How does Modern Warfare with North Korea Play out?

[Doughbelly]

Are they still planning to move the capital of SK down south?

Yeah, to Camp Humphreys, lol.

And my joke about Busan being the South Korean capital is an inside joke about how that's where all the prezodents of Daehanmingooks come from.

 

[Doughbelly]

Why didn't the Mongol Empire have problems with insurgencies in Asia?

Because Mongols did shit like razing cities when they rebelled and had their men collect ten heads apiece to make sure everyone understood that they meant business. It also meant their guys knew murder. If you had the psych profile to take ten heads at a time at every village that you came to that didn't come into compliance, then you'd make for an incredible shitty modern American soldier.

 

[Doughbelly]

Think about it this way.

Do you like your phone? Do you like you computer? Hope you love them because you ain't getting a new one for the next five to ten years if there's a war on the Korean peninsula.

 

[sub_thug]

Short answer:
-They strike Seoul with artillery, possibly nuclear weapons. The US loses tens of thousands of people in the blink of an eye, and the South Koreans lose hundreds of thousands. At least. Seoul is virtually destroyed.

-US ground forces do everything they can to hold North Korean advances to a stalemate in the first 30 days. American ground forces hold the line, although it's a really, really shitty month.

-The US launches a massive air and naval campaign. American planes bomb the ever-living shit out the North Koreans, destroying troop and equipment depots, air defense systems, and political refuges. Naval gunfire launches shells the size of VW bugs everywhere that has any value within 30 miles of the shore.

-US ground forces end this fight within the next 30-60 days. After about 4 months of war, the combat is over. The North Koreans have lost over a million people. The South Koreans have lost even more, and US military deaths are close to 15,000.

-North Korean regime change occurs. Kim Jong Un is executed as a war criminal, the government is in total disarray, and China is scared to death. They have more refugees trying to cross into their country than the US has illegal immigrants, and they don't know what to do with all the wounded, starving, and the poor. It takes years and billions of dollars to try and rebuild the country. It happens, but it's slow. And at the end of the day, the US gets a military base on the Chinese border. They hate that, and the US finally has the Chinese by the balls again.

 

[Doughbelly]

Short answer:
-They strike Seoul with artillery, possibly nuclear weapons. The US loses tens of thousands of people in the blink of an eye, and the South Koreans lose hundreds of thousands. At least. Seoul is virtually destroyed.

-US ground forces do everything they can to hold North Korean advances to a stalemate in the first 30 days. American ground forces hold the line, although it's a really, really shitty month.

-The US launches a massive air and naval campaign. American planes bomb the ever-living shit out the North Koreans, destroying troop and equipment depots, air defense systems, and political refuges. Naval gunfire launches shells the size of VW bugs everywhere that has any value within 30 miles of the shore.

-US ground forces end this fight within the next 30-60 days. After about 4 months of war, the combat is over. The North Koreans have lost over a million people. The South Koreans have lost even more, and US military deaths are close to 15,000.

-North Korean regime change occurs. Kim Jong Un is executed as a war criminal, the government is in total disarray, and China is scared to death. They have more refugees trying to cross into their country than the US has illegal immigrants, and they don't know what to do with all the wounded, starving, and the poor. It takes years and billions of dollars to try and rebuild the country. It happens, but it's slow. And at the end of the day, the US gets a military base on the Chinese border. They hate that, and the US finally has the Chinese by the balls again.

Don't forget, that's if China and Russia allowed for unimpeded warfare in the North.

And let's not forget the half a million American and other western civilians running around Seoul at any particular moment.

 

[sub_thug]

Don't forget, that's if China and Russia allowed for unimpeded warfare in the North.

And let's not forget the half a million American and other western civilians running around Seoul at any particular moment.

I didn't forget the westerners. There will be about 3-7 days of evacuation before things get started, so the numbers will decrease.

As for Russia and China, they won't allow themselves to be kinetically involved. They just won't. They won't let this thing spiral into WWIII. Not to prop up Kim's regime.

 

[Doughbelly]

I didn't forget the westerners. There will be about 3-7 days of evacuation before things get started, so the numbers will decrease.

As for Russia and China, they won't allow themselves to be kinetically involved. They just won't. They won't let this thing spiral into WWIII. Not to prop up Kim's regime.

China can threaten sanctions on the US (and boy do they have bargaining power) if certain actions are taken.

Expanding on China - the Chinese population of South Korea is something like 1.5 million, or nearly 3-4% of the population of South Korea. Another reason China won't allow war from the North Korean side.

War on the peninsula just won't happen. It's not doable for anyone involved.

 

[sub_thug]

China can threaten sanctions on the US (and boy do they have bargaining power) if certain actions are taken.

Expanding on China - the Chinese population of South Korea is something like 1.5 million, or nearly 3-4% of the population of South Korea. Another reason China won't allow war from the North Korean side.

War on the peninsula just won't happen. It's not doable for anyone involved.

China places sanctions on us? Dude, their currency will go to shit if that happens. We have a dependency on one another, and that's only deepening, not weakening. China is staying out of it if warfare were to happen.

 

[Hoof Hearted]

I'm sure the US military know the main sites to hit straight away. After that it could esclate very quickly to the use of nuclear weapon, if NK strikes at US territory and SK are taking a lot of casualties. That's the one country that I don't think the US would care about hitting with nukes and getting rid of the regime once and for all. A war with conventional weapons would be long and drawn out, unless there is a NK regime collapse / coup from within.

 

[Marfa]

I dunno, but I bet the leader tries to do a Zerg rush. Successful in the beginning, it will go to shit once 'Murrica gets serious.

 

[Doughbelly]

China places sanctions on us? Dude, their currency will go to shit if that happens. We have a dependency on one another, and that's only deepening, not weakening. China is staying out of it if warfare were to happen.

IT's all fantasy mutual assured self inflicted gun wounds.

And China is not staying out of if because China is the ultimate word on the peninsula, period.

China says if North Korea can do war. Food, fuel, electricity, munitions (that actually work) - it all comes through China for North Korea. If China says "No war for you," to North Korea, there is no war for anyone.

Here's what I don't like about your outline - North Korea doesn't have more than a few days or a few weeks supply of a heavy, Big Army war without massive aid from China. China is already involved in your scenario.

North Korean incursion? With what North Korean force projection capabilities? We can take war anywhere we like. North Korea can't take war past Seoul. No more fuel, no more war.

 

[sub_thug]

IT's all fantasy mutual assured self inflicted gun wounds.

And China is not staying out of if because China is the ultimate word on the peninsula, period.

China says if North Korea can do war. Food, fuel, electricity, munitions (that actually work) - it all comes through China for North Korea. If China says "No war for you," to North Korea, there is no war for anyone.

Here's what I don't like about your outline - North Korea doesn't have more than a few days or a few weeks supply of a heavy, Big Army war without massive aid from China. China is already involved in your scenario.

North Korean incursion? With what North Korean force projection capabilities? We can take war anywhere we like. North Korea can't take war past Seoul. No more fuel, no more war.

DPRK doesn't have to project beyond Seoul other than through ICBMs. That's kind of the deal. This war would hypothetically be fought in their country, their mountains.

I'm doing all this under the assumption that the fight happens, as per the OP. As such, North Korea has already decided to strike. But I don't think they're going to. I think this is more saber-rattling than anything else.

But yes, they'll lose a lot of their force generation capabilities without China.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

Has there been a war in the last century where the preceding rhetoric was that this was likely to be a drawn out war lasting years, costing massive amounts of money, resources and human lives and that we are unlikely to enact substantial change in the region? No, it's always that the war will be over in weeks and we'll be welcomed as liberators and all the hot chicks will gives us blowjobs.

Maybe this time you're right, I'm no strategist but the same thing has been said before and turned out not to be the case.

Civil war - " It'll be over in 90 days !"........650,000 dead people later

WW1 - " it'll be over in a month !"..........what , 20,000,000 dead people later.

ECT ECT

There is an old Russian saying something along the lines of " The road to war is wide , but the path home is narrow "


Stuff like this has tendency to spin out of control courtesy of unforseen consequences and unforseen reactions .

 

[Deleted member 409801]

Liberals and 24/7 Liberal media coverage has stopped wars from ending sooner rather than later.

Wars should be swift, brutal and short. But liberals and girly men will scream and cry about it.

Spoken like someone that has never done shit. You've probably never even killed animal ......tell me I'm wrong.

Mr tough guy, billy bad ass, hypothetical bushido warrior!

 

[Goonerview]

Spoken like someone that has never done shit. You've probably never even killed animal ......tell me I'm wrong.

Mr tough guy, billy bad ass, hypothetical bushido warrior!

I'm a silver belt on Sherdog. I don't f**k around.

In all seriousness, though.

In the wake of 9/11, if Bush and Blair came on the TV and said "in the wake of these attacks, we are going to straight up invade Iraq, take their gold and oil and impose our values on them at gun point" have a permanent force (like we do for Japan/Germany). Put the entire country on lockdown. Any radicals get merked, no questions. Forcibly liberalise that shit.

I could probably get behind it. Iraq would be better off today. IMO

Instead now (thanks to crying liberals) the opposite is happening.

We spend TRILLIONS of dollars fighting some dumbass war, lose thousands of troops, create ISIS and Islamic values are being imported into the UK. Every year hundreds of new mosques open and hundreds of churches close down throughout the UK ... Post 9/11 ... Where is the end game?? It's LUNACY

Ultimately, we shouldn't have invaded at all and should have spent money on defending our own soil/borders and left them alone.

But this whole invade 50-50 bullshit, doesn't work with 24 liberal media.

 

[aus101]

China places sanctions on us? Dude, their currency will go to shit if that happens. We have a dependency on one another, and that's only deepening, not weakening. China is staying out of it if warfare were to happen.

Yeah whacking sanctions on North Korea hurts them. Whacking sanctions onto the United States is stupid particularly for China who rely upon the US buying all their crap.

 

[Pwent]

Based on absolutely nothing I wonder if (nukes aside) this is the reason nobody has tried to "sort out" North Korea so far?

Definition of a pyrrhic victory.

a combination of that, china promising to protect NK (to use as a buffer so they dont have US military bases on their border) and sk/japan/USA trying to pass the buck about whos actually going to have to the heavy lifting

 

[Jack Reacheround]

Short answer:
-They strike Seoul with artillery, possibly nuclear weapons. The US loses tens of thousands of people in the blink of an eye, and the South Koreans lose hundreds of thousands. At least. Seoul is virtually destroyed.

-US ground forces do everything they can to hold North Korean advances to a stalemate in the first 30 days. American ground forces hold the line, although it's a really, really shitty month.

-The US launches a massive air and naval campaign. American planes bomb the ever-living shit out the North Koreans, destroying troop and equipment depots, air defense systems, and political refuges. Naval gunfire launches shells the size of VW bugs everywhere that has any value within 30 miles of the shore.

-US ground forces end this fight within the next 30-60 days. After about 4 months of war, the combat is over. The North Koreans have lost over a million people. The South Koreans have lost even more, and US military deaths are close to 15,000.

-North Korean regime change occurs. Kim Jong Un is executed as a war criminal, the government is in total disarray, and China is scared to death. They have more refugees trying to cross into their country than the US has illegal immigrants, and they don't know what to do with all the wounded, starving, and the poor. It takes years and billions of dollars to try and rebuild the country. It happens, but it's slow. And at the end of the day, the US gets a military base on the Chinese border. They hate that, and the US finally has the Chinese by the balls again.

This makes sense.

 

[Magooglie]

I forgot. All the Korean tailors are too busy tailoring uniforms for American NCOs right outside the gates of every US base.

Do we need to get Banchan in here? Do we?

 

[Nihongi]

50,000 people used to live here. Now it's a ghost town.

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