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International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VI

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So they get to do violence forever because their ancestors lost a war that they declared?

Do Israel get to do oppression forever because their ancestors won a war?

Did any non-evil country do that before?

Has Japan been punished infinitely? Germany? Iraq?

No?

Oh, that's right, when you win a war you are morally obligated to guide the losing state towards being a non-aggressive entity through negotiation.

Unless you're Israel, of course, in which case, whatever.

Israel-Palestine is literally stuck in the WW1=>WW2 phase of oppressing the fuck out of their enemy (in that case Germany) thus ensuring endless war - until you stop oppressing them, like retards.
 
Do Israel get to do oppression forever because their ancestors won a war?

Did any non-evil country do that before?

Has Japan been punished infinitely? Germany? Iraq?

No?

Oh, that's right, when you win a war you are morally obligated to rebuild the losing state as a non-aggressive entity.

Unless you're Israel, of course, in which case, whatever.



How many rockets did Germany fire at the UK after 1945?
 
How many rockets did Germany fire at the UK after 1945?

DiD gErMaNy AtTaCk AnYoNe AfTeR wW1?!??!


"Post-conflict reconstruction" - wot dat?
 
DiD gErMaNy AtTaCk AnYoNe AfTeR wW1?!??!


"Post-conflict reconstruction" - wot dat?

From your own gish gallop if you ever decide to read any of it.

"
The military occupations of Germany and Japan after the Second World War are probably the most prominent examples in modern times of the economic and political reconstruction of a defeated country. Historian John Dower, for example, has suggested that they were used by US policymakers in 2002 and 2003 as examples of successful military occupations. Despite the successful outcome, however, post-conflict reconstruction in occupied Germany should not be seen as a direct model for countries where specific circumstances may be very different.

If there had been armed resistance in occupied Germany, requiring British troops to fight back and possibly kill civilians, as has occurred in other post-conflict situations such as Iraq, the outcome might have been very different. There was no armed resistance because Germany had been completely defeated in war and the Nazi government utterly discredited. Acceptance by a majority of both occupiers and occupied that the previous regime had been illegitimate, together with the establishment of law and order, peace and internal security, adequate supplies of food and measures to prevent disease, were the crucial pre-conditions for the positive work of reconstruction."


<Dany07>
 
And some Palestinians attack Israel because it has been the source of constant oppression for as long as they've been alive, blaming them for decisions they never made.

What is this, a Junior School ethics class?

People who believe in oppressive systems do not understand the concept of revenge and resentment. They think it's people 'choosing to be victims".

Every time we have this convo they are acting like the Palestinains are somehow obligated to turn the other cheek when everytime the Palestinians fight back its a license for Israel to go on a psycotic rampage.

You often hear the anti Palestine posters say things like "well your side lost" and "this is what happens in war", "if you didn't want this you shouldn't have started a war" as if people should be punished for resisting if they aren't strong enough when thats really the main reason they needed to resist in the first place.
 
The Likud see this as the elimination of Israel "as a Jewish state" because Palestinians and anti Zionist Jews would have a majority. That is why the west keeps pushing the 2 state solution they see that as the only alternative to the status quo.

Putting that aside do you really think the Palestinians and Israelis could work together under 1 banner at this point after everything that's happened? In later Ottoman times it did but at the point there was no reason for the 2 groups to dislike each other. The Israelis would struggle to adapt to a society they don't dominate, the Palestinains would struggle to get over everything. It feels like a failed state waiting to happen. The shit happening right now is the kind of thing that takes lifetimes to get over.
There is no doubt that it would be extremely rocky for at least a generation. But what is the alternative? Repeating this cycle of violence every generation?
 
From your own gish gallop if you ever decide to read any of it.

"
The military occupations of Germany and Japan after the Second World War are probably the most prominent examples in modern times of the economic and political reconstruction of a defeated country. Historian John Dower, for example, has suggested that they were used by US policymakers in 2002 and 2003 as examples of successful military occupations. Despite the successful outcome, however, post-conflict reconstruction in occupied Germany should not be seen as a direct model for countries where specific circumstances may be very different.

If there had been armed resistance in occupied Germany, requiring British troops to fight back and possibly kill civilians, as has occurred in other post-conflict situations such as Iraq, the outcome might have been very different. There was no armed resistance because Germany had been completely defeated in war and the Nazi government utterly discredited. Acceptance by a majority of both occupiers and occupied that the previous regime had been illegitimate, together with the establishment of law and order, peace and internal security, adequate supplies of food and measures to prevent disease, were the crucial pre-conditions for the positive work of reconstruction."


<Dany07>

Who said they got it perfect first time?

Is that the 'reasonable' expectation of black-and-white derpers like you?

Israel should build on that, how about that for some out-of-the-box genius?
 
No way in hell Israel would absorb that many Palestinians with voting rights. They want to keep a demographic Jewish majority.

2 days ago, an Israeli politician, David Azoulai, was advocating for sending all the Gazans on boats into Lebanon and leaving them there.
Well you can’t take what one politician says off the cuff as some official stance. That’s like pretending what MTG says is representative of the American people
 
There is no doubt that it would be extremely rocky for at least a generation. But what is the alternative? Repeating this cycle of violence every generation?

@Rational Poster - There is no other alternative, on and on and on we go! Oppression-war-oppression-war-oppression-war, there's no other way. It might be rocky otherwise.

Genuinely the discussion we're having parallel to the one you're having lmao
 
Who said they got it perfect first time?

Is that the 'reasonable' expectation of black-and-white derpers like you?

Israel should build on that, how about that for some out-of-the-box genius?

There can be no reasonable expectation for the victors in war to care for their enemies until hostilities completely cease and they never have.
 
There can be no reasonable expectation for the victors in war to care for their enemies until hostilities completely cease and they never have.

Holy fucking shit <45> <45> <45> <45>

Can you re-read that tomorrow once you've had some sleep?
 
How many decades should Israelis allow Palestinians to fire rockets at them?

Thanks for at least walking that back, Jesus fucking Christ.

Anyway, no need to punish you endlessly for that obvious brain fart.

Israelis shouldn't allow Palestinians to want to fire rockets at them.

This is the art of negotiation.

There isn't a war on this planet that lasted forever, nor will there ever be one.
 
Thanks for at least walking that back, Jesus fucking Christ.

Anyway, no need to punish you endlessly for that obvious brain fart.

Israelis shouldn't allow Palestinians to want to fire rockets at them.

This is the art of negotiation.

There isn't a war on this planet that lasted forever, nor will there ever be one.

Walk what back lmao?

No brain farts here, just you stumbling over your own gish gallop and trying to save face or something.
 
Well you can’t take what one politician says off the cuff as some official stance. That’s like pretending what MTG says is representative of the American people

Ok but there are actual laws on the books that are designed to always have a Jewish majority in Israel. There have also been many politicians and Israeli leaders who have expressed the importance of keeping a Jewish majority over the years.
 
Walk what back lmao?

No brain farts here, just you stumbling over your own gish gallop and trying to save face or something.

"I learned the phrase gish gallop this week!"

lol
 
"I learned the phrase gish gallop this week!"

lol

Feel free to search my post history I've used it plenty over the years and sorry that pointing it out makes you feel bad.

(And that you didn't realize it entirely backed up my point I was trying to make because you didn't even read it)
 
Feel free to search my post history I've used it plenty over the years and sorry that pointing it out makes you feel bad.

(And that you didn't realize it entirely backed up my point I was trying to make because you didn't even read it)

Okay, cool.

What's a gish gallop, and how do you think it applies here?
 
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