it is. This kind of mentality should be called out.

Also, rankings are total horseshit anyway. Garry acting like he doesnt care about Buckley's name because all that matters are the rankings... the made-up, unfair rankings that function primarily to set up fights with the most hype - and when the rankings can't be used to set up the hype fights, the UFC just ignores them and makes the hype fight (the fight involving the guy with a name)? - those rankings are important Ian?

Faaack offf.

D-Rod was ranked #15 at WW when Garry beat him, now Garry is #13. He's trying to become champion, he's gonna have to beat guys ahead of him to get that opportunity. Why should he be fighting down right now? If he loses it's a different story, but as long as he keeps winning the opponents should keep rising in difficulty and ranking.

Why does Buckley deserve a ranked opponent? He's beaten one guy at welterweight, Andre Fialho who was coming of back to back KO/TKO losses. A few wins at welterweight before getting a ranked opponent isn't too much to ask, the same thing Garry had to do.

 

[Dirty Frank]

Hopefully all of the fighters above Ian in the ranks refuse to fight him, because he's refusing to fight anyone below himself.

Gillespie destroyed his career refusing to fight anyone below himself.

That's it. Cuts both ways

 

[Stump]

D-Rod was ranked #15 at WW when Garry beat him, now Garry is #13. He's trying to become champion, he's gonna have to beat guys ahead of him to get that opportunity. Why should he be fighting down right now? If he loses it's a different story, but as long as he keeps winning the opponents should keep rising in difficulty and ranking.

Why does Buckley deserve a ranked opponent? He's beaten one guy at welterweight, Andre Fialho who was coming of back to back KO/TKO losses. A few wins at welterweight before getting a ranked opponent isn't too much to ask, the same thing Garry had to do.

It's simply not possible for everyone to refuse to fight ONLY fighters ranked above them. This is a pretty simple concept, mate. Imagine any opponent that Garry might face - ranked above him, obviously. Now imagine that guy has the same attitude Garry does... how does the fight happen? how does any fight ever happen?

If he wants to become champion he needs to string together wins against names, not necessarily rankings. The rankings will change and/or be ignored in favour of the most marketable matchup. We all know this.

So, Garry's position is dumb for two reasons - 1) refusing to fight anyone with a rank lower than you isn't feasible - if everybody took this attitude, there woud be zero fights happening. 2) Rankings don't matter as much as notoriety and marketability does. Buckley is 100% right to say that a matchup against him is more valuable than against some unknown top-15 fighter because of the name that Buckley has.

So, "deserve" has nothing to do with it. Practically speaking, Garry is wrong and Buckley is right. If Garry is dead-set on quickly attaining the title, he could do no better than to take fights with the biggest names he can arrange, and ignore the rankings.

#14 ranked Dan Henderson fought for the title, and it isn't because every single fighter ranked #1-#13 were all sidelined with injuries.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Hopefully all of the fighters above Ian in the ranks refuse to fight him, because he's refusing to fight anyone below himself.

Gillespie destroyed his career refusing to fight anyone below himself.

Garry has only been winning so far so it's fair for him to fight higher ranked guys. He also has been pretty active so his good performances are fresh in the mind of the fans.

Gillespie was fighting once in a blue moon and then got headkicked into Bolivia by NotSoGoodFighterKevinLee and still wanted to fight contenders coming of that terrible loss.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

It's simply not possible for everyone to refuse to fight ONLY fighters ranked above them. This is a pretty simple concept, mate. Imagine any opponent that Garry might face - ranked above him, obviously. Now imagine that guy has the same attitude Garry does... how does the fight happen? how does any fight ever happen?

If he wants to become champion he needs to string together wins against names, not necessarily rankings. The rankings will change and/or be ignored in favour of the most marketable matchup. We all know this.

So, Garry's position is dumb for two reasons - 1) refusing to fight anyone with a rank lower than you isn't feasible - if everybody took this attitude, there woud be zero fights happening. 2) Rankings don't matter as much as notoriety and marketability does. Buckley is 100% right to say that a matchup against him is more valuable than against some unknown top-15 fighter because of the name that Buckley has.

So, "deserve" has nothing to do with it. Practically speaking, Garry is wrong and Buckley is right. If Garry is dead-set on quickly attaining the title, he could do no better than to take fights with the biggest names he can arrange, and ignore the rankings.

#14 ranked Dan Henderson fought for the title, and it isn't because every single fighter ranked #1-#13 were all sidelined with injuries.

I get your point and I agree with you that things get complicated once you climb up the rankings. Once you are in the top 6/7 is basically impossible to fight up all the time but you are already in the mix.

Garry is number 13 is booked to fight number 8 so this whole thing does not make sense. If you think a win over Geoff Neal does not get Garry closer to a TS than a win over Buckley (who is neither a big name or a contender) IDK what to say to you.

Kid is right.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

These modern fighters are divas, "waaah I only fight upwards". They could learn a thing or 2 from mommy fiorots world tour of destruction. Beat up a former title challenger in america, take out the number 1 contender in Abu Dhabi, then kick an unranked former champs ass for fun in Paris.

Yeah.. as a fan I love these type of fighters.

There is another dude that beat a guy who has been smeshing people and just beat a guy who was #5 at the time and is still willing to fight an unranked guy:

 

[Tweak896]

Funny people will say rankings don't matter, then all the fighters talk about rankings like this.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Hopefully all of the fighters above Ian in the ranks refuse to fight him, because he's refusing to fight anyone below himself.

Gillespie destroyed his career refusing to fight anyone below himself.

Well hold on now, Gillespie being #12 on a one fight win streak and refusing to fight #15 on a 4-5 fight win streak is a BIT different than 12-0 #13 ranked Garry not wanting to fight 6-4 in the UFC Buckley.
(Hell, Gregor was #11 with no ranked wins, lost to Lee at #10, then said he'd refuse anything but another top 10 fight. That's more delusional that Buckley)

Unless there was someone else Garry refused to fight?

 

[Royce's Gi]

I think Buckley understands Garry.

Buckley wouldn't want to fight down the ranks either

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Buckley is probably a bigger name than Garry though and rankings don't matter.

When Garry gets blasted by Neal he'll regret not taking the Buckley fight, a fight that would've had a bigger buzz leading up to it than Neal.

If Buckley can string together some wins at WW he'll get fast tracked to the top.

Beating Neal should mean 2-3 more wins before a title shot, depending on the WW landscape. Beating Buckley gains Garry zero ground towards that, other than having a win and hoping someone in front of him loses

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

It's simply not possible for everyone to refuse to fight ONLY fighters ranked above them. This is a pretty simple concept, mate. Imagine any opponent that Garry might face - ranked above him, obviously. Now imagine that guy has the same attitude Garry does... how does the fight happen? how does any fight ever happen?

If he wants to become champion he needs to string together wins against names, not necessarily rankings. The rankings will change and/or be ignored in favour of the most marketable matchup. We all know this.

So, Garry's position is dumb for two reasons - 1) refusing to fight anyone with a rank lower than you isn't feasible - if everybody took this attitude, there woud be zero fights happening. 2) Rankings don't matter as much as notoriety and marketability does. Buckley is 100% right to say that a matchup against him is more valuable than against some unknown top-15 fighter because of the name that Buckley has.

So, "deserve" has nothing to do with it. Practically speaking, Garry is wrong and Buckley is right. If Garry is dead-set on quickly attaining the title, he could do no better than to take fights with the biggest names he can arrange, and ignore the rankings.

#14 ranked Dan Henderson fought for the title, and it isn't because every single fighter ranked #1-#13 were all sidelined with injuries.

I really don't want to break down why all of this is horseshit bit by bit. Can you just think harder about it? Like the fact Buckley doesn't even fit the trend of what you're asking for? Or how much more layered things are than # vs #?

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Yea but that's not how the sport works lol

U cant just fight up...someone has to fight down ..

Like his next opponent..
Im not saying Buckley deserves it...im just saying this is an asshole take lol ... considering Ians next opponent would be doing what he claims he wouldn't do....