How does Modern Warfare with North Korea Play out?

[Jack Handy jr]

Never.....ever.....use Star Man in such an uncouth uncalled for fashion again sir...I'll let you slide this time.

However google Reagan's statements after being briefed on our covert military capabilities.

He made an entry in his journal about it and this was almost 35 yeas ago. I can only imagine what type of off the books black Budget military programs and weapons we've developed since the early eighties.

I know North Koreas bureau of info tech warfare section 121 probably has had some successful breaches into some of our top secret databases with the help of Chinese intelligence.

So they know what we have. And that they can't win.its not conspiracy once it's been proven .

 

[Jack Handy jr]

Liberals and 24/7 Liberal media coverage has stopped wars from ending sooner rather than later.

Wars should be swift, brutal and short. But liberals and girly men will scream and cry about it.

Very politically incorrect what you posted sir however....so true.

That's why you can't let the North Korea, al gayda, types have weapons of mass destruction...they'll use them

If you have a guy in Kim ill that fed his uncle to a Pack of wild dogs that ripped him to shreds last year as he watched this freak wouldn't have any problem with nuking Tokyo or Seoul.

If he's crazy enough which he just may be he might fire something toward Honolulu or the west coast.

As you stated and I eluded to. human warfare throughout our bloody history has been violent and overwhelming not police actions and nation building.those don't work

Vietnam and Korea could have been one in a week if the politicians that wanted to make money off of prolonged police actions and stalemates let generals like MacArthur, Patton, and Westmoreland do their jobs.

 

[Jack Handy jr]

What Vietnam should have taught us is

- Don't go in half assed, with one armed tied behind your back.

The politicians placed so many restrictions on our armed forces and those fucks sent us there in the first place.

If you send in the military, then fucking do it, stand back and let them do what they do best.

Kill the enemy...

They are not the god damned World Police. If you need peacekeepers, let the UN handle that shit duty.

That being said, the US should have never went into Vietnam in the first place.

This situation with N Korea is looking to be another matter.

Completely agree

Your AV is glorious

We may have been separated at birth

 

[kenetics]

I was stationed there back in the Mid Nineties and I remember my Platoon Leader saying something to the effect that our divison was a speed bump on the way to Seoul, that we had to hold North Korea for atleast 16 to 24 hours before Marines from Japan could substantially Back us up.

And that they had at least one million artillery pieces aimed at Seoul. Besides the stench. I can clearly remember miles upon miles of high rise apartment buildings in Seoul, and this was 1993. cant imagine what the place looks like now. Anyway I got to thinking How the hell do you have a Combined Armor / Mechanized Infantry Battle in a place like this?

I Clearly remember not being able to really Drive from Camp Casey to Seoul on a normal day in a Humvee. cant Imagine trying to tool around in a Bradley under artillery fire with panicked civilians clogging the streets. any way how do you see this playing out?

My Advise to the Don would be to invade the North and have the fight take place there ...more room to move around. I know this may urk china but oh well we need something to harken the four horsemen of the apocalypse and get the whole end of days thing going.

Nothing going to happen. We've heard the same story over and over about North Korea attacking.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Like a video game we have all the cheat codes for -we push a button, game over.

 

[ITOT1]

Like a video game we have all the cheat codes for -we push a button, game over.

Dammmmnnn right we do...Up down up down left right left right B A select start

 

[Doughbelly]

I'd see that once word gets out that NK is firing up a launch silo, the call is made for a pre preemptive strike, the US goes in and obliterates all known silo's and launch sites with drones and air strikes.

At that same time SK invades via ground with the US playing a supporting role. Japan might also support from the sea.

fat man hunkers down in a bunker somewhere. NK is pretty much leashed within the first 72 hours.

After a week or so of ground invasion, the fat man is either found or killed by his own generals and an issue of surrender is announced. (this could be anywhere from a week to a few months...but realistically I see this being a few weeks tops)

SK begins talks of cease fire and a few months in their's talk of unification. China and the UN discuss what should be done with NK government. Off the top of my head, I could see a more pro China, but open borders NK government rising in the follow months/year.

This would play out with the speed of Iraq but without the length or need for the US to stay after the fact.

No. Just nope.

 

[Doughbelly]

If the generals that fought in world war 2 as lieutenants were allowed to prosecute that war like a wars are traditionally prosecuted throughout human history vietnam could have been won overnight

Sorry, but that's revisionist nonsense.

We didn't prosecute war in the same way because it wasn't the same war.

What you're saying is if we were allowed to prosecute war the way Gen Patton wanted to prosecute WWII. And ended up in a fight with Russia. Same as the people who "IF" on about how we could have won Vietnam. No, we couldn't have. Not the way they are imagining in their fantasies. If we did it the way they do in their fantasies, we would have ended up in a slugging match with the Chinese.

Vietnam was never in a geopolitical situation where there was a winnable war. Most of the generals of the time knew that. It's the politicians who didn't.

 

[BVG]

No. Just nope.

great come back, very informative and worth everyone's time.

Keep it up!

+1

 

[Sir Galahad]

No way bro.
They'll continue with their games forever

Trump is unpredictable. He's going to shock the world.

 

[Heelhook71]

It would destabilise the region and cause chaos. Also it would force the power in that region to intervene and protect an ally , which would probably not end well for the US or South Korea.

There is reason the West bitches and complains but doesn't intervene in that region. It's not worth the risk.

 

[Doughbelly]

great come back, very informative and worth everyone's time.

Keep it up!

+1

Because from top to bottom, you don't say anything that makes sense.

US detect a launch silo being spun up? In time for a preemptive strike? With drones? Where are these drones coming from? How are they getting to their targets? How long have they been on ready alert?

And Japan????????!!!!!

Come on. What you wrote is bad background for a tv series, it's nothing based on reality.

 

[Jack Handy jr]

Sorry, but that's revisionist nonsense.

We didn't prosecute war in the same way because it wasn't the same war.

What you're saying is if we were allowed to prosecute war the way Gen Patton wanted to prosecute WWII. And ended up in a fight with Russia. Same as the people who "IF" on about how we could have won Vietnam. No, we couldn't have. Not the way they are imagining in their fantasies. If we did it the way they do in their fantasies, we would have ended up in a slugging match with the Chinese.

Vietnam was never in a geopolitical situation where there was a winnable war. Most of the generals of the time knew that. It's the politicians who didn't.

I disagree

If we leveled the North with a massive bombing campaign from air and battleships at sea then conducted massive airborne invasion of ho chi min city followed by conventional armor and mech infantry assaults of the other major cities we would have destroyed the NVA.

The war could have been won Ashly imo now the insurgency that followed would have been admittedly very ugly essentially we would have to let the villages and country side belong to the VC. Similar to how the Colombian government let FARC have the jungles.

But essentially we would have won Saigon and the embarrassing way we left with the pushing of helos off the side of ships would have never happened in all let generals fight wars let politicians write the checks.

A politician that was a community activist or a casino owner shouldn't tell a general how to prosecute a war.

Just lie a General shouldn't tell a president how to organize minorities in the ghetto or how to run a casino

 

[Doughbelly]

I disagree

If we leveled the North with a massive bombing campaign from air and battleships at sea then conducted massive airborne invasion of ho chi min city followed by conventional armor and mech infantry assaults of the other major cities we would have destroyed the NVA.

The war could have been won Ashly imo now the insurgency that followed would have been admittedly very ugly essentially we would have to let the villages and country side belong to the VC. Similar to how the Colombian government let FARC have the jungles.

But essentially we would have won Saigon and the embarrassing way we left with the pushing of helos off the side of ships would have never happened in all let generals fight wars let politicians write the checks.

A politician that was a community activist or a casino owner shouldn't tell a general how to prosecute a war.

Just lie a General shouldn't tell a president how to organize minorities in the ghetto or how to run a casino

Couple things.

1.) Nothing of value comes from those jungles except cocaine. There is not economic cycle that the Colombian government cares about so they can let FARC keep it.

Everything of value to Vietnamese came from the villages and jungles. So no, you can't "let the VC keep the villages." They'd just use villages to attack the cities. And the cities would wither and die because the villages is where they get their rice. So nope.

2.) You can't wipe things things off a map because no political situation exists in a vacuum. You missed the point of my last post - there were no major incursions into North Vietnam and no carpet bombings because of one thing and one thing only - CHINA. The US and Nixon were trying to make peace with China to act as a non-belligerent in our greater war against Soviet communism. Vietnam was never a winnable war. At least Nixon understood that.

 

[Byron Pechorin]

50,000 people used to live here. Now it's a ghost town.

 

[tmnpothead]

If they'd just join the New World Order everything would be fine

 

[Doughbelly]

You can't do war on the Korean peninsula without losing Seoul, period. A third of the nation of South Korea lives in the Seoul metropolitan area. You lose Seoul, you lose South Korea. You lose south Korea, you've lost the point of the war. That's why the nation of North Korea exists. It's that simple

"War is an extension of politics by other means." - Von Clauswitz.

You can't have war on the peninsula because the political and economic realities won't allow it.

 

[mushishi]

It's a 5v5 League of Legends deathmatch, best of 5. Winner takes all.

 

[mushishi]

You can't do war on the Korean peninsula without losing Seoul, period. A third of the nation of South Korea lives in the Seoul metropolitan area. You lose Seoul, you lose South Korea. You lose south Korea, you've lost the point of the war. That's why the nation of North Korea exists. It's that simple

"War is an extension of politics by other means." - Von Clauswitz.

You can't have war on the peninsula because the political and economic realities won't allow it.

Are they still planning to move the capital of SK down south?

 

[Phlog]

North Korea has enough fuel for its military to last half a day, or some such shit is what I've heard. They are cans. No chance they'd invade. Fire a nuke and then play defence though, that's a different story.