You seem confused. I've been agreeing with you all along that Nate would lose to each and every example of different levels of competition you brought up for him to face. What is going over your head is that he is still a better boxer than Holly who came from the shallowest talent pool in sports.Your redundant argument is getting old, Nate has no boxing skills apart from throwing a basic 1-2 and blocking punches with his face. He tries to roll punches and show good defense but fails miserably for the most part. So many people here know jack shit about boxing, it's annoying.