Has Jiri become underrated?

I think people see the weakness in his style , he got knocked down and hurt in every fight he’s had , then him getting knocked out twice by periera showed his weakness. Ontop of that, he posts stupid training videos , while never actually working on his head movement
 
MetaIIica said:
I think people see the weakness in his style , he got knocked down and hurt in every fight he’s had , then him getting knocked out twice by periera showed his weakness. Ontop of that, he posts stupid training videos , while never actually working on his head movement
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Oliveira gets hurt in most fights he's had too. If they end up winning, why does it matter?

If only one guy can beat him, then it doesn't really exploit much of a weakness.
 
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Doctor Grudge said:
Oliveira gets hurt in most fights he's had too. If they end up winning, why does it matter?

If only one guy can beat him, then it doesn't really exploit much of a weakness.
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Why would you think only one guy can beat him? Despite the finishes, Jiri didn't exactly dominate in his UFC wins. He was losing badly to Glover when he got the miracle late stoppage and he lost the first round in two of his three other UFC wins (all second round stoppages). Even if you count stoppages as rounds won, he's lost more UFC rounds than he's won. Everyone he's fought in the UFC had no difficulty at all hitting him. If you're trying to predict his future results all the rest of those things together matter a lot more than him managing to get a few stoppages.

Jiri's been exceedingly reckless and lucky in his UFC run. He's the LHW UFC Gaethje 1.0, only more lucky and less fun to watch.
 
Jiri is fun but he has a ton of technical flaws. He often puts himself in a position where the opponent is strong at and he will try to dig himself out of that hole.
 
Pereira probably takes all the attention, which isn’t undeserved ; but Jiri is still excellent, and also younger, so who knows ! He might shine again in the next years.
 
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Tokoloko said:
Jiri's biggest enemy is his ego / pride. He accepted first fight vs Pereira meanwhile he had brutal infection in one of his limbs, and reportedly wasnt able even prepare himself. - Of course he said that he is in best form and etc of his life and many including me trusted him... After fight he said that he wouldnt accept fight injured again. And what happened? Jiri happened get same injury before rematch - Thats why he was probably talking about "black magic".

Its highly unlikely we will see 3rd fight unless Poatan loses belt and Jiri gets it...but if so i hope both fighters will be healthy.
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Where is it said that Jiri had the same infection in the second fight vs Poatan? He said in the first fight there was a lot of illness... But he never pointed to that before the fight. In the second fight, he said he was in shape, unlike in the first fight. Why'd he accept a second match vs Poatan if he said after the Rakić fight that for Poatan, he'd need to be even better than vs Rakić to win? Because he felt even better... But now he was seriously sick again?

That has nothing to do with what he meant by black magic. He said that totally in terms of Poatan being more focused than normally. He said that he realized that during Poatan's fight vs Hill, in which Poatan's focus and calmness didn't seem natural, seemed like he was fighting with transcendental things helping him in the octagon...
 
NoSmilez said:
Jiri is fun but he has a ton of technical flaws. He often puts himself in a position where the opponent is strong at and he will try to dig himself out of that hole.
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Manly Musashi style fighting
 
Jiri’s skill at remaining in a dark room is very underrated. However, his ability to win when facing Alex Pereira is overrated.
 
LiQuiD42 said:
Jiri’s skill at remaining in a dark room is very underrated. However, his ability to win when facing Alex Pereira is overrated.
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I'd make:

Jiri is overrated when he is on top, but underrated when he loses... Like every fighter. Oh this guy who won all fights just lost, EXPOSED!... That seems a typical mentality. Like, I think I might have got caught up on the Jiri hype a little when I thought he was better than Jon Jones and would have defeated JJ and DC in their heydays when I watched him beating Reyes like that... But that's because me, like many ppl, have the tendency to judge performance in a specific fight rather than looking at consistency. I had assumed LHW was becoming better and tough for the Boogeyman JJ since Reyes gave JJ a really fucking run for his money and ended up being slightly outperformed by Jones... And then seeing Jiri destroying Reyes made me thing for a moment the new LHW was better...

... But I just failed to look at the consistency JJ had fought, like, Jones has had 20 fights in LHW while not being defeated once, and there wasn't a name that made ppl really look up as the guy who'll stop JJ like Gus, DC, Glover... The wear and tear gets fighters a lot, but still he edged Reyes out slightly. Jiri Prochazka hadn't that wear and tear and that was his huge opportunity for a title shot.

Ofc Jiri Prochazka isn't as good as JJ now while having further Intel, but that doesn't mean I think he is anything like average because Poatan won... Poatan has been defeating only beasts and Poatan is a beast. Jiri is still among the best fighters in the world, however, not a best candidate like I thought since a potential JJ vs Poatan bout is still seen by specialists as a likely JJ victory... But there is a line between not a 10/10 like I thought, but not a 5/10 either... Still a solid 7.5 / 8 while out of the curve fighters like Poatan are on the 9 level, with JJ and Aspinall being like 9.5 ...
 
joy2day said:
Overrated for what? In terms of his skill or overall considerations as a fighter (which would include being exciting)?

He's a fun fighter to have, and is good, but I wouldn't say great. He would get beat by elite strikers and probably any grappler that is very good. He is good in terms of the current crop of LHWs, which doesn't include any grapplers and has only one elite striker.

He might be the champ without Alex, which reflects well on Jiri but not so much on the state of the LHW division. Grapplers have gone extinct at LHW.
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Yeah, and his "eat 5 punches to hopefully land one KO shot" style isn't going to age well. He's 32, not terribly old for a LHW, but has 4 KO losses already. His prime window is probably getting pretty short unless he revamps his style.
 
Söze Aldo said:
Gaethje may not be a bad comparison but I feel he doesn't get the same hate/dismissal following a loss the way Jiri has.
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It's hard to compare weight classes, since lower weight fighters are usually more skilled. But I'd say Gaethje is more skilled and well-rounded. He has arguably the best leg kicks in his division, pretty good offensive boxing (not much defense but probably more than Jiri) and a good enough anti-wrestler to avoid problems on the ground unless he's facing an elite wrestler or BJJ specialist. And he actually looked somewhat technical during what I'd consider his prime coming off his first fight with Poirier. Those were the Vick, Barboza, Cerrone and Ferguson fights (2018-20), all won by KO/TKO and showing more skill/patience than his younger or older self. I think he went back to brawling starting with the Chandler fight.
 
JBJ was here said:
Why would you think only one guy can beat him? Despite the finishes, Jiri didn't exactly dominate in his UFC wins. He was losing badly to Glover when he got the miracle late stoppage and he lost the first round in two of his three other UFC wins (all second round stoppages). Even if you count stoppages as rounds won, he's lost more UFC rounds than he's won. Everyone he's fought in the UFC had no difficulty at all hitting him. If you're trying to predict his future results all the rest of those things together matter a lot more than him managing to get a few stoppages.

Jiri's been exceedingly reckless and lucky in his UFC run. He's the LHW UFC Gaethje 1.0, only more lucky and less fun to watch.
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I dont think one guy can beat him, but saying that Alex exposed his weaknesses makes little sense. Most people can't hit like like Alex, so I'm not sure how Alex exposed anything. Jiri was always wreckless, it wasn't something we learned because he got knocked out by a head kick.

So Jiri losing to Poatan didn't "expose" him.

Yes, he has no difficulty getting hit, but he's able to get people into firefights which he excels. Sure, he has weaknesses - don't most fighters? The champion has weaknesses too.
 
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Luffy said:
Where is it said that Jiri had the same infection in the second fight vs Poatan? He said in the first fight there was a lot of illness... But he never pointed to that before the fight. In the second fight, he said he was in shape, unlike in the first fight. Why'd he accept a second match vs Poatan if he said after the Rakić fight that for Poatan, he'd need to be even better than vs Rakić to win? Because he felt even better... But now he was seriously sick again?

That has nothing to do with what he meant by black magic. He said that totally in terms of Poatan being more focused than normally. He said that he realized that during Poatan's fight vs Hill, in which Poatan's focus and calmness didn't seem natural, seemed like he was fighting with transcendental things helping him in the octagon...
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People from his team said that he is in best form of his life before first fight as well. :D - Infection stuff is from Czech interviews with Jiri...
 
World eater said:
Who cares. Jiri is a freaking gift to the stale world of modern UFC. He takes risks at the highest level and makes every fight exciting. Jiri bless.
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Exactly. My favorite fighters are the ones that are fun to watch, not the ones that always win.

Jiri is like Sakuraba in that regard.
 
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