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Hey guys, what are your thoughts on "Trapping"?

Heh, I'm confused? Why the fuck is your mcdojobullshit tolerated here. If you live in 2009 and go around talking about WC being the coolest shit in the world you are a retard.

Agreed, don't know what happened to this forum.

Oh, wait, welcome to the Machida Era. :eek:

But when training and fighting your taught to step with each punch to put the mass of your entire body in the strike but u dont move forward with the foot rather your core which in the process slides your feet along the ground and the punch conects with your entire body mass so if you weigh 205 pounds thats 205 pounds of mass hitting your opponent at fast speed over and over again get it?

So, you just slide across the floor. Using your core.
Huh. So, uh, could you point me to any sort of real world, documented example where this shit works?
I'd be interested to see it.
 
Heh, I'm confused? Why the fuck is your mcdojobullshit tolerated here. If you live in 2009 and go around talking about WC being the coolest shit in the world you are a retard. How is Emin Boztepe's fighting career coming along? Havent seen much of him since his epic fight with William Cheung?

For anyone interested in reading a quite good explanation behind the physics of a punch you can get it here.

Obviously it's just a model, but an interesting read.

Im not saying WC is the coolest shit in the world this thread was about trapping (heavily used in WC) and then you didn't seem to understand how the WC punch worked and developed power so i just thought i would explain it to you. No need to be so irate about it geez i was only trying to educate you a little on a style you know nothing about whats wrong with helping someone?
 
So, you just slide across the floor. Using your core.
Huh. So, uh, could you point me to any sort of real world, documented example where this shit works?
I'd be interested to see it.

LOL i guess i explained wrong you still step like your walking its just you cant step forward and punch cause there will be no power in the strike so you have to move your whole body forward at the same time and the best way to do that is to initiate the movement from your core so the feet and arms have to move forward as well they cant resist so your whole mass is in the strike.

Understand yet i dont know how else to explain it and i dont have any vid's to show maybe check that site i linked to earlier they might:D
 
Im not saying WC is the coolest shit in the world this thread was about trapping (heavily used in WC) and then you didn't seem to understand how the WC punch worked and developed power so i just thought i would explain it to you. No need to be so irate about it geez i was only trying to educate you a little on a style you know nothing about whats wrong with helping someone?

Oh you was just trying to educate us a little.

You do realise that speed is power right? Do you have any understanding of science? Physics? Newtons law? Basically speed and frequency of punches = shit loads of force and power hitting you every few seconds. Those punches work.

My fucking bad, seemed to me like you was a condescending WC prick, who FYI does not seem to understand science, physics or reality very well.

I trained WC for a year, and when I was 16 I gobbled that shit up. Of course I didnt train at the only school in the world outside China thats certified by the chinese..

You are pushing a martial art here who has more or less ZERO competitors in anything at all, so how about you start trying to show some humility on board with lots of people who actually got sports and fight experience.
 
Oh you was just trying to educate us a little.



My fucking bad, seemed to me like you was a condescending WC prick, who FYI does not seem to understand science, physics or reality very well.

I trained WC for a year, and when I was 16 I gobbled that shit up. Of course I didnt train at the only school in the world outside China thats certified by the chinese..

You are pushing a martial art here who has more or less ZERO competitors in anything at all, so how about you start trying to show some humility on board with lots of people who actually got sports and fight experience.

I give up you obviously think im doing and saying the opposite of what i am. Im not pushing anything on any one i dont care what u train i respect all styles and im not gonna waste any more time with you trying to convince you that WC does work like all MA's do and educate you on things about the style that you dont know and have the wrong impression about.
 
Ive worked on trapping in the past, and Ive worked with guys who were pretty good at it too.

My thoughts are im not going to rely on it come fight time.
 
in fact my Academy is the only WC school in the entire world recognised as a legit WC school outside o china by the chines goverment so theres some food for thought


^ i talked to two different wing chun guys at my university and they both said that their styles were the real/traditonal wing chun and that all of the schools say that all the others arent legit lol. not saying that yours isnt good just thought id post this since i heard the two of them talking to each other about this a few days back
 
Actually the whole web site is full of all you need to know about every single Q u got on WC and as a side note the reason most of u guy's seem to hate on WC is probably cause you not learning it properly in fact my Academy is the only WC school in the entire world recognised as a legit WC school outside o china by the chines goverment so theres some food for thought

Sorry there mate Im just wondering why the Chinease government would bother to legitimise (if thats a word) a WC school in Australia, even still what you stated is the underlying problem with how WC operates, most instructors believe there way is the TRADITIONAL and proper way to do it and because of this they refuse to let the art progress
 
I think it could be useful in a ground and pound. Trap the guys arms and get a clean shot, rinse and repeat.
 
^ i talked to two different wing chun guys at my university and they both said that their styles were the real/traditonal wing chun and that all of the schools say that all the others arent legit lol. not saying that yours isnt good just thought id post this since i heard the two of them talking to each other about this a few days back

LOL do they live in Australia? If not yeah i guess Mc Dojo guy's would lie to bring students in it makes sense. Or the china goverment legitimised/approved another school which would be great :D
 
Sorry there mate Im just wondering why the Chinease government would bother to legitimise (if thats a word) a WC school in Australia, even still what you stated is the underlying problem with how WC operates, most instructors believe there way is the TRADITIONAL and proper way to do it and because of this they refuse to let the art progress

Im not sure why they did it to be honest just guessing though probably cause they didn't like the fact guy's were teaching BS and calling it WC so they recognised and supported/praised the our school but that's just a guess. And yeah i get what your saying with refusing to let the art progress but seriously other than MMA schools which schools do start incoporating grappling and new striking techniques into there syllabus? unless there a Mc Dojo again looking to make a quick buck and teaching BJJ when there not qualified too. Any way its not like my WC school doesn't allow people to cross train if you wanna learn grappling or other striking styles do it you dont have to learn everything in one school.
 
I think it could be useful in a ground and pound. Trap the guys arms and get a clean shot, rinse and repeat.

I saw a vid on youtube with a guy demonstrating that although its not pure WC there seems to be some BJJ as well but it say's Tai Chi on the start of the vid so not really sure what style he teaches heres a link to 1 of the vids theres a couple other one's that link from the page as well

YouTube - Wing Chun Grappling - Trapping From The Ground
 
i use trapping skills all the time when i spar against muay thai or boxing practitioners, and yes it does work and works well. They always come up to me after and ask me what i was doing because it is so effective.

The problem isn't the skill, the problem is that almost no one knows how to do it properly. Trapping skills work exactly like jujitsu skills. You have to think of trapping like stand up grappling.

You cannot try to "muscle" a move or you will get stuck. If you use your shoulders, you are wrong, if your shoulders turn, you are wrong. If you don't understand forward energy, you are wrong, if you don't understand constant pressure, you are wrong. High level sensitivity takes many many years to develop, just like a great grappler who can transition from move to move by feel alone rather than trying to force moves. Someone who is great at trapping, fights almost exactly like a high level grappler.

I have yet to meet anyone outside of pure wing chun who can do trapping properly. There are so many wannabe "trappers" who learn a few things but completely lack the structure or understanding of high level sensitivity. They then go and spar and get completely worked over. This is why the mma community at large look down at wing chun and trapping skills.

Now, with all that said, here's the flip side to the coin. Trapping skills alone will not work in the cage or ring. You must have a deep understanding of pure striking arts such as boxing, muay thai, savate etc...

You must also have a deep understanding of a pure grappling art such as judo, jujitsu, catch etc...

Trapping is only good between boxing and clinching range. So getting there is half the battle. That's why it's important to know a pure striking art.

In other words, you should never rely on trapping but should incorporate it just like any other range or tool in your arsenal.

Hmm...i guess the best way to show or explain this is to actually put up a video of myself sparring a pure striker using it. I'll try and get one up soon.

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Space between boxing and clinching. Not exactly a trap but a parry, though it shows how to use defense and offense at the same time. There's always a place and time for every technique. Not end all be all. But I think it works.

In addition, traps don't always have to end with a strike, it can also transition into a sweep or takedown. Works pretty good in Sanshou.

Throw a jab or biu jee to draw a parry or a jab, pak sao or trap the elbow, shoot for a single.
 
I'm working hard to change that. But i swear to all you guys out there...it works. I'm living proof it works in the MMA ring. I'm doing everything i can to progressing the trapping game so much, that i've dedicated my life to it.

Success is not about blending in but standing out.

I wish you the best of luck on your journey. I too am trying to integrate trapping into the sport of MMA. My background is Bak Mei.
 
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Space between boxing and clinching. Not exactly a trap but a parry, though it shows how to use defense and offense at the same time. There's always a place and time for every technique. Not end all be all. But I think it works.

Notice the Karate Parry pulls the hand down and the practioner (Machida) strikes over it? This is a poor pary because the attacker's other hand is free to strike in this case Lyoto beat him to the punch but he could have beaten Lyoto to the punch if he were faster and also he could have paryed Lyoto's incoming punch.

The WC pary pushes the hand across the attackers body into his other arm and strikes past it that way the attacker cant defend or counter punch because his two arms are tied up trapped.:icon_chee
 
BTW Randy Chung whats Bak Mei? I have never heard of this style what MA does it most resemble?
 
Well, I'm only an EE student, so physics is not my main subject but MASS is a big part of that equation and you dont need to be a physics major to understand that a boxer puts more mass behind a punch than those windmill WC punches. They look fast and impressive, but come on.

I don't think the mass would change per practitioner.

Part of proper boxing technique is footwork and shifting weight. Ideally you want to generate force from foot traction, torquing your core, and then channeling that all into your fist.

I think that momentum (mass * velocity) is important, but you also want a combination of rigidity and solid footing. Ideally, if you could achieve perfect rigidity and footing, then you could transfer twice your generated momentum in a reflection like process (the other momentum would come from the ground).

This is not mass, but it might be what you mean. Really these are all additional forces.

Another key point to be made is that the velocity of your fist upon impact does not strictly relate to the frequency of the punches. This is because to achieve a high frequency, you would need to start deaccelerating (rechambering) your punches before they actually land. If you look at video of WC practitioners attempting speed records, it is pretty obvious that the punches are very weak.


I actually happen to be a physicist, but this is not a topic that I've thought about a lot.
 
I don't think the mass would change per practitioner.

I actually happen to be a physicist, but this is not a topic that I've thought about a lot.

Yes, the mass analogy was probably not so good, even incorrect technically!
A bit sloppy in my terms there..

Did you happen to look at the link I posted about the physics of a punch?

"F=ma+cv+kx. This longer equation takes other variables into consideration, such as wind resistance, gravity, friction within joints, muscle tension, and energy lost through heat. This longer equation for force contains 6 parts: (mass x acceleration) + (velocity x displacement) + (damping x stiffness)"

It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on it, as the physical model of a punch is kinda interesting.
 
BTW Randy Chung whats Bak Mei? I have never heard of this style what MA does it most resemble?

It's an art from southern China.

Often fictionalized in chinese martial art films...

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Here is a good read...

Bak Mei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Technique wise, it has a lot of trapping similar to Wing Chun with lots of forward agressive movement from Tiger style Kung Fu.
 
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