If you can't see the opening you are delusional and beyond reason. That shoulder roll is doing nothing to stop the left hand, nor would it stop the right. It'd help against a left hook as he described in the video, but it might not if the hook clears the shoulder. I'm not suggesting that you need to cover up in a Philly shell every time you kick. Even with the guard up openings will be created, just not as big ones. Note: I see fighters use the double forearm guard while kicking all the time in K-1
First it was him getting hit three times. Now if it's just him being "open" to getting hit, so which is it?? If it the latter, then of course his head is open, it's an offensive maneuver; and just like any offensive maneuver be it a punch or kick or whatever there are going to be openings.
The shoulder shrug is a middle-ground manuever that helps to cover the chin and jawline while throwing the kick with full power, akin to keeping your chin near the shoulder during a punch. It's not meant to cover the entire head and face. The other hand is there to provide cover for the face and other side of the jaw. That's all there is to it.
What you have continually failed to acknowledge is that the defense of the kick lies in the power, speed, timing and placement of the kick. You have all that and you'd be successful with no hands at all. I honestly believe that you have the wrong mindset when it comes to kicking if your constantly worried about being countered during the kick. How are you 100% committed if you're too scared to throw the kick as it's taught?
I concede that In theory your argument makes sense, but it reality it fails to hold water because it's not only dis-proven by professionals, but by amateurs all the way down to the novices. Do you honestly believe that with the pragmatic approach to sport fighting that something so "flawed" would continue to be practiced?
Just in my past sparring session at the gym, I was working with one of the ammy's on his punching entries and counters. I PURPOSELY kicked him over and over again to help him learn to maneuver around kicks and use his hands to counter them. Even with my hands "down" he never hit my face during any kick. When he tried, he ate the kick and was stopped because I was off the line. Even on the right cross he tried he was dropped because I used a half shin half knee kick while leaning and using my opposite hand to parry. The times he got kicked in the face, each kick was because he didnt bring his punch straight back but let them drop as they returned.
Look, I can see you are insecure about your inability to reconcile your position with reason, and your ego feels threatened. That's no reason to lash out with insults.
Not at all, I'm just giving you the same attitude an tone you've given everyone else in this thread. Quid pro quo buddy. You want to be treated like the adult you claim to be, then you need to act like it. You can't talk shit and then try to play the "what's up with the insults?!" card.
I've been training for decades now and have done plenty of full contact sparring. Calling out my abilities with no evidence to support your accusations only makes you look like an asshole.
Call me an asshole if you'd like. Your statements and lack of understanding about the totality of successful kicking is the proof. I don't need to know your record to see your understanding of reality versus theory.
My training partners and my students seem to think I kick pretty hard, but my testimony is kind of pointless on the internet.
I could say the same of my partners and students. In fact that's what I'm known for are my legs and kicking ability. I've practiced that skill more than any other my entire life from age 5. But you're right...doesn't mean much on the internet.
Interestingly there are a few ways to generate power off one foot while recovering from a kick;
I guarantee you, that you cannot throw any sort of a powerful cross without a rear foot on the ground to transfer the power. If you want to throw arm punches that's fine. But let's see...
I like to bridge distance by kicking and landing forward off with my kicking leg, that forward step can generate power with either hand. Just like in a step-jab.
That's a good tactic for the kick-punch strategy. Works with straight kicks and snap kicks quite well, it
could work with thai round kicks if the kick is stopped with contact or done lightly...not so much if it's done with power and misses. This right here is part of the proof that I'm talking about as far as knowing how you kick. You don't do it the Thai way, hence you don't understand the mechanics involved.
You can also use the counter rotation of your kick recovery to punch as your kicking leg lands back as you recover. True your foot does land as you're punching, but this technique works better if your hands are in place.
Interesting...but it would lack power relative to a standard punch. How are you connected to the ground to transfer power?
Lastly you can fire the kicking hand as a superman punch by hopping your base foot as you swing the kicking foot behind you to generate core rotation. It's a little fancy, but it's a fun tool to have in your arsenal.
Interesting as well...it would catch people off guard but wont have as much relative power.
Agreed. It is natural biomechanics, and it's counter-intuitive to keep your hands up. Lots of things in martial arts are counter-intuitive at first. Again you can call me a pussy with no evidence to support that claim. Fair enough, I can say that you're selling yourself short for not holding yourself to a higher standard by training with your hands up. But hey, if the arm swing works for you, go for it. Like I said, plenty of people get away with lots of non-ideal technique.
This illustrates everyone elses point right here. You're coming off an elitest in that all other methods of kicking are inferior to yours. You're trying to play the "you guys don't like what I'm saying because I'm right" card now. Truthfully, you're not.
My point is for the purposes of training and instruction it's better to learn with the guard high and you can't summon a good reason not to. No point in being a dick about it.
I've summoned many and explained the Thai kick in detail for you to include all the reasons why it's done the way it's done. Even explained why you're able to do what you do and why it's not ideal for the Thai kick simply because it inhibits full power delivery. Body mechanics and physics are the reasons why it's not done. The more momentum in the kick the more counter balance you need to compensate for it. You just don't kick hard enough to understand that yet apparently. Snap kicks don't cut it in the power delivery comparison.
Ooh! A bonified internet tough guy threat! Okay Lonestar, you pay for my plane ticket and a hotel room and I'll be happy to exchange pointers with you.
I'm sorry if my language made it sound like I was saying something to the effect that "everyone who drops their hands ever is a terrible fighter". I have nothing but respect for pro-fighters that swing their arms when they kick. No fighter is perfect, but it is foolish not to strive for better form.
Why would I pay for you? The onus is no you to prove everyone wrong...not the other way around. Until you prove it in some form or fashion...spouting off some epiphany of yours on the internet will do little to gain you a following. My offer is just a genuine offer to train and learn from one another. We could talk all day on the internet and nothing will change until you see for yourself where you're incorrect.
You're pissed because you expected everyone to be like "oh crap this guy is right!" You didn't get the support you thought you were going to get and as such you're holding on for dear life to this thread. Better form is whatever makes the kick more effective. Using double crazy monkey defense while you kick does nothing to make the kick more effective. That's why its not done.
