HEAVYWEIGHT COACH (why the average coach shouldn't be training heavy weights)

[boingyman]

 

[nefti]

Alexandwr karelin disagrees with your anti cardio stance:

About my trainings

I train myself 6 times a week. Usually on Mondays my mornings begin from running. I run in the pine forest in the suburb of Novosibirsk. My usual morning training goes on for an hour or an hour and ten minutes. The distance is a little more than 10 km. My evening trainings on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday constitute a work on a mat with sparring-partners.

http://rippeder.com/content/aleksandr-karelin-workout-routine

 

[KnightTemplar]

Alexandwr karelin disagrees with your anti cardio stance:



http://rippeder.com/content/aleksandr-karelin-workout-routine

Fedor also did a lot of roadwork during his fighting career.

 

[-guerilla-]

Which is it? Just bait for chumps or something you actually believe? I know you seem to have problems with basic logic, but these two statements cannot both be true.

well thats a simple technique used to bait people into jumping to conclusions...

"only heavyweights should coach heavyweights" doesn't mean its should be illegal for a lightweight coach to train a heavyweight

it means THATS WHAT IS BEST in a perfect world

An OPTIMISED training strategy

got it?

 

[-guerilla-]

Alexandwr karelin disagrees with your anti cardio stance:



http://rippeder.com/content/aleksandr-karelin-workout-routine

Fedor also did a lot of roadwork during his fighting career.

running "for cardio" is conventional wisdom, its what most people do!

however....would your expect a heavy to "run for cardio" as long/far as a 115 yet not expect the 115 to LIFT AS MUCH as the heavy??

perhaps if karelin had been grappling "for cardio" instead of running he would not have gasses against roulon gardner!!!!




wrestling is 10X the cardio as running...!!!

running is a waste of mat time

 

[deadshot138]

running "for cardio" is conventional wisdom, its what most people do!

however....would your expect a heavy to "run for cardio" as long/far as a 115 yet not expect the 115 to LIFT AS MUCH as the heavy??

perhaps if karelin had been grappling "for cardio" instead of running he would not have gasses against roulon gardner!!!!




wrestling is 10X the cardio as running...!!!

running is a waste of mat time

Oh Rulon Gardner. I remember when Pride fed Hidehiko Yoshida to him. He punched the poor man's face into oblivion.

 

[-guerilla-]

Oh Rulon Gardner. I remember when Pride fed Hidehiko Yoshida to him. He punched the poor man's face into oblivion.

Yeah the fact that karelin gassed is only part of the reason he "lost" that match

There was a poorly-defined new rule that has since been eliminated that confused the situation and betrayed the Legacy of the Soviet Bloc Greco-Roman program

In all prior meetings Alexander karelin has mopped the floor with rulon Gardner... this time he gassed out and made a confused mistake regarding the new rule...

 

[-guerilla-]

movies as an example...

Thinks rocky was a true story

Fake wrestling fan??

But seriously everything you see on your TV is not scientifically factual

And your greatest sports Heroes may have not been trained in the very best way possible yet succeeded despite the suboptimal conditions

it's important to know the difference between drama and reality and understanding that optimal conditions are impossible but worth striving for it's something all the days coaches were aware of

A heavy weight should not be training light weights and a lightweight should not be training heavy weights in an optimized world

 

[KnightTemplar]

running "for cardio" is conventional wisdom, its what most people do!

however....would your expect a heavy to "run for cardio" as long/far as a 115 yet not expect the 115 to LIFT AS MUCH as the heavy??

perhaps if karelin had been grappling "for cardio" instead of running he would not have gasses against roulon gardner!!!!




wrestling is 10X the cardio as running...!!!

running is a waste of mat time

Show us on the special doll where Running touched you...

LISS running is conventional wisdom because it works. It's been a part of the GPP for athletes, fighters etc long before either of us were here, and it will continue to be so long after we're both in the cold ground. Just because you don't like and/or suck at running doesn't mean it's not useful.

 

[KnightTemplar]

well thats a simple technique used to bait people into jumping to conclusions...

"only heavyweights should coach heavyweights" doesn't mean its should be illegal for a lightweight coach to train a heavyweight

it means THATS WHAT IS BEST in a perfect world

An OPTIMISED training strategy

got it?

It wasn't an attempt to bait a response. It was a statement of what you believe, which was clearly, demonstrably, incorrect. Your pitiful, desperate attempts to back-pedal only serve to make you look weaker and dumber.

Got it?

 

[KnightTemplar]

running "for cardio" is conventional wisdom, its what most people do!

however....would your expect a heavy to "run for cardio" as long/far as a 115 yet not expect the 115 to LIFT AS MUCH as the heavy??

perhaps if karelin had been grappling "for cardio" instead of running he would not have gasses against roulon gardner!!!!




wrestling is 10X the cardio as running...!!!

running is a waste of mat time

Karelin: 3 Olympic Golds and 1 Silver. Undefeated for 13 years. 887 - 2. FILA ranked him as the greatest Greco-Roman Wrestler of the 20th Century.

But if only he'd had you as a coach, Karelin might have achieved something special, eh?

 

[-guerilla-]

Show us on the special doll where Running touched you...

LISS running is conventional wisdom because it works. It's been a part of the GPP for athletes, fighters etc long before either of us were here, and it will continue to be so long after we're both in the cold ground. Just because you don't like and/or suck at running doesn't mean it's not useful.

It wasn't an attempt to bait a response. It was a statement of what you believe, which was clearly, demonstrably, incorrect. Your pitiful, desperate attempts to back-pedal only serve to make you look weaker and dumber.

Got it?

Karelin: 4 Olympic Golds and 1 Silver. Undefeated for 13 years. 887 - 2. FILA ranked him as the greatest Greco-Roman Wrestler of the 20th Century.

But if only he'd had you as a coach, Karelin might have achieved something special, eh?

You can condense your cartoon cavalcade into one response if you like...LOL

we had a 2hr block to practice wrestling 5x days per week

TRADITIONALLY the athletes would check in... dress out and run their laps B4 they actually got ON THE MAT

about 15 min for lightweights 20-25 for middles and the 220-289 came in about 35...45 min later limping having "timed out" and never completing all the laps [completely gassed out and demoralized]

I COMPLETELY ELIMINATED this practice and ALL MY WRESTLERS checked in...dressed out and BEGAN THEIR WHARM UPS [that i designed] ...10 min later they WERE ALL WRESTLING NOT RUNNING!!!!!

in short order I BROKE ALL THE SCHOOL RECORDS for the 30years of wrestling at that school!!!

Why WASTE time running if you COULD BE WRESTLING...[SIMPLE]

WRESTLING is 10x more cardio than RUNNING!!!!

If you cant WRESTLE ride a bike or swim [more cardio in less time than running]

Running is traditional and traditions die hard especially with the simple minded "student" mentality

# got that?
# sport specific cardio!

I alraedy have a thread explaining this SIMPLE fact

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...ers-do-so-poorly-at-mma-cardio.3951245/page-4

this thread is about all the OTHER differences between heavyweight fight sports...[nobody seems to know anything about it, despite the videos i poster with world champs explaining it] in the OP]

 

[KnightTemplar]

You can condense your cartoon cavalcade into one response if you like...LOL

we had a 2hr block to practice wrestling 5x days per week

TRADITIONALLY the athletes would check in... dress out and run their laps B4 they actually got ON THE MAT

about 15 min for lightweights 20-25 for middles and the 220-289 came in about 35...45 min later limping having "timed out" and never completing all the laps [completely gassed out and demoralized]

I COMPLETELY ELIMINATED this practice and ALL MY WRESTLERS checked in...dressed out and BEGAN THEIR WHARM UPS [that i designed] ...10 min later they WERE ALL WRESTLING NOT RUNNING!!!!!

in short order I BROKE ALL THE SCHOOL RECORDS for the 30years of wrestling at that school!!!

Why WASTE time running if you COULD BE WRESTLING...[SIMPLE]

WRESTLING is 10x more cardio than RUNNING!!!!

If you cant WRESTLE ride a bike or swim [more cardio in less time than running]

Running is traditional and traditions die hard especially with the simple minded "student" mentality

# got that?
# sport specific cardio!

I alraedy have a thread explaining this SIMPLE fact

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...ers-do-so-poorly-at-mma-cardio.3951245/page-4

this thread is about all the OTHER differences between heavyweight fight sports...[nobody seems to know anything about it, despite the videos i poster with world champs explaining it] in the OP]

You broke all the wrestling records for your school. Karelin set the standard for the entire world in Greco-Roman Wrestling. There's a reason Brady and Belichick don't hire high school football coaches to run their training programs. And it has nothing to do with, "conventional wisdom".

Or to put it another way

 

[-guerilla-]

You broke all the wrestling records for your school. Karelin set the standard for the entire world in Greco-Roman Wrestling. There's a reason Brady and Belichick don't hire high school football coaches to run their training programs. And it has nothing to do with, "conventional wisdom".

Or to put it another way

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O MAN...

age:15
occupation:student
location:moms basement

you can waste your training time "running for cardio" if you want but your gonna get BEAT by athletes that use sport specific cardio programs because they are not wasting their time doing something that has 1/10th the cardio demand as wrestling



# got that?

 

[KnightTemplar]

O MAN...

age:15
occupation:student
location:moms basement

you can waste your training time "running for cardio" if you want but your gonna get BEAT by athletes that use sport specific cardio programs because they are not wasting their time doing something that has 1/10th the cardio demand as wrestling



# got that?

Everyone gets beat sometimes. Karelin, Fedor, Ali, and many other GOAT's have achieved more than you and all your students could dream of. And all of them included running as part of their GPP.

Stick to coaching high school, and leave discussions like these to people who actually know whereof they speak.

Got it?

 

[-guerilla-]

Everyone gets beat sometimes. Karelin, Fedor, Ali, and many other GOAT's have achieved more than you and all your students could dream of. And all of them included running as part of their GPP.

Stick to coaching high school, and leave discussions like these to people who actually know whereof they speak.

Got it?

Thats a cute little cartoon

Just because everybody you admire "runs for cardio" doesnt mean its the best way to spend your time

Lets take 3 genetically identical clones who have two hours per day of training opportunity

One spends 3/4 of his time running 1/4 of his time in MMA

The 2nd spends 1/2 his time running the other 1/2 in MMA

The third athlete doesn't run at all but spends 100% of his training time in MMA

Which athlete is most likely to win in a MMA contest?

# got that??

Read, think, respond...

 

[-guerilla-]

 

[wufabufa]

Thats a cute little cartoon

Just because everybody you admire "runs for cardio" doesnt mean its the best way to spend your time

Lets take 3 genetically identical clones who have two hours per day of training opportunity

One spends 3/4 of his time running 1/4 of his time in MMA

The 2nd spends 1/2 his time running the other 1/2 in MMA

The third athlete doesn't run at all but spends 100% of his training time in MMA

Which athlete is most likely to win in a MMA contest?

# got that??

Read, think, respond...

Lot's of whataboutism in that post.

I don't think anyone here is saying you should run more than you participate in skilled training. Skilled training should always take priority. However, at the highest level the margin for victory is often razor thin and with skillsets being nearly even already, supplementary work for cardio and strength will allow you to push harder than your opponent. Having a bigger gas tank built on something simple like running can be a huge advantage at any weightclass. We've all seen fights where the more skilled fighter gasses or lacks strength in certain areas and it ends up costing him/her the fight. See; BJ Penn's career. That's what happens when you only do skilled training and ignore your conditioning. His best years were during the time when Marv Marinovich was really pushing him to actually exercise outside of rolling, sparring, and hitting pads to improve his cardio.

Is running a cure all for everyone's cardio problems? No. Will it help? Yes, but with everything there's a point of diminishing returns. I do believe that running creates a strong base from which to work. If you're able to improve stroke volume and Vo2 max through a simple and effective task like running then you've opened up the doors to take your cardio a step further with things like HIIT, sprints, Tabata intervals, and overall being able to push harder during your skilled training. It's ok, you don't have to like running, but ignoring it is likely a mistake.

 

[wufabufa]

What an informative cartoon.

Ok, now I #get it. More testosterone + no running = unstoppable monster. Mark Coleman had the right idea by eating Clen, Trenning hard, Anavar giving up.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Thats a cute little cartoon

Just because everybody you admire "runs for cardio" doesnt mean its the best way to spend your time

Lets take 3 genetically identical clones who have two hours per day of training opportunity

One spends 3/4 of his time running 1/4 of his time in MMA

The 2nd spends 1/2 his time running the other 1/2 in MMA

The third athlete doesn't run at all but spends 100% of his training time in MMA

Which athlete is most likely to win in a MMA contest?

# got that??

Read, think, respond...

Just because you and the athletes you train don't run, doesn't mean running is not a proven method of GPP. Karelin, Fedor, Ali and the other GOAT's have forgotten more about winning at the highest level than you will ever know. And every single one of them included running in his training program. Your opinion on conditioning is as valid compared to them as a high school football coach's is to Darth Belichick.

Tap, Nap or Snap, boy. Because you're losing this Roll and spazzing out ain't gonna save you.

Got it?