How far can garry tonon go in the UFC

[hswrestler]

He's a current one fc featherweight fighting for the championship against thanh le on december 6th. He's been on a 6-0 win streak since heading to one fc finishing all his opponents except for Koyomi Matsushima, a quality win which he won by UD. Pretty impressive considering many top UFC guys haven't been as successful as him in one.

Outside of mma he's won bronze in ADCC, 2 golds in no gis , bronze in absolute for no go, gold for absolute in pans as well as numerous EBIs and superfights. He'd definitely have the most credentials in bjj/grappling in the division.

Here is a clip of his striking

 

[JustOnce]

He's a current one fc featherweight fighting for the championship against martin nguyen on december 6th. He's been on a 6-0 win streak since heading to one fc finishing all his opponents except for Koyomi Matsushima, a quality win which he won by UD.

Outside of mma he's won bronze in ADCC, 2 golds in no gis , bronze in absolute for no go, gold for absolute in pans as well as numerous EBIs and superfights. He'd definitely have the best bjj in the division.

Well Davi Ramos is in LW.

Who knows, I don't think he will come over to the UFC though. It just depends on how good his other area of games are.

Kron's probably better but he lost once and kinda quit I think.
Hall is probably comparable, but got shut out in his last fight.
Rodolfo is probably better too, but he gassed hard two fights ago.
Lovato is also probably better, but he retired. This guy looked really promising though.

I think Rani Yahya is good comparison. Because if you watch him fight, he's good but he can get shut down and we have a lot of MMA fights to look at.

So it entirely depends on how good his MMA skills are.

 

[JustOnce]

Even Roger got shut down by Tim Kennedy. So in this day and age, it really depends on your entire skill set.

Even Marcelo couldn't submit the guy in his debut.

The only guy who might be able to go far regardless might be Gordon Ryan, but I doubt that.

 

[Cameron]

Well Davi Ramos is in LW.

Who knows, I don't think he will come over to the UFC though. It just depends on how good his other area of games are.

Kron's probably better but he lost once and kinda quit I think.
Hall is probably comparable, but got shut out in his last fight.
Rodolfo is probably better too, but he gassed hard two fights ago.
Lovato is also probably better, but he retired. This guy looked really promising though.

I think Rani Yahya is good comparison. Because if you watch him fight, he's good but he can get shut down and we have a lot of MMA fights to look at.

So it entirely depends on how good his MMA skills are.

Those guys you listed are better in terms of straight grappling. Tonon's style doesn't translate the best to all grappling rule sets, add to the fact that he can be overly aggressive which gets him into bad positions.

For mma though

He has way better wrestling and is a better athlete than a Yahya
He has a way deeper gas tank thank a Rodolfo
No brain issues like Lovato
And more drive than a Kron

I think he has a much higher ceiling than all the aforementioned. That being said I think he should stay in One for a while and really cut his teeth before making the transition to the UFC. So he can truly develop as an overall Martial Artist.

 

[Cameron]

Even Roger got shut down by Tim Kennedy. So in this day and age, it really depends on your entire skill set.

Even Marcelo couldn't submit the guy in his debut.

The only guy who might be able to go far regardless might be Gordon Ryan, but I doubt that.

Ryan would go far based on skill. But if you listen to Nicky Rod talk about his heart I don't know if he can stomach the grind of MMA full time to go that far. That is also highly speculative but would be interesting to see.

Gary on the other hand has heart for days.

 

[JustOnce]

Those guys you listed are better in terms of straight grappling. Tonon's style doesn't translate the best to all grappling rule sets, add to the fact that he can be overly aggressive which gets him into bad positions.

For mma thought

He has way better wrestling and is a better athlete than a Yahya
He has a way deeper gas tank thank a Rodolfo
No brain issues like Lovato
And more drive than a Kron

I think he has a much higher ceiling than all the aforementioned. That being said I think he should stay in One for a while and really cut his teeth before making the transition to the UFC. So he can truly develop as an overall Martial Artist.

Well he's 30 years old. If he stay in ONE for a while...not sure if he can make a run.

Lovato was great. Mousasi almost always only loses to elite fighters. Lovato was very legit. It's really too bad about him. It kinda showed how good Mousasi's grappling was too tho.

 

[johnyboy]

Even Roger got shut down by Tim Kennedy. So in this day and age, it really depends on your entire skill set.

Even Marcelo couldn't submit the guy in his debut.

The only guy who might be able to go far regardless might be Gordon Ryan, but I doubt that.

Really? I think Ryan may be the worst to transition to MMA from the old dds

 

[hswrestler]

Even Roger got shut down by Tim Kennedy. So in this day and age, it really depends on your entire skill set.

Even Marcelo couldn't submit the guy in his debut.

The only guy who might be able to go far regardless might be Gordon Ryan, but I doubt that.

I haven't watched too much one fc, but I'd argue that his striking already looks pretty decent. It'll be interesting to see his next fight against Thanh le and presumably Martin Nguyen next who is considered a great striker.

 

[Cameron]

Well he's 30 years old. If he stay in ONE for a while...not sure if he can make a run.

Lovato was great. Mousasi almost always only loses to elite fighters. Lovato was very legit. It's really too bad about him. It kinda showed how good Mousasi's grappling was too tho.

Agreed, I would have liked to see where Lovato would have gone if he were healthy and if he started a little younger. His timeless Jiu-jitsu translated really well to MMA unlike some fighters more modern sport jiu-jitsu. That fight said a lot about both fighters IMO.

 

[JustOnce]

Ryan would go far based on skill. But if you listen to Nicky Rod talk about his heart I don't know if he can stomach the grind of MMA full time to go that far. That is also highly speculative but would be interesting to see.

Gary on the other hand has heart for days.

Heart is important sure in this game. You gotta be willing to take the hit, not to sound corny or anything, and grind through, whether it's training or fight.

I mean, obviously you need other attributes, but I'm sure Gary has those.

I wish him well, but his age and him being in ONEFc makes me think it's rather unlikely he will end up in the UFC or make a good run in it.

 

[JustOnce]

Really? I think Ryan may be the worst to transition to MMA from the old dds

Well I doubt it too, but just because he had such a special grappling/no gi career AND he's only 26....so...just giving him a little shout out I guess.

 

[Jarvan]

journeyman

but def exciting

I reckon top 15 for sure
Wouldn't be surprised to see him become the paulharris of LW
(for the heel hooks, not behavior)

 

[Cameron]

Heart is important sure in this game. You gotta be willing to take the hit, not to sound corny or anything, and grind through, whether it's training or fight.

I mean, obviously you need other attributes, but I'm sure Gary has those.

I wish him well, but his age and him being in ONEFc makes me think it's rather unlikely he will end up in the UFC or make a good run in it.

I don't think its hard to see him in the UFC. I can see the UFC signing him tomorrow if he were a free agent. Its a question of how far he can go in that time span. If he were a heavy weight 30 is young as fuck, but at feather weight? He has 5 years left of his prime, if that.

If I'm his management team, I would have him win the One belt, defend like 2-3x max then try and leverage that into a UFC contract and hopefully a fast track to a title shot with just a few UFC wins. All assuming he keeps winning. But time IS a factor on how far he will go.

 

[JustOnce]

Agreed, I would have liked to see where Lovato would have gone if he were healthy and if he started a little younger. His timeless Jiu-jitsu translated really well to MMA unlike some fighters more modern sport jiu-jitsu. That fight said a lot about both fighters IMO.

Lovato really looked good. The only man who grapplefucked Mousasi was Jacare.

It makes me wonder it means Jacare was better than Lovato prime for prime, or Mousasi got better. Probably it means Jacare's better.

But it's also probably true, in MMA also, if you don't use it, you lose it. Jacare looked terrible off his back against Hermansson. I mean he's not a bottom guard player yeah but still.

 

[Cameron]

Lovato really looked good. The only man who grapplefucked Mousasi was Jacare.

It makes me wonder it means Jacare was better than Lovato prime for prime, or Mousasi got better. Probably it means Jacare's better.

But it's also probably true, in MMA also, if you don't use it, you lose it. Jacare looked terrible off his back against Hermansson. I mean he's not a bottom guard player yeah but still.

Skills are perishable, Jacare has been out of BJJ competition for years and focused so much on MMA that I'm willing to bet his Jiu-jitsu suffered. Lovato stayed active with IBJJF and F2W matches on a pretty consistent basis so his BJJ is much sharper i would say at this point in their careers.

 

[JustOnce]

I don't think its hard to see him in the UFC. I can see the UFC signing him tomorrow if he were a free agent. Its a question of how far he can go in that time span. If he were a heavy weight 30 is young as fuck, but at feather weight? He has 5 years left of his prime, if that.

If I'm his management team, I would have him win the One belt, defend like 2-3x max then try and leverage that into a UFC contract and hopefully a fast track to a title shot with just a few UFC wins. All assuming he keeps winning. But time IS a factor on how far he will go.

Well sure he's an interesting prospect if you can call him that, but not sure how it works. ONEfc feels a bit shady af to me, and I know they are struggling to produce profits so not sure how long they will go on for with their current model, but the only time ONEfc champ came over to UFC was Ben ASkren I think, and it was a trade where both sides probably got what they wanted.

I'm not sure if Tonon will be as big as Askren was, nor would UFC be willing to do something like that again.

 

[JustOnce]

Skills are perishable, Jacare has been out of BJJ competition for years and focused so much on MMA that I'm willing to bet his Jiu-jitsu suffered. Lovato stayed active with IBJJF and F2W matches on a pretty consistent basis so his BJJ is much sharper i would say at this point in their careers.

Oh yeah I just realized I forgot to mention Glibert Burns too in my orginal reply, Glibert did pretty well for himself too.

Yeah, for sure, it def does decline I think, and Glibert is probably doing a nice job of staying sharp. I did think Maia had what it takes to do what he does to Glibert, but oh well

 

[JustOnce]

But it was very shocking to see what Hermansson did to Jacare. Probably more shocking that Jacare got his arm broke by the other guy too.

I also suppose time is undefeated, either way

 

[Slapchoppin]

hey thats the commentator that said my anus

 

[kenetics]

Even Roger got shut down by Tim Kennedy. So in this day and age, it really depends on your entire skill set.

Even Marcelo couldn't submit the guy in his debut.

The only guy who might be able to go far regardless might be Gordon Ryan, but I doubt that.

Gordon would do much worse because his athletism is pretty low.