I am an ex-Scientologist. (LONG read)

[rljon]

I heard they had L.Ron Hubbards body immedietely burned after his death because the autopsy found all kind of anti-anxeity, behavior modify drugs which goes against one of their major teachings that he made up. Didnt they say he felw or they saw his spirt fly off the Zenu or something to explain no body.

 

[willhaven720]

I tried to locate a website that could provide a catalog of vitamins/supplements endorsed or approved by Scientology.

At this point I would be happy to find a website of ANY approved products that go beyond Scientology literature and Bridge Publications.

While I realize it is difficult to establish the difference between a legit company that just happens to be run by a Scientologist and a company that aims to benefit/fund/propagate Scientology... with all the experience you have had in the organization, I would assume you could enlighten us on this topic.

Hell, when I was a little kid and saw Dianetics commercials, I didn't have the slightest clue it was related to Scientology because they didn't make it obvious (I was a kid so I didn't give a shit, anyway). Similarly, there HAVE to be other products/services that don't SCREAM Scientology but those who know "just know."

Forgive me if I seem like I am belaboring the point, but the more heat that comes down on groups like Scientology, the more they are going to have to disguise their practices, to the point where we could very well unknowingly be supporting them with ordinary purchases. Ya know?

I'm not an authority on what every scientologist business owner does. But I can tell you that all of them are pushed to sell scientology books and services to their customers and employees. It's a big part of the game. Constant, unrelenting pressure...

"Sell them a book! Bring them in to watch the Orientation film! Sign them up for a course! Bring them to the event! Get them in session! Make sure it's done before 2 on Thursday! We need to win the 'Birthday Game' this year! START!"

The Birthday Game is where all the churches compete to see who has done the best for the year. The year ends on Hubbard's birthday in March. Winning the game is a big deal but only for bragging writes. I've personally seen the winner fixed anyway. But that doesn't stop anyone from using production quotas to demand more from staff and church members. It gets to be pretty insane, pretty fast.

The other thing you have to realize is that when you or anyone signs up someone else for a scientology service, you are given a commission. It's called an FSM (Field Staff Member) commission, which I believe is between 10%-15%, depending on the type of service or item sold. If you work for the church directly, the commission drops to as low as 2.5%, if I remember correctly.

So the point is, people make money in their scientology businesses and them make more selling actual scientology to their customers and employees. But that's not the end of the world.

The first thing that needs to be done is that the religious tax exemption needs to be stripped away. That will change the game in a big way.

Then the rules for labor and service need to be regulated, just as a psychic friends network or a casino would be...

"18+ Only!"

"For Entertainment Purposes Only!"

"No Scientology in Schools!"


Basically just leave the fucking kids out of it. Let them make up their own minds when they are grown up and can think for themselves. This will take away a good chunk of their labor force. For which they would have to pay at least minimum wage with regulated hours and overtime. It's a big deal.

The members need to sign waivers before they start any service, giving the church permission to pull them out of a hospital if psychiatric care is being recommended, and to have that member put away on the "introspection rundown" like Lisa McPherson was.

In other words, if you should choose to live like a scientologist, you ARE choosing to die like one. And that fact should be stated clearly on day one of your membership to the church.

If you don't like those terms, you don't get to do any service in a church of scientology...

"Sorry folks. Here, L Ron Hubbard's words are followed to the letter. And if you subscribe to any of it, you subscribe to all of it as a member. You can read all the books you want at home or wherever. But no service of any kind will be performed before you sign your life away to the church."

On that note I'd like to say that we should all have those rights to die in the way we choose. Lisa made her choice when she signed up with them, whether or not she knew it at the time. So in that regard, I'd call her death "2 parts murder, 1 part suicide."

I'll stop there.

 

[japanese steel]

Thanks for the amazing thread Will. This is probably the most insightful and informative thread I have ever read on Sherdog. Congrats on getting away from that crazy ass shit and hope everything works out for you. I never really knew much about the COS before this thread and I am glad I clicked on it, because it has me completed fascinated about the whole subject and I actually feel compelled to research it some more and possibly join the protest.

No doubt that these people need to be stopped before they cause anymore damage.


Edit: I also used to work as a poker/blackjack dealer at a native casino in South Dakota. That was probably the only job I have ever had that I absolutely loved being at. Had fun and made bank too. Poker is my thing

 

[Darwinist]

Darwinist's expansive and remarkably detailed knowledge of totally random topics is absolutely incredible sometimes. Rarely does he post something this long that doesn't completely draw me in.

Why thank you, I

 

[Violent Designs**]

One thing that disgust me about the USA and most of Europe.

They let these type of organizations fly free out of "freedom" or "democracy" but you can see them destroying the CULTURE, the STATUS QUO, and STABILITY. Both moral, social, and familial stability.

If they did this type shit in the PRC (People's Republic of China) these fucking leaders would be fucking EXECUTED for preaching immorality and false religious beliefs, just like those Falun Gong fuckers trying to cram their disgusting occult and mysticism bullshit on everybody in the PRC. We have a lot of uneducated people, well hundreds of millions who could potentially fall victim to their scandalous teachings (any religion really).

The public must be protected from these anti-establishment and anti-cultural movements whether they are religious or political in nature. If the USA had any sort of backbone they would have EXECUTED and BANNED this fucking "religion" already.

 

[IndyCovaHart]

One thing that disgust me about the USA and most of Europe.

They let these type of organizations fly free out of "freedom" or "democracy" but you can see them destroying the CULTURE, the STATUS QUO, and STABILITY. Both moral, social, and familial stability.

If they did this type shit in the PRC (People's Republic of China) these fucking leaders would be fucking EXECUTED for preaching immorality and false religious beliefs, just like those Falun Gong fuckers trying to cram their disgusting occult and mysticism bullshit on everybody in the PRC. We have a lot of uneducated people, well hundreds of millions who could potentially fall victim to their scandalous teachings (any religion really).

The public must be protected from these anti-establishment and anti-cultural movements whether they are religious or political in nature. If the USA had any sort of backbone they would have EXECUTED and BANNED this fucking "religion" already.

But, yet... Scientology is caught and convicted of a systematic and sophisticated infiltration of government and many years later.... "CONGRATS, BOYS!!! YOU'RE TAX EXEMPT, NOW!!!"

The idea of ANY church being tax exempt is open to debate, much less fringe churches, and MUCH less churches that were once caught BREAKING INTO IRS buildings.

<shakes head>

P.S. - Oh... was it mentioned that one of the people convicted and imprisoned was the WIFE of the founder?

 

[willhaven720]

Thanks for the amazing thread Will. This is probably the most insightful and informative thread I have ever read on Sherdog. Congrats on getting away from that crazy ass shit and hope everything works out for you. I never really knew much about the COS before this thread and I am glad I clicked on it, because it has me completed fascinated about the whole subject and I actually feel compelled to research it some more and possibly join the protest.

No doubt that these people need to be stopped before they cause anymore damage.


Edit: I also used to work as a poker/blackjack dealer at a native casino in South Dakota. That was probably the only job I have ever had that I absolutely loved being at. Had fun and made bank too. Poker is my thing

hahah right on! Yeah, poker is a lot of fun. I make better tips in 21 though. Otherwise I'd still be dealing hold em. Seriously, my favorite two days a year are when I get to deal the big no-limit tournament. They have it every six months.

Thanks for taking such an interest in the subject. Any and all support will be greatly appreciated.

Believe that.

Let me know if you need any help in your research. There are no stupid questions here. This bullshit, pseudo-scientific "religion" was made made as complicated as possible by design. You will find many contradictions and conflicting datums within it's own scripture and policy. Not to mention a friggin ass-parade's worth of invented terms used by L Ron Hubbard to indoctrinate. It's seriously enough to stop anyone mid-paragraph. But don't get caught up in it. That's for the scientologists to fall asleep to whilst they are studying it with 3 dictionaries open at the same time. It is madness.

 

[willhaven720]

But, yet... Scientology is caught and convicted of a systematic and sophisticated infiltration of government and many years later.... "CONGRATS, BOYS!!! YOU'RE TAX EXEMPT, NOW!!!"

The idea of ANY church being tax exempt is open to debate, much less fringe churches, and MUCH less churches that were once caught BREAKING INTO IRS buildings.

<shakes head>

P.S. - Oh... was it mentioned that one of the people convicted and imprisoned was the WIFE of the founder?

And another one of the members convicted in this case is back in the church doing services again.


Jane Kember

 

[Denter]

One thing that disgust me about the USA and most of Europe.

They let these type of organizations fly free out of "freedom" or "democracy" but you can see them destroying the CULTURE, the STATUS QUO, and STABILITY. Both moral, social, and familial stability.

If they did this type shit in the PRC (People's Republic of China) these fucking leaders would be fucking EXECUTED for preaching immorality and false religious beliefs, just like those Falun Gong fuckers trying to cram their disgusting occult and mysticism bullshit on everybody in the PRC. We have a lot of uneducated people, well hundreds of millions who could potentially fall victim to their scandalous teachings (any religion really).

The public must be protected from these anti-establishment and anti-cultural movements whether they are religious or political in nature. If the USA had any sort of backbone they would have EXECUTED and BANNED this fucking "religion" already.

I dont know anything about Falun Gong, but no one deserves to be executed or imprisoned for their beleifs, no matter how crazy they are. Actions are what matter.

 

[willhaven720]

I dont know anything about Falun Gong, but no one deserves to be executed or imprisoned for their beleifs, no matter how crazy they are. Actions are what matter.

Well said, Denter.

I like the way this dude put it actually. It had me rolling.

Good luck with everything Will! Keep fighting the good fight. I'd love to see those Scientologist fucks try any of their shit here in China haha. I bet they'd have a lovely spot reserved for them next to the Falun Gong in the Organ Donation hospitals rofl.

I think the point they are both trying to make is that when you have a guy like L Ron Hubbard never actually seeing the inside of a prision cell, not to mention his management team still running the church today...

That's how you know you have an ineffective government and a corrupt justice system. Not that China is a beacon of light or something. But I would pay big moniez for front row seats to watch their swift justice at work against folks like Miscavige.

Old school. Dirty. Good times.

 

[NaglfarCommando]

You should talk to Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Have them help you in this crusade.

 

[Cerberus87]

I understand your concern. And I appreciate it. But anything could happen to me at anytime. You all need to know I exist. And in the worst case scenario, to know what happened. Which would never, in a million years, be a suicide.

I have no fear for them or anyone. Least of all, the wonderful individuals who have been following along with this thread, like yourself.

Will Fry
1030 Larrabee
Santa Maria, CA 93455
I do not need to list my apartment #. There aren't that many.

The press knows, the cops know, my work, friends, family, apartment manager... They all know. But you, who have read my story, should know too. You can tell the world if I cannot.

And as always (when in the neighborhood), the coffee is always hot. Believe that. lol Just PM first.

Cheers!

Very smart move, publicity makes you a little safer. TTT it's the least I can do after such a good read.

 

[Scruff Dog]

Very smart move, publicity makes you a little safer. TTT it's the least I can do after such a good read.

to quote somebody from another board, it seems kind of strange that he would give up the strongest protection of being involved with anons... being anon yourself

with that said, hopefully some folks other than confused OSA employees will be keeping an eye on slick willy here.

 

[willhaven720]

You should talk to Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Have them help you in this crusade.

Great idea! Could you PM me their cells? Super.

lmao

<<< had one glass of wine for like the first time in a year. Prime filet was deserving of a proper cab. A-maze-za-zing.

inb4triptothedentist

 

[Denter]

Great idea! Could you PM me their cells? Super.

lmao

<<< had one glass of wine for like the first time in a year. Prime filet was deserving of a proper cab. A-maze-za-zing.

inb4triptothedentist

Billy, you are living in the right part of the country if yer fixing to get into wine.

Im a bit of a mild wine enthusiast myself. Red wine and scotch is pretty much all I drink anymore.

Ive always fancied taking a trip to Sonoma, etc. Hasnt quite panned out yet, but we'll see.

 

[NaglfarCommando]

You'd be surprised the power I have. MUAHAHAHAHA

 

[chanwahyaoh]

Okay, I just committed half a day's worth of "time theft" from my employer enjoying this thread.

Is anyone else reminded of this by Will & his story?

 

[Violent Designs**]

I dont know anything about Falun Gong, but no one deserves to be executed or imprisoned for their beleifs, no matter how crazy they are. Actions are what matter.

I disagree. False teachings and poisonous beliefs destroy cultural ethics, morality, and traditional family values. Such dissent must be punished swiftly and violent to preserver the cultural wholeness of the nation, no matter how large it is.

Let something go unpunished on the village level, it will spread to the cities.

Let something go unpunished on the city level, it will spread to the provinces.

Let something go unpunished on the provincial level, it will spread to the nation.

Therefore, the ROOT must be pulled out and burned before the tree can grow.

 

[TheMMAn]

I disagree. False teachings and poisonous beliefs destroy cultural ethics, morality, and traditional family values. Such dissent must be punished swiftly and violent to preserver the cultural wholeness of the nation, no matter how large it is.

Let something go unpunished on the village level, it will spread to the cities.

Let something go unpunished on the city level, it will spread to the provinces.

Let something go unpunished on the provincial level, it will spread to the nation.

Therefore, the ROOT must be pulled out and burned before the tree can grow.

ahhh.... if not for that pesky matter of WHO determines what is poisonous, and what is not. Almost worked on Galileo.

Hitler and Stalin would appreciate the sentiment, though.

 

[StinkFist**]

Tom would not be proud