I feel bad for former WEC Champs

[DaGenius]

Faber still had a great career. I do agree that the lesser known WEC guys are just a footnote.

 

[TheNightmanCometh]

When Faber first won the WEC FW belt, Edgar was 3-0 against a bunch of nobodies. During Faber's 2.5 year reign, Edgar went 7-1 with some solid wins but a loss to Maynard. He wasn't that high up the LW ladder yet. I don't believe it's reasonable to assume he'd have beaten Faber during that period. Especially considering that he didn't fare much better in his eventual fight against Aldo than Faber did. Also consider that Edgar-Aldo was five years after Faber lost the WEC FW title. Not a short time period in this sport.

As for BW, it seems absurd to claim he was ever the best BW when he has never even cut to that weight.

Edit: Wrote Faber-Aldo when I meant Edgar-Aldo.

A loss to Maynard, the giant 155 wrestling behemoth? The guy who couldn't put Edgar away despite hitting him with numerous bombs? Yet the same Frankie Edgar in your opinion wouldn't be able to compete at 135/145? Sorry, but you're wrong. Edgar did perform better than Faber against Aldo and Faber hasn't changed much in the past 10 years style wise. Whereas Edgar has improved by extremely large margins. Edgar could have easily cut to 135. He chose to fight tougher guys at a higher weight class in the UFC. Why didn't Aldo do the same, or Faber?

 

[AP_RESURRECTION]

still counts to a lot of people, WEC was a legit org for thesmaller weights, being a champ there meant something - you can see the list of names who held titles there andrealize it was a legit org obviously - if the worry is that misinformed people wont give due respect, who cares

 

[fortheo]

Oh look another adult trying to salvage their ego by tossing around the word "troll". Either join the discussion or don't, but sitting around trying to gossip about someone and derailing the topic is quite pathetic.

Wait. You mean to tell me there's a discussion going on here? All I see is you repeating nothings and referring to previous imaginary points that you imagined to be correct based off of your opinions which are in fact nothing.

 

[TheNightmanCometh]

Wait. You mean to tell me there's a discussion going on here? All I see is you repeating nothings and referring to previous imaginary points that you imagined to be correct based off of your opinions which are in fact nothing.

I don't think you understand what circular reasoning means, and notice how you have yet to add anything relevant to the discussion? As I said, pathetic...

 

[fortheo]

I don't think you understand what circular reasoning means, and notice how you have yet to add anything relevant to the discussion? As I said, pathetic...

What discussion?

 

[TheNightmanCometh]

What discussion?

Precisely the point I'm making, you're absolutely unaware of what is going on in this thread. Please, start from the beginning and read through the thread. If you have some thoughts on the topic I would love to hear them but trying to cure your insecurities by lashing out at me is pointless.

 

[fortheo]

Precisely the point I'm making, you're absolutely unaware of what is going on in this thread. Please, start from the beginning and read through the thread. If you have some thoughts on the topic I would love to hear them but trying to cure your insecurities by lashing out at me is pointless.

You have no point and you've made no point in this entire thread and you continue to refer to a point that you have not made. Write another paragraph about me though; it helps soothe my insecurities.

 

[TheNightmanCometh]

still counts to a lot of people, WEC was a legit org for thesmaller weights, being a champ there meant something - you can see the list of names who held titles there andrealize it was a legit org obviously - if the worry is that misinformed people wont give due respect, who cares

The legitimacy of the organization was never in question. Clearly WEC produced a lot of very skilled fighters. However, the discussion was whether or not they were the best in the world at the time. I still contend that they weren't and if someone like Kenny Florian could go up to 185 lbs. to fight on TUF why couldn't Aldo or Faber move up to 155 to compete?

 

[Drake]

Well think about it this way...are Dave Menne, Pedro Rizzo, Matt Serra & Murilo Bustamante viewed as all time greats?


Not all champs go down as greats, but no one can take away that they were once champions.

 

[TheCryingElite]

The legitimacy of the organization was never in question. Clearly WEC produced a lot of very skilled fighters. However, the discussion was whether or not they were the best in the world at the time. I still contend that they weren't and if someone like Kenny Florian could go up to 185 lbs. to fight on TUF why couldn't Aldo or Faber move up to 155 to compete?

Saying premiere organization for fighters under 155 is meaningless to me. No, it didn't make him the best FW in the world at the time. Faber was never the best FW in the world. Wineland was never the "world" champion. Torres was also never the best in the world. So Serra beating GSP means he is the best in the world? Uh, no, it doesn't...you have no idea what you're talking about, at all.

Bullshit back tracking on his own bullshit. Suddenly WEC is legitimate to you? Bullshit. Look at your own previous post. I wont bring Venn Diagrams into it, because it seemingly confuses you. But at what point does the belt become legitimate to you? How the fuck does someone that possessed the championship in the same lineal path back in the past not have any credentials? Obviously the current champs have to build up their own credentials, right? So how do they do so in your world where everyone is shit before them? You named an exception in the rule with Serra, that hardly suggest a trend.

 

[lifelessheap]

LMAO. I've never seen that. Brilliant.

 

[kammfreudenstei]

That was a hell of a fight iirc

Condit had as many title defenses as Torres, and never went to a decision in a title defense. Torres went to a decision in his defense against Takeya Mizugaki. Only reason Condit didn't hold on to the title is because the higher weight class divisions in the WEC were absorbed into the UFC, which already had a champion.

 

[AtomicPanther]

Hard to call yourself a veteran with that sorry post count over the course of 8 years. Just sayin'

Is ~1800 posts in 8 years more sorry than ~4800 posts in 3 years? Just curious which is more pathetic.

 

[rpn453]

A loss to Maynard, the giant 155 wrestling behemoth? The guy who couldn't put Edgar away despite hitting him with numerous bombs? Yet the same Frankie Edgar in your opinion wouldn't be able to compete at 135/145? Sorry, but you're wrong.

I'm wrong? About a statement you make claiming that I think Edgar wouldn't be able to compete at 135/145 just because I don't think it's reasonable to simply assume that he, in his first year of competing as a professional fighter and with a 3-0 record, would beat the 12-1 Urijah Faber? Maybe he would at that point, or at some other point during Faber's reign. But he didn't prove it, so Faber gets to keep the title of real featherweight champion regardless of your Imaginationland Championship.

Edgar did perform better than Faber against Aldo and Faber hasn't changed much in the past 10 years style wise. Whereas Edgar has improved by extremely large margins.

So, Edgar has improved by extremely large margins in the last decade, while Faber has not. Yet it is certain that Edgar would have still beaten Faber ten years ago when Edgar had less than a year of professional experience. Got it.

Edgar could have easily cut to 135. He chose to fight tougher guys at a higher weight class in the UFC. Why didn't Aldo do the same, or Faber?

If you can claim Edgar was the best at a weight class he's never fought at, then I guess you can do it with anyone. I don't have the imagination to dispute that argument.

 

[TheNightmanCometh]

Bullshit back tracking on his own bullshit. Suddenly WEC is legitimate to you? Bullshit. Look at your own previous post. I wont bring Venn Diagrams into it, because it seemingly confuses you. But at what point does the belt become legitimate to you? How the fuck does someone that possessed the championship in the same lineal path back in the past not have any credentials? Obviously the current champs have to build up their own credentials, right? So how do they do so in your world where everyone is shit before them? You named an exception in the rule with Serra, that hardly suggest a trend.

Backtracking? When you exclude the comments those comments are in reply to you remove the context of said comments. Let me put it in context for you. When discussing the best fighters of the world...

"Saying premiere organization for fighters under 155 is meaningless to me."

Make sense? I stand by everything in my comments. I don't believe any of those fighters were ever the best in the world. Again, I never said anything about the legitimacy of WEC. I contested the idea that those fighters were the best in the world. You think Venn Diagrams confuse me? Venn Diagrams, the topic that is learned in elementary school? What indication have I given you that I don't understand Venn Diagrams? Exactly, you're reaching. Stop using the word legitimate, I never said anything about the legitimacy of the belt or the WEC. You tried this before, remember? Did you think something would change because you waited a few hours before trying the same angle?

Again, you need to get some reading comprehension. I never used the word "credentials". I never spoke about the "credentials" of any of the fighters. The only thing I discussed was my contention with the fighters listed as being the best in the world. I never used the word "shit" either. I beg you, please, please try and read more slowly because you are not understanding anything I'm writing.

 

[TheNightmanCometh]

I'm wrong? About a statement you make claiming that I think Edgar wouldn't be able to compete at 135/145 just because I don't think it's reasonable to simply assume that he, in his first year of competing as a professional fighter and with a 3-0 record, would beat the 12-1 Urijah Faber? Maybe he would at that point, or at some other point during Faber's reign. But he didn't prove it, so Faber gets to keep the title of real featherweight champion regardless of your Imaginationland Championship.

So, Edgar has improved by extremely large margins in the last decade, while Faber has not. Yet it is certain that Edgar would have still beaten Faber ten years ago when Edgar had less than a year of professional experience. Got it.

If you can claim Edgar was the best at a weight class he's never fought at, then I guess you can do it with anyone. I don't have the imagination to dispute that argument.

Ewww, you always know someone is feeling pressured when they start breaking the comment into multiple quotes. Yes, you're wrong. Edgar could have easily competed at 135 or 145 but chose to compete with the big dogs at 155. Faber has always been a one trick pony. A solid wrestler who likes to pot shot with right hands. Edgar didn't prove it? You mean going to 155 to compete with bigger men isn't proving how high his level of talent is? The "real" featherweight champion isn't what is being discussed. What is being discussed is who is the best fighter in the world. I don't think it was/is/or ever will be Faber. He is a magnificent fighter, but he just never held that spot. Bringing up Edgar's level of acceleration is to demonstrate his potential versus Faber's. "Got it." - Hahaha, I love when someone copies me. I never said Edgar would win 100%, and I'll never say that about any fight. Which is what you're implying with the word "certain", right?

Also I should have fact checked you earlier, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt which was a mistake. You're saying that Faber was 12-1 when Frankie was 3-0? Edgar's first fight was July 10th, 2005. Faber made his debut on November 13th, 2003. Frankie was 3-0 on December 10th, 2005. On December 11th, 2005 Faber's record was 11-1. Which is 10 fights in one year and nine months. The guy that beat Faber? Edgar beats him two years later. So please don't pretend like Edgar couldn't have beaten Faber. So Frankie Edgar fighting at 135 lbs. is beyond the realm of possibility to you? You're unable to compare fighters of two different weight classes? Interesting.

 

[Evangelion]

WEC for bantamweight and featherweight was definitely the premiere league, but it still was something like the UFC's women divisions today. Torres was a really good fighter, but he was simply the first really good fighter to distinguish himself in the division.

This is very true. When Faber and Torres ruled those divisions lacked the depth the Ufc divisions had

 

[Davemeddlehed]

Is ~1800 posts in 8 years more sorry than ~4800 posts in 3 years? Just curious which is more pathetic.

What's sorry is you trying to lord it over people that you've "been here" for 8 years, but you have barely been here for that 8 years. It's like calling yourself a 20 year resident of California when all you had was a summer home there.

 

[rpn453]

Ewww, you always know someone is feeling pressured when they start breaking the comment into multiple quotes. Yes, you're wrong. Edgar could have easily competed at 135 or 145 but chose to compete with the big dogs at 155. Faber has always been a one trick pony. A solid wrestler who likes to pot shot with right hands. Edgar didn't prove it? You mean going to 155 to compete with bigger men isn't proving how high his level of talent is? The "real" featherweight champion isn't what is being discussed. What is being discussed is who is the best fighter in the world. I don't think it was/is/or ever will be Faber. He is a magnificent fighter, but he just never held that spot. Bringing up Edgar's level of acceleration is to demonstrate his potential versus Faber's. "Got it." - Hahaha, I love when someone copies me. I never said Edgar would win 100%, and I'll never say that about any fight. Which is what you're implying with the word "certain", right?

Also I should have fact checked you earlier, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt which was a mistake. You're saying that Faber was 12-1 when Frankie was 3-0? Edgar's first fight was July 10th, 2005. Faber made his debut on November 13th, 2003. Frankie was 3-0 on December 10th, 2005. On December 11th, 2005 Faber's record was 11-1. Which is 10 fights in one year and nine months. The guy that beat Faber? Edgar beats him two years later. So please don't pretend like Edgar couldn't have beaten Faber. So Frankie Edgar fighting at 135 lbs. is beyond the realm of possibility to you? You're unable to compare fighters of two different weight classes? Interesting.

Urijah Faber was 12-1 on March 17, 2006, when he beat Cole Escovedo for the WEC FW title. Edgar was 3-0 at that time. Is that so hard to understand? Do you have anything useful to contribute to the conversation yet or are you going to just try to pick apart details?

Breaking your comment into multiple quotes was the only way to deal with your contradictory arguments.

You still haven't told us who you think are the best fighters of the era if the WEC champs aren't them. You have no point and no argument, and again you're trying to put words in my mouth. You are ridiculous and judging by the way you interact with people you probably have no friends. I will not be viewing any more of your posts.