International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VI

[Rational Poster]

Will the Palestinians be able to return back home once the war is over ? Oh no they have no home. And I suppose Jewish sellers should come back in Gaza too am I right ?

Oh yeah it's a "voluntary migration" after having killed them, crippled them, starved them, destroyed their home, deprived them from medical aid and slaughtering their family.

It kinda reminds me of some historical event where some brutal militias slaughtered entire villages including women and children so they could colonize the land... wait I think it was in 1948... in the same area too !

1948? You mean when the Arab world declared genocide on the Israelis for adhering to a UN mandate and called on the Palestinians to flee the region so they could carry out the genocide?

 

[Koya]

A slice of life from Gaza. It's not much and probably a source of laughter for some people here but it highlights many details, like talking over the bombings and such

 

[Koya]

1948? You mean when the Arab world declared genocide on the Israelis for adhering to a UN mandate and called on the Palestinians to flee the region so they could carry out the genocide?

No I mean when the UN try to give 54% of the land of Palestine to the Jewish community who privately owned 10% of it and then the Arabs refused because it's common sense to not give up your land with no compensation ever and then the Jewish militias slaughtered entire villages.

I've referenced it with sources many times in this thread already.

Now tell us, will Palestinians be allowed to go back to Gaza after the war and the mass deportation and ethnic cleansing that you're advocating for ? Or you're going to not fully follow through your ideas yet again ?

Once you've deported the Gaza population, can they come back ?

 

[Rational Poster]

No I mean when the UN try to give 54% of the land of Palestine to the Jewish community who privately owned 10% of it and then the Arabs refused because it's common sense to not give up your land with no compensation ever and then the Jewish militias slaughtered entire villages.

I've referenced it with sources many times in this thread already.

Now tell us, will Palestinians be allowed to go back to Gaza after the war and the mass deportation and ethnic cleansing that you're advocating for ? Or you're going to not fully follow through your ideas yet again ?

Once you've deported the Gaza population, can they come back ?

So you are talking about the 1948 war the Palestinians started and declared genocide on Jews, but you're too cowardly to admit it. Got it.

 

[kflo]

Yeah like Israel is going to give Gaza to Egypt. Totally going to happen

they would never share a border with egypt!

 

[sangreporsangre]

 

[Snubnoze707]

He's being brutally honest here. living side by side obviously isn't working. none of the Arab "brother" nations are willing to take in Palestinians (including the ridiculously oil rich ones).

what other options are there? you see what happened in Gaza after Ariel Sharon gave it up.

I hate to be mr. Cynical here, but a two state solution seems impossible at this point.

So you are admitting the objective isn't to remove Hamas, it's to ethnic ally cleanse Palestinians from the region by starving them and bombing them to bits. Using terrorism as a means of policy. I'm glad you can admit this. God bless them tho, right?

 

[Snubnoze707]

Cry more loser.

Who the fuck are you? Go back to lurking.

 

[Koya]

So you are talking about the 1948 war the Palestinians started and declared genocide on Jews, but you're too cowardly to admit it. Got it.

Lol please. You won't even answer a simple question, as usual it's an pattern with you, and only got to do it now about you mass deportation fantasies when you got a buddy to support you in the thread. I'm answering your questions, I'm writing another comment just below to answer you so it is more readable, now be a man too and answer mine :
will Palestinians be allowed to go back to Gaza after the war and the mass deportation and ethnic cleansing that you're advocating for ? Or you're going to not fully follow through your ideas yet again ?

Once you've deported the Gaza population, can they come back ?

 

[William Munny]

So you are admitting the objective isn't to remove Hamas, it's to ethnic ally cleanse Palestinians from the region by starving them and bombing them to bits. Using terrorism as a means of policy. I'm glad you can admit this. God bless them tho, right?

no, not at all. you asked me to address a video and I did.

I was being honest about the situation.

and yes, God bless IDF, and Fuck Hamas, and all Hamas fan boys.

 

[Snubnoze707]

just regular tunnels used for regular old transport. just tunnels........

terror tunnels would be a better descriptor.

gaza has terror tunnels. used by terrorists. for terrorist and military activities.

i know it's a minor difference.......

As opposed to the IDF who have full on terrorst bases...

 

[Koya]

they would never share a border with egypt!

Let it happen then. Which israeli politician is pushing for it remind me again ?

 

[Rational Poster]

Lol please. You won't even answer a simple question, as usual it's an pattern with you, and only got to do it now about you mass deportation fantasies when you got a buddy to support you in the thread. I'm answering your questions, I'm writing another comment just below to answer you so it is more readable, now be a man too and answer mine :
will Palestinians be allowed to go back to Gaza after the war and the mass deportation and ethnic cleansing that you're advocating for ? Or you're going to not fully follow through your ideas yet again ?

Once you've deported the Gaza population, can they come back ?

I have no obligation to respond to your incredibly biased and loaded questions or your wild accusations or assumptions.

You've never responded to a single one of my questions.

lol

 

[Koya]

So you are talking about the 1948 war the Palestinians started and declared genocide on Jews, but you're too cowardly to admit it. Got it.

As usual the irrational irrelevant poster putting his own turn on the events. I know you hate context but let's dig on the matter deep shall we :

The land was given by the UN who initiated a partition plan after years of the british being lobbied by the zionist movement who had a proto-form in the 19th century and really took off after Theodor Herzl invigorated the movement from Austria-Hungary in the end of the same century. Then in the Balfour Declaration in 1917, a letter from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The noteworthy quote from this document is this:

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

The document speaks for itself. The land wasn't given by palestinians in 1948. It was given by the British in 1917 already, a land and a people they had no right to decide upon.

With this push in just two decades the Zionist movement put real momentum behind Jewish migration to Palestine, and the Arabs, none too fond of either British occupation or having to watch as Jews immigrated en mass with the expressed purpose of turning Palestine into a Jewish state, grew restless. The British responded to Arab revolts with the Peel Commission, which for the first time proposed a partitioning of Palestine into Arab and Jewish lands. The Arabs rejected the proposals and revolts resumed. During the Arab revolts, the British used the assistance of Jewish militias to help suppress the revolts, and even sometimes to the point of arming, funding and maintaining some zionist units.

The British looked to calm Arab opposition in Palestine with the White Paper of 1939 which inter alia restricted Jewish immigration to Palestine and restricted the possibility for Jews to buy land from Arabs.This move was pretty unpopular with the supporters of zionism and with the rise of nazism and the jewish europeans fleeing the anti-jewish atrocities in Europe, Jewish militias turned against the British occupation and resorted to terrorism against the British as well as the Arabs.

The British stuck it out for the course of WWII, but were clearly ready to wash their hands of it all shortly after.

Then in 1947 after WWII the UN forced a partition plan where they gave the jewish settlers 56% of the land while they privately owned only 10% of it and offered 44% of the land to the indigenous Arab inhabitants while their population was twice the size of the Jewish one. Of course it was totally unjust, unfair and iniquitous so it led without surprise to not only one but two wars, including the atrocious massacres of palestinians I've given you references of, and after that the newly formed israel state went beyond and overstep the UN partition plan and seized 78% of the territory. Hence the start of the UN condemnations fo israel because it was created by the UN but shat in its face as soon as it was capable of doing so, like with the british.

The proposed plan was considered to have been pro-Zionist by its detractors, with 56%[9] of the land allocated to the Jewish state despite the Palestinian Arab population numbering twice the Jewish population.[10] The plan was celebrated by most Jews in Palestine[11] and reluctantly[12] accepted by the Jewish Agency for Palestine with misgivings.[13] Zionist leaders viewed the acceptance of the plan as a tactical step and a stepping stone to future territorial expansion over all of Palestine.

So why the population who held 90% of the privately held land should have accepted that we took anything from them because the united nations said so ? Would it have been acceptable for any other country in the world ? Why do you not volunteer to give your country ? How can anyone label all the events that led to this "a war started by palestinians" you're kidding me right ? Then the indians started the war against the europeans invaders and the lybians started the war against the italians too ?

Even David ben gourion wasn't as delusional as you :

If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been anti — Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: We have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” (David Ben Gurion — the first Israeli prime minister — quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.)

 

[Rational Poster]

As usual the irrational irrelevant poster putting his own turn on the events. I know you hate context but let's dig on the matter deep shall we :

The land was given by the UN who initiated a partition plan after years of the british being lobbied by the zionist movement who had a proto-form in the 19th century and really took off after Theodor Herzl invigorated the movement from Austria-Hungary in the end of the same century. Then in the Balfour Declaration in 1917, a letter from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The noteworthy quote from this document is this:

The document speaks for itself. The land wasn't given by palestinians in 1948. It was given by the British in 1917 already, a land and a people they had no right to decide upon.

With this push in just two decades the Zionist movement put real momentum behind Jewish migration to Palestine, and the Arabs, none too fond of either British occupation or having to watch as Jews immigrated en mass with the expressed purpose of turning Palestine into a Jewish state, grew restless. The British responded to Arab revolts with the Peel Commission, which for the first time proposed a partitioning of Palestine into Arab and Jewish lands. The Arabs rejected the proposals and revolts resumed. During the Arab revolts, the British used the assistance of Jewish militias to help suppress the revolts, and even sometimes to the point of arming, funding and maintaining some zionist units.

The British looked to calm Arab opposition in Palestine with the White Paper of 1939 which inter alia restricted Jewish immigration to Palestine and restricted the possibility for Jews to buy land from Arabs.This move was pretty unpopular with the supporters of zionism and with the rise of nazism and the jewish europeans fleeing the anti-jewish atrocities in Europe, Jewish militias turned against the British occupation and resorted to terrorism against the British as well as the Arabs.

The British stuck it out for the course of WWII, but were clearly ready to wash their hands of it all shortly after.

Then in 1947 after WWII the UN forced a partition plan where they gave the jewish settlers 56% of the land while they privately owned only 10% of it and offered 44% of the land to the indigenous Arab inhabitants while their population was twice the size of the Jewish one. Of course it was totally unjust, unfair and iniquitous so it led without surprise to not only one but two wars, including the atrocious massacres of palestinians I've given you references of, and after that the newly formed israel state went beyond and overstep the UN partition plan and seized 78% of the territory. Hence the start of the UN condemnations fo israel because it was created by the UN but shat in its face as soon as it was capable of doing so, like with the british.


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So why the population who held 90% of the privately held land should have accepted that we took anything from them because the united nations said so ? Would it have been acceptable for any other country in the world ? Why do you not volunteer to give your country ? How can anyone label all the events that led to this "a war started by palestinians" you're kidding me right ? Then the indians started the war against the europeans invaders and the lybians started the war against the italians too ?

Even David ben gourion wasn't as delusional as you :

If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been anti — Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: We have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” (David Ben Gurion — the first Israeli prime minister — quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.)

(And instead of lobbying for their interests peacefully at the UN like the Israelis did, they declared war and genocide on Israel and have been suffering the consequences of that military defeat for the last 80 years)

 

[Koya]

I have no obligation to respond to your incredibly biased and loaded questions or your wild accusations or assumptions.

You've never responded to a single one of my questions.

lol

I've always did over and over and over again and just did AGAIN in the comment above that one. Everyone in this thread sees I'm answering you and you're not reciprocating.

No one has an obligation to answer no one, as there is no forum police, it's quite an asinine claim to express. We are here to discuss with each other and if you don't respond to me it's because you can't because your take as so outrageous that it would even shock or make uncomfortable the other pro israeli posters here, you literally are on the same as Ben Gvir and Smotrich, no you're even a pioneer because you had the idea to deport 2 million Gazans before them.

Now be a good coward and avoid the question again :

will Palestinians be allowed to go back to Gaza after the war and the mass deportation and ethnic cleansing that you're advocating for ? Or you're going to not fully follow through your ideas yet again ?

Once you've deported the Gaza population, can they come back ?

 

[kflo]

Let it happen then. Which israeli politician is pushing for it remind me again ?

i haven't seen palestinian supporters push for it, or egypt for that matter. it works for me. you in?

 

[kflo]

As opposed to the IDF who have full on terrorst bases...

you're close. they have military bases. identified as military bases. with military personnel. dressed as military personnel.

not terror tunnels under civilian spaces with terrorists dressed as civilians.

and brooklyn just had a regular tunnel.

 

[Rational Poster]

I've always did over and over and over again and just did AGAIN in the comment above that one. Everyone in this thread sees I'm answering you and you're not reciprocating.

No one has an obligation to answer no one, as there is no forum police, it's quite an asinine claim to express. We are here to discuss with each other and if you don't respond to me it's because you can't because your take as so outrageous that it would even shock or make uncomfortable the other pro israeli posters here, you literally are on the same as Ben Gvir and Smotrich, no you're even a pioneer because you had the idea to deport 2 million Gazans before them.

Now be a good coward and avoid the question again :

will Palestinians be allowed to go back to Gaza after the war and the mass deportation and ethnic cleansing that you're advocating for ? Or you're going to not fully follow through your ideas yet again ?

Once you've deported the Gaza population, can they come back ?

I'm still waiting on you to respond to my original questions from weeks ago before I get to this.

 

[Koya]

i haven't seen palestinian supporters push for it, or egypt for that matter. it works for me. you in?

Given the fact that israel is totally blocking the creation of a palestinian state and that Gazans are being slaughtered gy the hundreds everyday, of course I am. Anything that can bring a ceasefire, dignity to Palestinians and peace in the region I'm all for it.

But it is just wishful thinking as israel will never ever give the land to egypt and the international community would have to drop humongus amounts of aid for the egyptian government so it can take care of 2 million people, many who are disabled or cripples.

But if it can be done, do it now, yes.