How does Modern Warfare with North Korea Play out?

[Jack Handy jr]

I was stationed there back in the Mid Nineties and I remember my Platoon Leader saying something to the effect that our divison was a speed bump on the way to Seoul, that we had to hold North Korea for atleast 16 to 24 hours before Marines from Japan could substantially Back us up.

And that they had at least one million artillery pieces aimed at Seoul. Besides the stench. I can clearly remember miles upon miles of high rise apartment buildings in Seoul, and this was 1993. cant imagine what the place looks like now. Anyway I got to thinking How the hell do you have a Combined Armor / Mechanized Infantry Battle in a place like this?

I Clearly remember not being able to really Drive from Camp Casey to Seoul on a normal day in a Humvee. cant Imagine trying to tool around in a Bradley under artillery fire with panicked civilians clogging the streets. any way how do you see this playing out?

My Advise to the Don would be to invade the North and have the fight take place there ...more room to move around. I know this may urk china but oh well we need something to harken the four horsemen of the apocalypse and get the whole end of days thing going.

 

[zapataxiv]

i got NK with the upset.
They got that look in their eye.
tactical flying side kicks and perfectly thrown overhand rights win the urban fighting, then they invade the states.

 

[Sir Galahad]

Preemptive strike is the only option. NoKo will be destroyed within weeks.

 

[Hidden_Hand]

Well if Vietnam taught us anything it's 1. Do not underestimate your enemy and 2. Do not send your men into their territory on open field.

These days though it's all jets and artillery but realistically how long could Korea hold out with the size difference?

 

[moreorless87]

I would imagine that the US/SK backup plan has always been a massive airstrike on the NK forces close to the DMZ looking to take out as much of that artillery as possible.

 

[Pugilistic]

cant imagine what the place looks like now.

You know you can just, like, google it you know.

I thought of this scenario many times because it's pretty interesting and I was in the ROK Army. Worked in Intel. Even without US forces, I think SK military can hold their own against an NK invasion. NK stuff is so outdated. Plus their main advantage is their numbers in armor and artillery. I don't think their artillery is accurate enough to make a huge difference tactically and due to the mountainous terrain, their tanks would be funneled into choke points. Their infantry would have to go through the mountains and fight uphill against fortified positions. We would have almost immediate air superiority. Our navy is also much more advanced. We would have the advantage of being able to land Marines on their coast and threaten their flanks. NK has huge numbers of special forces but they won't be able to infiltrate if we shoot them out of the sky or sink their landing craft. NK has nukes as a wildcard though.

I think ROK and US forces will more than enough to fight back an invasion and NK would have to eventually give up. Attacking into NK is another story. CFC's plan is to counter attack into North Korea in case of an invasion FYI. I think every version of OPLAN 5027 involves one.

 

[Jack Handy jr]

Well if Vietnam taught us anything it's 1. Do not underestimate your enemy and 2. Do not send your men into their territory on open field.

These days though it's all jets and artillery but realistically how long could Korea hold out with the size difference?

If the generals that fought in world war 2 as lieutenants were allowed to prosecute that war like a wars are traditionally prosecuted throughout human history vietnam could have been won overnight

 

[Sonnyboi83]

NK don't want war. NK only good at oppressing their citizen. The moment they start war, they will get their shits pushed in. Their tech vs other nations is like bring knife to a gun fight.

 

[ssBaldy]

they may do significant damage with artillery and zerg rush tactics but they're fucked in the long run.

 

[vcmmafan]

Not looking forward to Frozen Chosin 2.0

"In November, 1950 eight thousand fighters, most of them United States Marines, struggled to survive the coldest winter in 100 years in North Korea. Surrounded by 120,000 Chinese soldiers, their only lifeline was a 15'-wide, steep mountain road they called the M.S.R."

 

[Rhood]

War in North Korea will be Iraq 2.0
At least Iraq was civilized before the war.
North Korea hasn't been civilized since the American Revolution.

 

[Striderx5]

Not looking forward to Frozen Chosin 2.0

"In November, 1950 eight thousand fighters, most of them United States Marines, struggled to survive the coldest winter in 100 years in North Korea. Surrounded by 120,000 Chinese soldiers, their only lifeline was a 15'-wide, steep mountain road they called the M.S.R."

Chesty puller disagrees

 

[nhbfan8080]

Do the NK even have an advantage in numbers considering that much of the NK military hardware is rusting away due to lack of money for maintenance and spare parts.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I believe the word General Mattis used was, "Catastrophic".

There is no doubt the US would win a war against Best Korea. But unless you manage to destroy their artillary, 90% of which is zeroed in on Seoul, in the first attack, it will be carnage. Depending on what's loaded - Best Korea might be able to drop crude Chemical or even Biological weapons as well as HE - the death toll will be in six figures at the very least. And a significant percentage of that would be American forces.

 

[whougonnacall]

I believe the word General Mattis used was, "Catastrophic".

There is no doubt the US would win a war against Best Korea. But unless you manage to destroy their artillary, 90% of which is zeroed in on Seoul, in the first attack, it will be carnage. Depending on what's loaded - Best Korea might be able to drop crude Chemical or even Biological weapons as well as HE - the death toll will be in six figures at the very least. And a significant percentage of that would be American forces.

This
Theyare no rral military threat they just have seoul as a hostage and this is them threatening to pop them every so often if their insane demands arent met

 

[Organic Damage]

I believe the word General Mattis used was, "Catastrophic".

There is no doubt the US would win a war against Best Korea. But unless you manage to destroy their artillary, 90% of which is zeroed in on Seoul, in the first attack, it will be carnage. Depending on what's loaded - Best Korea might be able to drop crude Chemical or even Biological weapons as well as HE - the death toll will be in six figures at the very least. And a significant percentage of that would be American forces.

Based on absolutely nothing I wonder if (nukes aside) this is the reason nobody has tried to "sort out" North Korea so far?

Definition of a pyrrhic victory.

 

[cobrinski]

Preemptive strike is the only option. NoKo will be destroyed within weeks.

No way bro.
They'll continue with their games forever

 

[Magooglie]

No more North Korea. Busan is the new capital of South Korea, or just Korea.

 

[Bubzeh]

This will probably result in NK being bombed into oblivion sadly.

 

[Roca]

Preemptive strike is the only option. NoKo will be destroyed within weeks.

Has there been a war in the last century where the preceding rhetoric was that this was likely to be a drawn out war lasting years, costing massive amounts of money, resources and human lives and that we are unlikely to enact substantial change in the region? No, it's always that the war will be over in weeks and we'll be welcomed as liberators and all the hot chicks will gives us blowjobs.

Maybe this time you're right, I'm no strategist but the same thing has been said before and turned out not to be the case.