How would u do rolling with Kimbo

[theocean]

I think his pure size and strength would give a lot of mediocre grapplers trouble. not that hed sub people but im sure he could lay n pray on a good portion of people

 

[Systemanoob**]

Forget all this jiu-jitsu nonsense. I'd knock his ass out in the first.

Seriously though, I couldn't tap Kimbo. I said a long time ago half of Sherdog could though and I was flamed to bits here. Now everyone thinks they can tap Kimbo?

 

[judofarmerbob]

I'd catch him. Gi or No Gi. 6'4" 195.

 

[georgejjr]

Impossible to say without going against him (or having seen him against someone I've gone against). Its the TV syndrome ... I know lot's of guys who figure they're better than some of the bench warmers in the NHL judging by what they see on TV, but I'm pretty skeptical. Not that the depth in MMA is what it is in the NHL (even the bench warmers are paid $500,000 a year and up to put on a pair of skates), but in general someone with a lot of athleticism can get away with mistakes against non-pros that show up badly on TV against other pros.

I'd like to know how athletic Kimbo is first ... he looks very beatable, but then the Maple Leafs look very beatable every year too, but I suspect I couldn't make the team :icon_chee

 

[el_cazador]

He looked horrible against JT.... he's got strength but not much else it seems.

I'd like to roll with him. I wouldn't be giving up any size and I've got a year or two of this grappling stuff under my belt

 

[hayliks]

i dont know if everyone would be tapped, but i luagh when a bunch of white and blue belts say they would tap out a pro mma fighter whos a solid 240 lbs of muscle and has been training grappling probobly for the past year or two, he didnt look good against thompson, but thompson is huge and kimbo outmuscled him a couple of times...hed prolly outmuscle any average 170 lb blue belt.

i was joking about emailing kimbo the thread, but it is kindof funny since kimbo is known to take internet challanges seriously, and it would be funny if he called some of the posters out

btw, i dont like kimbo, but this thread is just beyond dumb

I think most legitimate blue belts should be able to tap Kimbo without too much problem and like Balto said, if you have a blue belt and you can't tap Kimbo, you probably don't deserve it. If Kimbo called me out, I would tap him in EASILY less than 2 minutes, and if he didn't tap, that's because he's dumb and he'd be laying there with his foot/leg facing 180 degrees the other way from a heel hook.

 

[hayliks]

Impossible to say without going against him (or having seen him against someone I've gone against). Its the TV syndrome ... I know lot's of guys who figure they're better than some of the bench warmers in the NHL judging by what they see on TV, but I'm pretty skeptical. Not that the depth in MMA is what it is in the NHL (even the bench warmers are paid $500,000 a year and up to put on a pair of skates), but in general someone with a lot of athleticism can get away with mistakes against non-pros that show up badly on TV against other pros.

I'd like to know how athletic Kimbo is first ... he looks very beatable, but then the Maple Leafs look very beatable every year too, but I suspect I couldn't make the team :icon_chee

This is true as well. I've underestimated how good some guys are by watching them on TV and then actually trained with them and been proven otherwise, but at the same time I've also overestimated some guys as well. I simply don't think that's the case with Kimbo, he is no BJ Penn, he's not training strictly grappling, but strictly MMA, meaning his 18 months of training does not even mean 18 months bjj. He is a white belt, MAYBE 1 stripe in bjj.

What people generally don't understand is how much the game changes when striking is involved. I'm not saying I could take Kimbo in a MMA fight, but grappling, easily.

At the end of the day, Kimbo showed that he lacks a lot of fundamentals in bjj, as of his showing the other night, I would bet money on nearly any 3stripe or more blue belt in the world to tap Kimbo in under 5 minutes.

 

[jjmuaythaiguy]

First in a grappling only match I would ask him to shave that beard off. Have you ever rolled with a person with a long beard like that (zztop style)? Its damn irritating. I rolled with a guy who I was working with in class and when that beard touched my face and nose I was disgusted. I can roll with people with dreadlocks since I rarely taking the back and eating the dreads.

I'd give it a chance in straight grappling. I weigh more than him so theres always that. But he looks like a strong mofo. If I have him in my guard I would feel okay. Of course he got a chance to pass but to me my guard could survive his muscles so its pretty safe. If I am on top then its over for him, muscles or not.

JT leaned to way over which gave Kimbo a bridge escape. IF my knee was over the arm, all my weight would have been on that arm while the other foot grabbed his hip with toes out / knees close and the armdid whatever for the submissions.

I'm a superheavy weight Relson Gracie purple.

 

[Kimuralex]

I think most legitimate blue belts should be able to tap Kimbo without too much problem and like Balto said, if you have a blue belt and you can't tap Kimbo, you probably don't deserve it. If Kimbo called me out, I would tap him in EASILY less than 2 minutes, and if he didn't tap, that's because he's dumb and he'd be laying there with his foot/leg facing 180 degrees the other way from a heel hook.

hayliks where you been man? there was a thread that was just asking to have some of your flames in it...i was looking forward to reading them, but the thread was just moved(the grappling dick grabbing while rolling thread):icon_cry2:icon_cry2

 

[chardog]

this thread is terrible. People forget that kimbo is 235lb's of muscle and has some training. Kimbo's mma fight does not show his true grappling skills. In a real competition, people do a lot different than just rolling on the mat. Look at lutter for example. It's safe to say that most people would not be able to tap kimbo.... Grappling with a guy that wide and strong should be a lot more difficult than going against a guy in your club who happens to weigh as much as kimbo.

Retarded thread.

 

[hayliks]

hayliks where you been man? there was a thread that was just asking to have some of your flames in it...i was looking forward to reading them, but the thread was just moved(the grappling dick grabbing while rolling thread):icon_cry2:icon_cry2

I don't have the patience to even open stupid threads like that.

 

[georgejjr]

This is true as well. I've underestimated how good some guys are by watching them on TV and then actually trained with them and been proven otherwise, but at the same time I've also overestimated some guys as well. I simply don't think that's the case with Kimbo, he is no BJ Penn, he's not training strictly grappling, but strictly MMA, meaning his 18 months of training does not even mean 18 months bjj. He is a white belt, MAYBE 1 stripe in bjj.

What people generally don't understand is how much the game changes when striking is involved. I'm not saying I could take Kimbo in a MMA fight, but grappling, easily.

At the end of the day, Kimbo showed that he lacks a lot of fundamentals in bjj, as of his showing the other night, I would bet money on nearly any 3stripe or more blue belt in the world to tap Kimbo in under 5 minutes.

You're probably right, but its also hard to judge how someone's pure grappling is by what they do in MMA. As you say, it changes everything. He might conceivably look better at pure grappling when not having punches thrown at him (it takes awhile to get used to that, and he's fairly new to grappling).

In the back of my mind I have a guy from our club who didn't make the provincial team to the Canadian nationals in the early 90's because of an injury. He watched some tapes of the guy who won, and figured he could take the guy. Turned out the tapes were from international tournaments, and the guy's name was Nicolas Gill, who went on to get a bronze in the 92 olympics (and a silver in the 2000 olympics) - I still tease my friend about his assessment (asking him if Judo Canada has asked him to be a talent scout yet :icon_twis). I should note that my friend's (and mine) chance at winning an olympic medal in judo are roughly the same as his winning a Nobel Prize in physics ... its what Newton had in mind when he created the concept of limits, ie lim x-> 0 :icon_chee

Not that Kimbo is anywhere near Gill's level, but things are just different when you watch someone on TV fighting tough competition. There probably are guys on the group who would beat Kimbo in pure grappling, and I'd like to think I'd beat him myself (I'm big enough to do it, though a bit long in the tooth), but then I think about athleticism and the fact that all he does is train ...

 

[hayliks]

You're probably right, but its also hard to judge how someone's pure grappling is by what they do in MMA. As you say, it changes everything. He might conceivably look better at pure grappling when not having punches thrown at him (it takes awhile to get used to that, and he's fairly new to grappling).

In the back of my mind I have a guy from our club who didn't make the provincial team to the Canadian nationals in the early 90's because of an injury. He watched some tapes of the guy who won, and figured he could take the guy. Turned out the tapes were from international tournaments, and the guy's name was Nicolas Gill, who went on to get a bronze in the 92 olympics (and a silver in the 2000 olympics) - I still tease my friend about his assessment (asking him if Judo Canada has asked him to be a talent scout yet :icon_twis). I should note that my friends (and mine) chance at winning an olympic medal in judo are roughly the same as his winning a Nobel Prize in physics ... its what Newton had in mind when he though of the limit as x-> 0 :icon_chee

Not that Kimbo is anywhere near Gill's level, but things are just different when you watch someone on TV fighting tough competition. There probably are guys on the group who would beat Kimbo in pure grappling, and I'd like to think I'd beat him myself (I'm big enough to do it, though a bit long in the tooth), but then I think about athleticism and the fact that all he does is train ...

Like I said, I'm guilty of doing that too, but I've also overestimated the grappling ability of some UFC fighters. I simply don't think Kimbo is one though. I would simply quit training altogether if I couldn't submit a guy with 18 months experience, no matter how much bigger and stronger he was than me.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

I would roll with Kimbo. Im about the same size as him and I dont know what he benches or anything but I think Id have a shot at subbing him.

 

[FWTG]

I think its funny how everyone here can beat all of the champions. So how many of you are actually UFC/Elite XC/ WEC...Etc world champions. We are watching a guy who is fighting in MMA and saying things about what could be done in a JJ tourny. Things change when people punch you in the head.

He has some big holes in his game but at the same time he was not in a grappling match.

Who in this thread said they think they could tap champions? Were talking about kimbo. lol

 

[anaconda]

this thread is terrible. People forget that kimbo is 235lb's of muscle and has some training. Kimbo's mma fight does not show his true grappling skills. In a real competition, people do a lot different than just rolling on the mat. Look at lutter for example. It's safe to say that most people would not be able to tap kimbo.... Grappling with a guy that wide and strong should be a lot more difficult than going against a guy in your club who happens to weigh as much as kimbo.

Retarded thread.

Umm...whats the Lutter example? I dont get it.

 

[ccl2087]

i'd catch him, not trying to sound like a bad ass or anything but even at 180 i roll with some 250+ guys and hold my own and they actually know what they're doing so i'm pretty sure i'd be fine

 

[Balto]

I think its funny how everyone here can beat all of the champions. So how many of you are actually UFC/Elite XC/ WEC...Etc world champions. We are watching a guy who is fighting in MMA and saying things about what could be done in a JJ tourny. Things change when people punch you in the head.

He has some big holes in his game but at the same time he was not in a grappling match.

I never said anything about beating a champion. What exactly is Kimbo supposed to be the champion of again? Fixed backyard bareknuckle boxing matches filmed on handheld camera by internet pornographers?

The truth is, Kimbo belongs on the undercard at a smaller promotion. He is a very low level MMA fighter at the moment. Implying that he is the champion of anything of note is insulting to all the real MMA champions out there.

The question is not whether I could beat an MMA champion in a grappling match. The question is whether or not I could beat Kimbo Slice -- a low level MMA fighter. It also happens to be true that Kimbo Slice has extremely limited grappling experience even considering the fact that he is a low level MMA fighter. Given these facts, I do believe I could beat Kimbo in a grappling match.

Please do not further disgrace MMA by implying that Kimbo is a legitimate athletic champion.

 

[BooBooKitty]

but then I think about athleticism and the fact that all he does is train ...

I disagree, training isn't all he does. He smokes, drinks, and smokes weed. That is HARDLY a good training regimen.

 

[NJrocks]

I think most legitimate blue belts should be able to tap Kimbo without too much problem and like Balto said, if you have a blue belt and you can't tap Kimbo, you probably don't deserve it.

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