Opinion How does it feel to be a democrat right now?

[oldshadow]

They will be fine. They know the only reason they lost is because of racism and abcdeft++++++ phobia. They know they can fix that by going more to the left on all the issues.

 

[Cartiac]

In fairness, his first term he wasn’t surrounded by people hand picked specifically because they pledged to do what he wants them to do. This term he’s only going with people who are committed first to loyalty to him. Don and his soldiers.

Irrational fear has been a tool both sides have used extensively.

Umm, What!? Of course Trump hand picked his cabinet with people he felt he could trust the first time just like every president does. You are really trying to hate the guy because he didn't pick a bunch of people he can't trust as far as he could throw them to be his closest, most trusted advisors? What kind of president would ever do that?You really need to reevaluate the levels of intelligence you completely disregard to satisfy your desire to conform to a group for acceptance.

What is actually very interesting this time is Trump has picked several people that have been very harshly critical of him in the past.

 

[BFoe]

You video there argues that bible wasn't against abortion but it also references scriptures that mention the soul. That guy is a grifter, funny how he completely ignores the 6th commandment. You know damn well that the majority of abortions are not cancerous pregnancies ectopic pregnancies or partial miscarriages. It would be hard to argue that abortion an already dead or dying fetus is murder. Killing the fetus as form of birth control is murder, it is not health care I do not care what anyone says. You can hold the position that you are fine with this form of murder, just don't lie and call it health care. You don't believe in a soul we have established that, but lets just for the sake of the argument say that you do, at what point does a fetus develop a soul ? How many cells have to divide for the soul to show up ? Those that argue for late term abortions and still believe in the human soul are essentially arguing that the soul enters the body as you come out the womb ?

The argument that Judeo-Christians don't believe in the soul or have been arguing about it's existence is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. It's kind of gross pretending to be a religious expert when your only goal is attacking the religion using it's texts. Ever heard of the holy trinity ? One of the most basic foundations of the entire religion... but no they don't believe in the soul.

That being said buying into this doesn't even come close to the stupidity required to buy into the Jan 6th narrative. If it bothers you so much why do you also call out the anti democratic practices of the party you support ? Either call it all out or sit down and shut the fuck up.

Trump being caught on tape groping women is gross as fuck, pretending that Biden on VIDEO tape doing shit that is equally creepy to CHILDREN is nothing more than a meme is fucking disgusting. Nevermind the fact that you disregarded the shower scenario. Very gross.

If you are in the country illegally, or have broken the law in any other law you SHOULD be living in fear. You knowingly broke the law without concern for anyone but yourself. If you didn't break the law, did nothing wrong then there is no reason to be living in fear and if you are then your own foolishness is nobodies fault but your own.

At this point the LGBT is a protected class afforded more rights and protections than anyone else. If you feel unsafe in this situation you never will. If banning books(sexual material in school libraries) makes you feel unsafe you are a complete and utter fool.

Do you not see the hypocrisy in calling out one side for making excuses for their candidate while doing the same thing yourself ?

I’ll indulge you for a bit on the religious aspect here, as it’s an interesting discussion. The important point though is that it doesn’t matter what your private, religious beliefs are, they are just that—abortion is not considered murder even by the right wing SCOTUS that struck down Roe, and in fact it’s never been universally considered as that anytime since the founding of the US. If you’re trying to force people to live under your personal religious beliefs, you’re psychologically no different than those who enforce Sharia Law or things like that. It’s the same mentality.

So, is an abortion to address an ectopic pregnancy healthcare or not? Is an abortion to address a cancerous pregnancy healthcare or not? In those instances, the fetus is still living—but we should be able to agree that it *is* healthcare, and women are being denied it, forced to risk their health and lives by a government of “Christian” zealots. This is what Trump and his supporters have caused, and it’s not by accident.


I am sure you realize that when you quote the 6th Commandment, you’re quoting from Jewish Law. Does Judaism consider abortion to be murder? No. A rabbi would answer your question about when the soul develops as being at first breath. A fetus isn’t even considered alive in the first 40 days of gestation, and is considered part of the mother—a potential life—after that. Abortion to save the life of a mother, or because of medical conditions or birth defects is perfectly permissible. In fact, Jewish congregations have sued over abortion bans, based on the idea that being prohibited from having one discriminates against their religious beliefs. It should be a treat to watch our SCOTUS wrangle with that.
So no—it’s not murder, even in your own holy book.


This person in the video I posted (Dr. Dan McClellan) that you laughably call a grifter is a scholar of the Bible. He has a BA in Near East Studies, a Master’s in Jewish studies, a Master of Arts in Biblical Studies and a PhD from the University of Exeter. I’m not surprised, as I think last time I posted one of his videos I got the response that he was “woke” lol. Of course, that’s not true—his views differ wildly from evangelicals because he is a scholar, and they are only interested in political power, and they sort of “retcon” the Bible to match their political beliefs. Christianity’s views on when a soul develops or if abortion is ever acceptable have changed over the centuries, they’ve never been static.

The concept of the Trinity appears nowhere in the NT and only develops as a concept over time between the 2nd and 4th centuries CE.

Dan McClellan didn’t sidestep the 6th commandment in that video—rather, you are sidestepping things like Exodus 21:22-23. The 6th commandment does not apply to abortion, because a fetus was not seen to have full legal and moral personhood. I am happy to drop in a McClellan video that explains this. And I don’t have to use him as a source btw—there’s a 48 minute video on YouTube by NT scholar Dr. Bart Ehrman that explores this topic in a lot of depth, and I’m happy to link to it, it’s just very long—so here’s McClellan on the topic.


As far as Biden’s possible indiscretions? I never voted for Biden in the primaries, he wasn’t ever my preferred candidate. In fact, my state has primaries so late that the candidate was decided before we got to vote. Now, when my choices were between him and Trump, that’s an easy choice.
Please enlighten me as to what “un-Democratic” things you think Dems have done that’s on par with a multi-state felony scheme to disenfranchise thousands of voters, or an violent attempt to stop the certification of an election in which 174 police were assaulted.

 

[kflo]

Umm, What!? Of course Trump hand picked his cabinet with people he felt he could trust the first time just like every president does. You are really trying to hate the guy because he didn't pick a bunch of people he can't trust as far as he could throw them to be his closest, most trusted advisors? What kind of president would ever do that?You really need to reevaluate the levels of intelligence you completely disregard to satisfy your desire to conform to a group for acceptance.

What is actually very interesting this time is Trump has picked several people that have been very harshly critical of him in the past.

You’re not stating things accurately. His first term he didn’t pick his cabinet the same way he is this time around. If you can’t acknowledge that then you’re not having a good faith discussion.

I’m not trying to hate the guy. I voted for the guy and hope he’s successful. But don’t expect the same checks and balances he had with his prior team, for better or worse.

 

[BFoe]

You have to come from a different angle when 99% of abortions are just women who don't want a perfectly healthy kid.

And I say that as someone who thinks women should have access to abortions.

I get what you’re saying. The reason I chose that approach is because a person like the one I was talking to will never compromise or give in on allowing those women abortions. My hope is that when they say abortion isn’t healthcare, I can at least get them to see that there are at least times when it absolutely is, and that women are suffering because there being denied that care, and hopefully to at least get someone from the Right on my side that we should end that, at least.
But it hasn’t been a super successful strategy lol, I’ll grant you that.

I don't think so. But it's possible i guess

I decided to go back and look to make sure I wasn’t crazy, and yeah, it was this post. You even gave me a Stone Cold middle finger at the end.

The part I liked best was trying insult me by calling me a “fucking Democrat.” I mean, according to my voter registration that’s true, I can’t deny that.

You can't even see how brainwashed you really are but here you are listing off democratic media bulletpoints acting as if you came to those ridiculous opinions all by yourself.

Your party lies to you and you bought it. Just admit it and go forward. You're embarrassing yourself trying to defend them. "...but, but, rascism!!" Lmao you fucking Democrat.

So, assuming your fears are legit, what do you see happening to you?

I’m more worried for others than myself. And I don’t know what might happen. Look at what they did to Ruby Freeman in GA, or the death threats election workers in AZ got. When Trump was POTUS the first time, he tried to get states to give up their voter data, remember that? Dem governors wouldn’t do it; but if my Dem Governor loses the next election, that could change. If Trump has an amoral loyalists in the FBI and DOJ, they could probably get info anyway. I wonder what would happen if all that voted data got “leaked” to 4chan, let’s say.

 

[Wilmer Digreux]

I get what you’re saying. The reason I chose that approach is because a person like the one I was talking to will never compromise or give in on allowing those women abortions. My hope is that when they say abortion isn’t healthcare, I can at least get them to see that there are at least times when it absolutely is, and that women are suffering because there being denied that care, and hopefully to at least get someone from the Right on my side that we should end that, at least.
But it hasn’t been a super successful strategy lol, I’ll grant you that.



I decided to go back and look to make sure I wasn’t crazy, and yeah, it was this post. You even gave me a Stone Cold middle finger at the end.

The part I liked best was trying insult me by calling me a “fucking Democrat.” I mean, according to my voter registration that’s true, I can’t deny that.




I’m more worried for others than myself. And I don’t know what might happen. Look at what they did to Ruby Freeman in GA, or the death threats election workers in AZ got. When Trump was POTUS the first time, he tried to get states to give up their voter data, remember that? Dem governors wouldn’t do it; but if my Dem Governor loses the next election, that could change. If Trump has an amoral loyalists in the FBI and DOJ, they could probably get info anyway. I wonder what would happen if all that voted data got “leaked” to 4chan, let’s say.

Lol my bad bro

 

[BFoe]

Lol my bad bro

lol it’s all good bud.

 

[Lycandroid]

I’ll indulge you for a bit on the religious aspect here, as it’s an interesting discussion. The important point though is that it doesn’t matter what your private, religious beliefs are, they are just that—abortion is not considered murder even by the right wing SCOTUS that struck down Roe, and in fact it’s never been universally considered as that anytime since the founding of the US. If you’re trying to force people to live under your personal religious beliefs, you’re psychologically no different than those who enforce Sharia Law or things like that. It’s the same mentality.

So, is an abortion to address an ectopic pregnancy healthcare or not? Is an abortion to address a cancerous pregnancy healthcare or not? In those instances, the fetus is still living—but we should be able to agree that it *is* healthcare, and women are being denied it, forced to risk their health and lives by a government of “Christian” zealots. This is what Trump and his supporters have caused, and it’s not by accident.


I am sure you realize that when you quote the 6th Commandment, you’re quoting from Jewish Law. Does Judaism consider abortion to be murder? No. A rabbi would answer your question about when the soul develops as being at first breath. A fetus isn’t even considered alive in the first 40 days of gestation, and is considered part of the mother—a potential life—after that. Abortion to save the life of a mother, or because of medical conditions or birth defects is perfectly permissible. In fact, Jewish congregations have sued over abortion bans, based on the idea that being prohibited from having one discriminates against their religious beliefs. It should be a treat to watch our SCOTUS wrangle with that.
So no—it’s not murder, even in your own holy book.


This person in the video I posted (Dr. Dan McClellan) that you laughably call a grifter is a scholar of the Bible. He has a BA in Near East Studies, a Master’s in Jewish studies, a Master of Arts in Biblical Studies and a PhD from the University of Exeter. I’m not surprised, as I think last time I posted one of his videos I got the response that he was “woke” lol. Of course, that’s not true—his views differ wildly from evangelicals because he is a scholar, and they are only interested in political power, and they sort of “retcon” the Bible to match their political beliefs. Christianity’s views on when a soul develops or if abortion is ever acceptable have changed over the centuries, they’ve never been static.

The concept of the Trinity appears nowhere in the NT and only develops as a concept over time between the 2nd and 4th centuries CE.

Dan McClellan didn’t sidestep the 6th commandment in that video—rather, you are sidestepping things like Exodus 21:22-23. The 6th commandment does not apply to abortion, because a fetus was not seen to have full legal and moral personhood. I am happy to drop in a McClellan video that explains this. And I don’t have to use him as a source btw—there’s a 48 minute video on YouTube by NT scholar Dr. Bart Ehrman that explores this topic in a lot of depth, and I’m happy to link to it, it’s just very long—so here’s McClellan on the topic.


As far as Biden’s possible indiscretions? I never voted for Biden in the primaries, he wasn’t ever my preferred candidate. In fact, my state has primaries so late that the candidate was decided before we got to vote. Now, when my choices were between him and Trump, that’s an easy choice.
Please enlighten me as to what “un-Democratic” things you think Dems have done that’s on par with a multi-state felony scheme to disenfranchise thousands of voters, or an violent attempt to stop the certification of an election in which 174 police were assaulted.

please link the longer video, I will give a detailed response later for now I will say that I think all abortion is murder. Sometimes it is an necessary evil, like capital punishment or justified war casualties. The problem I have is the complete disregard for it being a life in the first place, if you are going to kill your unborn child you shouldn't lie to yourself about what you are doing, it shouldn't be spun as something it's not because it has lead to a horrifying level of unnecessary deaths just for the sake of convenience and lack of responsibility. I would need to research this guy more, but no matter how many qualifications you have when are you going against every other religious institution of which you are a scholar and specifically engaging in one of the most prominent issues in the religious communities in a contrarian manner directly appealing to the opposition. I would call that a grift

 

[fedorthegoat777]

This is how it feels to be a Democrat right now:

 

[ShadowRun]

lol it’s all good bud.

What are your thoughts on this? I don’t understand why demand would be against this

 

[Cartiac]

You’re not stating things accurately. His first term he didn’t pick his cabinet the same way he is this time around. If you can’t acknowledge that then you’re not having a good faith discussion.

I’m not trying to hate the guy. I voted for the guy and hope he’s successful. But don’t expect the same checks and balances he had with his prior team, for better or worse.

Since you apparently have intimate knowledge of Donald Trump's cabinet nomination decision criteria, how about you show some good faith and explain to us how he made his picks the first time and how he changed his criteria this time. What the hell is wrong with your talking about checks and balances, the President's cabinet is not supposed to be a check and/or balance to anything you goof.

 

[nhbbear]

I get what you’re saying. The reason I chose that approach is because a person like the one I was talking to will never compromise or give in on allowing those women abortions. My hope is that when they say abortion isn’t healthcare, I can at least get them to see that there are at least times when it absolutely is, and that women are suffering because there being denied that care, and hopefully to at least get someone from the Right on my side that we should end that, at least.
But it hasn’t been a super successful strategy lol, I’ll grant you that.



I decided to go back and look to make sure I wasn’t crazy, and yeah, it was this post. You even gave me a Stone Cold middle finger at the end.

The part I liked best was trying insult me by calling me a “fucking Democrat.” I mean, according to my voter registration that’s true, I can’t deny that.




I’m more worried for others than myself. And I don’t know what might happen. Look at what they did to Ruby Freeman in GA, or the death threats election workers in AZ got. When Trump was POTUS the first time, he tried to get states to give up their voter data, remember that? Dem governors wouldn’t do it; but if my Dem Governor loses the next election, that could change. If Trump has an amoral loyalists in the FBI and DOJ, they could probably get info anyway. I wonder what would happen if all that voted data got “leaked” to 4chan, let’s say.

So, you’re concerned that trump is going to leak all the people’s data that didn’t vote for him? I hate the man, but cmon

 

[Michaelangelo]

Damn this Ghostrider sequel is lit

 

[BFoe]

What are your thoughts on this? I don’t understand why demand would be against this

I haven’t followed the story super close, but I can tell you what occurs me. Mainly, we can already deport people for this reason. As you know, we don’t trust Trump, and don’t trust that his deportation efforts will really target the right people, or be done humanely. So I’d bet some Dems are suspicious, like, “You can already do this, so what do you really plan to do with this law?” That kind of thing. I don’t know if that’s their reason for voting against it but that’s what occurs to me.

 

[HereticBD]

I haven’t followed the story super close

Funny at how the left always says that over indefensible shit their party supports. Pretty soon you'll be asking "What is a crime? Are you a lawyer?"

 

[BFoe]

So, you’re concerned that trump is going to leak all the people’s data that didn’t vote for him? I hate the man, but cmon

Oh I’m concerned about a lot more than that—but yes, I think what I said is fully in Trump’s wheelhouse. You don’t think Mr. Fake Elector Scheme would allow his opponents’ data leaked so they can be harassed or threatened? There’s all sorts of other things that can happen. He’s already hinted at tribunals and retribution for the representatives we elect. That’s one easy thing he can do: target Dem leaders for prosecution of whatever sort, make people afraid to run for public office that oppose him. Have known voters of those people harassed, as we’ve seen done already. Have donors threatened, that’s easy enough to do.

A person like Trump, with enough loyalists, and a nice new SCOTUS immunity decision, can do a lot to harm his enemies and silence people.

 

[My Spot]

Politics are cyclical. I'm old enough to remember when the Democrats were "finished" after the 94 midterms.

 

[Cartiac]

I haven’t followed the story super close, but I can tell you what occurs me. Mainly, we can already deport people for this reason. As you know, we don’t trust Trump, and don’t trust that his deportation efforts will really target the right people, or be done humanely. So I’d bet some Dems are suspicious, like, “You can already do this, so what do you really plan to do with this law?” That kind of thing. I don’t know if that’s their reason for voting against it but that’s what occurs to me.

I really hope you don't have any political aspirations because you completely failed at trying to make that huge pile of nonsense sound reasonable. You do also realize Trump hasn't had any government position in 4 years now so can't have anything at all to do with this right? If only there was someone in charge over the last 4 years that could have done something right!

 

[BFoe]

I really hope you don't have any political aspirations because you completely failed at trying to make that huge pile of nonsense sound reasonable. You do also realize Trump hasn't had any government position in 4 years now so can't have anything at all to do with this right? If only there was someone in charge over the last 4 years that could have done something right!

Is it your assertion that Trump has had no influence on American politics since 2017 because he wasn’t in office? That would be a ludicrous and naive position. He killed an entire immigration bill just by giving his position on it—he didn’t need to be in office, Republicans just fell in line.

So tell me: since we can already deport people who do this, why do we need this law? What’s the point of it? Why are Republicans balking on passing immigration bills with us that contain things they asked for, but instead trying to pass superfluous laws?

 

[HereticBD]

Politics are cyclical. I'm old enough to remember when the Democrats were "finished" after the 94 midterms.

While that is true, it feels different this time. The culture war wasn't nearly as prominent as it is now, with social media. It never felt like a sea change like this does. The Dems have never been this crazy and aloof before.

Anything can happen though. Obama fucked the Dems' shit up real good, in the last two years of his administration. Bush Jr went from badass defender of America, to shit heel war monger real quick. We'll see, but my prediction is that Conservatives in the west are about to have a nice long run.