I feel bad for former WEC Champs

[Lucifer Alpha]

I like Wineland but why would he be considered an all-time great? He won a regional title and then lost his first defense to Chase Beebe after Zuffa bought WEC.

 

[Beejay Pin]

Guys like Wineland, Faber, Bowles, Torres, etc...who will never be seen as One of the all time greats because they never won a UFC Title

Yet they were all World Champs at a time where the WEC was the top promotion for the lighter guys. It was the UFC for the Bantamweights, Featherweights...etc.

I don't hold the same belief for the WEC LW Belt, because the UFC LW division already existed and was the premiere organzation.

I feel bad for some of those guys who did become the best 145'ers/135'ers in the world at one point but will never be given the distinction of being an all time great due to not having a "UFC" title in their resume

100% expected this thread to be 'because they are all short'.

Minus the WW division obviously.

 

[Katsumi Yamada]

Edgar didn't fight at featherweight until long after WEC shut up shop, so he doesn't count in this discussion IMO.

Faber, MTB, Aldo, Torres, Bowles are all legit champions and WEC was the best promotion for <155lb.
Having said that, there were other promotions with great fighters. It wasn't a monopoly like UFC is today.

Kid Yamamoto (although he fought at 155), bibiano Fernandez, Marlon Sandro etc

 

[Kryptt]

Its kinda always like this tho - time to shine in the sun and all.

Note: I was addicted to WEC too!!!

 

[Bob Sapp Junior]

What's sorry is you trying to lord it over people that you've "been here" for 8 years, but you have barely been here for that 8 years. It's like calling yourself a 20 year resident of California when all you had was a summer home there.

No, he wasn't lording it over anyone. He was pointing out that this is a new account, because the last one got banned, because this is a troll.

EDIT: nevermind, you were calling out AtomicPanther. He's the dumbass.

 

[Kingofthestreets]

If you want to prove you are the best you have to figth in the ufc

 

[Fedor_GOAT_15-0Pride.]

Hey Bisping is my favorite 185er, but winning the pride belts and beating fedor and nog (forgot which one tbh) is very prestiges. Hendo is better than his record suggests.

He beat big nog in ring of kings tournamemt as well ab babalu and goodridge, HENDO is IMO P4p GOAT, he beat Fedor, Shogun ×2, Bisping, Babalu ×2, W Silva, Vitor, Bustamante, Feijo, Lombard, newton,

 

[Workaholic]

It is crazy. There are people on here who thought Bisping had a better career than Faber. Let that sink in... Bisping the career gatekeeper who just squeaked a win over Silva where he got knocked out and pulled off and incredible upset to win the belt but has yet to defend it had a better career than the man who dominated 145 for years. Not 135 where he has been top 2-3 for half a decade.... but 145. They belt Conor carries around with him is the exact same belt Urijah defended 6 times

 

[TheNightmanCometh]

Urijah Faber was 12-1 on March 17, 2006, when he beat Cole Escovedo for the WEC FW title. Edgar was 3-0 at that time. Is that so hard to understand? Do you have anything useful to contribute to the conversation yet or are you going to just try to pick apart details?

Breaking your comment into multiple quotes was the only way to deal with your contradictory arguments.

You still haven't told us who you think are the best fighters of the era if the WEC champs aren't them. You have no point and no argument, and again you're trying to put words in my mouth. You are ridiculous and judging by the way you interact with people you probably have no friends. I will not be viewing any more of your posts.

I already wrote out the timeframe, 11-1 in December when Edgar was 3-0, you were wrong, deal with it. No, breaking my comment into multiple quotes is what people do when they can no longer form a concise comment. Why is this? Because they're frustrated. Did you really ask me if I am going to pick apart details? When those details are wrong and you keep harping on them then yes, I will pick you apart for it.

Who is "US" exactly? You see it is little details like this that expose you as an individual who doesn't want a discussion, but as an individual more concerned with taking on popular opinions. Best fighters of the era? Did you already forget again what the topic is about? The topic, and yes I'll remind you because I'm kind, is about the BEST fighter in the world. The top guy, the number one fighter in the world, and that isn't Faber in my opinion. It was never Faber in my opinion, understand? I've made my point about 15 times now, but for some reason you can't get it through your thick skull. You're so frustrated with being shut down over and over you're now starting to speculate about my personal life. Here...

"You are ridiculous and judging by the way you interact with people you probably have no friends. I will not be viewing any more of your posts."

Boohooo, are you seriously a grown man? Save your tantrums for when mommy calls you up for dinner.

 

[Repsac]

I feel bad for some of those guys who did become the best 145'ers/135'ers in the world at one point but will never be given the distinction of being an all time great due to not having a "UFC" title in their resume

 

[120wrestling]

I already wrote out the timeframe, 11-1 in December when Edgar was 3-0, you were wrong, deal with it. No, breaking my comment into multiple quotes is what people do when they can no longer form a concise comment. Why is this? Because they're frustrated. Did you really ask me if I am going to pick apart details? When those details are wrong and you keep harping on them then yes, I will pick you apart for it.

Who is "US" exactly? You see it is little details like this that expose you as an individual who doesn't want a discussion, but as an individual more concerned with taking on popular opinions. Best fighters of the era? Did you already forget again what the topic is about? The topic, and yes I'll remind you because I'm kind, is about the BEST fighter in the world. The top guy, the number one fighter in the world, and that isn't Faber in my opinion. It was never Faber in my opinion, understand? I've made my point about 15 times now, but for some reason you can't get it through your thick skull. You're so frustrated with being shut down over and over you're now starting to speculate about my personal life. Here...

"You are ridiculous and judging by the way you interact with people you probably have no friends. I will not be viewing any more of your posts."

Boohooo, are you seriously a grown man? Save your tantrums for when mommy calls you up for dinner.

Is this still going on? I'm actually impressed how you're still going even after being wrong for so long.

My argument: WEC Champs are former world champions because the WEC was the #1 promotion for fighters under 155. UNDER, meaning 135 and 145. This is not up for debate, this is FACT.

You said that they aren't the best cause guys like Frankie and blah blah blah.

Frankie did not compete in that weight class....therefore your argument is null and void.

When Faber, Torres, and other former WEC Champs held the belt...they were the NUMBER 1 FIGHTERS IN THE WORLD AT THEIR WEIGHT CLASS. Just because Frankie could have been able to cut down and possibly beat them is irrelevant because he never fought them. That's like saying Jon Jones isn't the best Light Heavyweight because Stipe could cut and beat him. Could Stipe beat Jones? Maybe, but the fact is he's never fought Jon or competed at 205, therefore he is not the best.

Faber was the best 145'er in the world, Torres was the best 135'er in the world because

1. They competed in the top organization for their weight classes
2. They won the organizations respective belt
3. Defended it against their opposition

Why you keep mentioning Frankie is beyond me. He didn't compete in Fabers weight class nor did he hold the belt. So the idea "Frankie could have beat Faber" is retarded because like I said 1000 times so far, He never competed at 145 during Fabers run, nor is there any proof that he would have beat Faber at this time. Just cause he beat him a few years later doesn't indicate what would have happened in the past

 

[kimocomplex]

so much feeling sorry, there is medication for that

 

[TheNightmanCometh]

Is this still going on? I'm actually impressed how you're still going even after being wrong for so long.

My argument: WEC Champs are former world champions because the WEC was the #1 promotion for fighters under 155. UNDER, meaning 135 and 145. This is not up for debate, this is FACT.

You said that they aren't the best cause guys like Frankie and blah blah blah.

Frankie did not compete in that weight class....therefore your argument is null and void.

When Faber, Torres, and other former WEC Champs held the belt...they were the NUMBER 1 FIGHTERS IN THE WORLD AT THEIR WEIGHT CLASS. Just because Frankie could have been able to cut down and possibly beat them is irrelevant because he never fought them. That's like saying Jon Jones isn't the best Light Heavyweight because Stipe could cut and beat him. Could Stipe beat Jones? Maybe, but the fact is he's never fought Jon or competed at 205, therefore he is not the best.

Faber was the best 145'er in the world, Torres was the best 135'er in the world because

1. They competed in the top organization for their weight classes
2. They won the organizations respective belt
3. Defended it against their opposition

Why you keep mentioning Frankie is beyond me. He didn't compete in Fabers weight class nor did he hold the belt. So the idea "Frankie could have beat Faber" is retarded because like I said 1000 times so far, He never competed at 145 during Fabers run, nor is there any proof that he would have beat Faber at this time. Just cause he beat him a few years later doesn't indicate what would have happened in the past

If you're impressed that I am able to carry on a discussion on a forum then I shan't reveal my true talents. Saying I'm wrong doesn't make me wrong, you know that right? Where did I ever say that WEC didn't have 135/145 pound divisions? Did I say that anywhere? I don't think so, but your attempt at using the word FACT as a meaningful statement is noted.

Yes, Frankie has competed at 145 and could compete at 135 if he wanted. He chose to fight in a bigger organization at a higher weight, does that make him more of a fighter or less of a fighter than someone like Faber? Mind you Frankie Edgar is only 5'6" with a slim build and Faber is 5'6" with a thicker build. Yet in your mind Faber was the number one guy in the world at 145, right? Torres was the number one guy in the world despite being 5'9" and killing himself to make 135, right? Because since WEC was the only game in town that means they are WORLD champions, right? I don't agree and this argument has existed in other sports as well. So...deal with it.

You think Stipe is going to make light heavyweight? In your mind what is more plausible Frankie Edgar going down to 135/145 or Stipe Micoic going down to 205 at 6'4" and 240 lbs.? Has Stipe ever competed at light heavyweight? Who has Stipe beaten at light heavyweight? No one? He has never made that weight? Okay, has Frankie ever made 145? Has Frankie ever considered making 135? Who has Frankie beat at 145? Is it more or less plausible that Frankie could compete at 135/145 where Stipe couldn't compete at 205? Do you see the difference and why your comparison is bogus?

The biggest indicator that Frankie would beat Faber in my mind is when Edgar beat Tyson Griffin two years after Tyson TKO'd Faber. Edgar has always shown more potential as a fighter than Faber. Urijah is a magnificent fighter, but in my mind he was never the best in the world.

 

[J Danger]

I was a huge Bowles fan but Faber took his fucking soul and I'm pretty sure he's in jail for drugs now.

 

[TheNightmanCometh]

It is crazy. There are people on here who thought Bisping had a better career than Faber. Let that sink in... Bisping the career gatekeeper who just squeaked a win over Silva where he got knocked out and pulled off and incredible upset to win the belt but has yet to defend it had a better career than the man who dominated 145 for years. Not 135 where he has been top 2-3 for half a decade.... but 145. They belt Conor carries around with him is the exact same belt Urijah defended 6 times

How can Bisping be a career gatekeeper if he just got his first title shot after nearly 10 years in the UFC, and won? You have no idea what it takes to compete at a high level in combat sports. So arrogant! Faber dominated 145 for years? You mean two years, right? The absolute minimum amount of years for the word year to become years. No, the WEC belt is not the same belt as the UFC belt, sorry. I don't care if WEC got absorbed, the belt isn't the same.

 

[gevoudane]

Frank Shamrock, Chris Leben, Nick Diaz, Karo Parisyan, Carlos Condit, Gilbert Melendez, Ben Henderson, Anthony Pettis, Uriah Faber, Jose Aldo, Doninick Cruz are all former WEC champions that people see as some of the best in the world and showed the WEC was one of the premier orgs.

 

[dmwalking]

Not that big a deal. They still had great careers.

 

[Workaholic]

No, the WEC belt is not the same belt as the UFC belt, sorry. I don't care if WEC got absorbed, the belt isn't the same.

Next time lead with this so I can tell you don't know wtf you're talking about right off the bat and don't have to read through the rest
Smh only on sherdog can someone say you don't know about combat sports and then say the WEC and UFC 135 and 145 belts aren't the exact same thing. It's literally the exact same division they just moved it. Same champs, same contenders, even the same match maker. They even made a big show of giving Cruz both belts just to make sure it was obvious to even the stupidest of mma fans

 

[Gigaton Punch]

Torres' record was inflated as fuck. Him and Faber are not in the same class at all. Torres was a good fighter but the division was still very young at the time when he was champ. Just look at the guys he best during his reign. Bebee, Maeda, Tapia, Mizugaki. Mizugaki is the only guy on that list who didn't flame out the instant the division started to fill out. And Mizugaki hardly got crushed, that was a very competitive fight.
Not saying Torres was a bad fighter but his dominance is overstated and the division was nowhere close to what it is now

 

[120wrestling]

If you're impressed that I am able to carry on a discussion on a forum then I shan't reveal my true talents. Saying I'm wrong doesn't make me wrong, you know that right? Where did I ever say that WEC didn't have 135/145 pound divisions? Did I say that anywhere? I don't think so, but your attempt at using the word FACT as a meaningful statement is noted.

Yes, Frankie has competed at 145 and could compete at 135 if he wanted. He chose to fight in a bigger organization at a higher weight, does that make him more of a fighter or less of a fighter than someone like Faber? Mind you Frankie Edgar is only 5'6" with a slim build and Faber is 5'6" with a thicker build. Yet in your mind Faber was the number one guy in the world at 145, right? Torres was the number one guy in the world despite being 5'9" and killing himself to make 135, right? Because since WEC was the only game in town that means they are WORLD champions, right? I don't agree and this argument has existed in other sports as well. So...deal with it.

You think Stipe is going to make light heavyweight? In your mind what is more plausible Frankie Edgar going down to 135/145 or Stipe Micoic going down to 205 at 6'4" and 240 lbs.? Has Stipe ever competed at light heavyweight? Who has Stipe beaten at light heavyweight? No one? He has never made that weight? Okay, has Frankie ever made 145? Has Frankie ever considered making 135? Who has Frankie beat at 145? Is it more or less plausible that Frankie could compete at 135/145 where Stipe couldn't compete at 205? Do you see the difference and why your comparison is bogus?

The biggest indicator that Frankie would beat Faber in my mind is when Edgar beat Tyson Griffin two years after Tyson TKO'd Faber. Edgar has always shown more potential as a fighter than Faber. Urijah is a magnificent fighter, but in my mind he was never the best in the world.

I understand what you're saying. I think regardless of eras, Frankie would have always beaten Faber. And yes he could have made the weight. But the point is, Faber was the best 145lb fighter in the world at one point, Frankie did not weigh 145lbs when Faber did, just cause he could have made the weight doesn't hold any bearing. Could Frankie have cut down and beat him? Probably. But he never weighed 145 or competed at 145...therefore he was not the best 145'er around. Urijah when he held the WEC title was the best 145'er available.