International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. V

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do you have any sources about anything you say ? because I try to back up my posts with articles, videos and references. Can your Cheeto fingers do the same or are you afraid of burning too many calories ?
Vids have been posted all over these threads of Palestinian authorities, Palestinians and Palestinian supporters saying all sorts of fucked up shit about Jews. I'm not jumping through hoops for little old you. It's common knowledge.

Speaking of backing things up though:

Again contrary to you who called for the massacre of Palestinians and felt so edgy and cool when he did that wooo

Prove it, or apologize.
 
I don't avoid it like the plague, I specifically refuse to engage with your antagonizing approach because you still haven't responded to the questions I've raised to you directly.
I've responded to everything you asked today. I even engaged discussion way further than before. You can't deny that lol.

You're just a genocidal maniac that called for the entire displacement of the population of the Gaza strip and now you can't own it, because it will make you that on those boards : a genocidal maniac.

I guess we know where you take your inspiration from :


Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, who heads one of the religious nationalist parties in Netanyahu's coalition, said he supported a call by two members of the Israeli parliament who wrote in a Wall Street Journal editorial that Western countries should accept Gazan families who expressed a desire to relocate.

The comments underscore fears in much of the Arab world that Israel wants to drive Palestinians out of land where they want to build a future state, repeating the mass dispossession of Palestinians when Israel was created in 1948.

"I welcome the initiative of the voluntary emigration of Gaza Arabs to countries around the world," Smotrich said in a statement. "This is the right humanitarian solution for the residents of Gaza and the entire region after 75 years of refugees, poverty and danger."

You're totally not an israeli government hardcore supporter
 
Bibi got maybe 2 more weeks to finish this before the worm turns totally
What's gonna turn? Israel doesn't need anyone's permission or support to finish their mission. There's nothing outside of physical US intervention(which will never ever happen), that's gonna stop Israel's war effort.

It ain't getting wrapped up anytime soon. Israel will be occupying the rubble for quite some time, even after Hamas is dealt with.
 
One of these days there's going to have to work with the Israelis if they actually want peace.

Do you think they actually want peace?

Why do you never answer anything I actually say but keep dodging and asking other questions? Just quote what I say and answer point by point if I'm so wrong. Prove it to me. Unless I'm tight.

I feel like I'm talking to a propaganda bot

And since I'm not a bot I'll answer : yes I think the Palestinians want peace, way more than the Israelis.

The israelis have ministers that call for the displacement of the entire Gaza strip population (like you), officials that say gaza must be flattened to the ground with no building left, a prime minister that quote old testament verses that say their enemies must be slaughtered to the last enable mass colonization and expropriation of homes in the west bank as well as ruthlessly killing and terrorizing civilians daily in that same territory.

so yes Palestinians would like to be left alone but israelis do not want peace, they want extermination of Palestinians, and a Jewish ethnostate from the river to the sea, just like many of them actually say loudly and clearly now.
 
Vids have been posted all over these threads of Palestinian authorities, Palestinians and Palestinian supporters saying all sorts of fucked up shit about Jews. I'm not jumping through hoops for little old you. It's common knowledge.

Speaking of backing things up though:



Prove it, or apologize.
I'm not jumping through hoops for little old you. It's common knowledge.
 
What's gonna turn? Israel doesn't need anyone's permission or support to finish their mission. There's nothing outside of physical US intervention(which will never ever happen), that's gonna stop Israel's war effort.

It ain't getting wrapped up anytime soon. Israel will be occupying the rubble for quite some time, even after Hamas is dealt with.
Not debating whether he has a right to do this . Had the like happened here I would want same thing. I'm saying he has a few more weeks till overall sentiment globally goes from leaning g towards Israel's side to mixed to then going overwhelmingly against . Israel may be its own country and make own decisions but they are a modern nation dependent on its ties with rest of world for both supplies and defense.
 
Israeli Official Suggests Gaza Be ‘Flattened Completely, Just Like Auschwitz Today’
December 18th 2023



A local Israeli council head suggested in a radio interview that Gaza should be “flattened completely, just like Auschwitz today,” the latest Israeli official to publicly call for the annihilation of the besieged Palestinian enclave.

David Azoulai, a political leader for the northern Israeli town of Metula, made the remark Sunday in an interview with Tel Aviv’s Radio 103FM. He went further, suggesting that Palestinians in Gaza be forcibly sent to refugee camps in Lebanon. Metula sits near the Israel-Lebanon border.
 
I'm not jumping through hoops for little old you. It's common knowledge.
Nah', you're just an emotionally unstable liar.

Anyways, Hamas war effort? Five stars or one star?
 
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Honest question: why don’t you ever own up to their right abuses, war crimes and international law violations that the world has over and over called them out on and passed resolutions documenting their offences on? Has your morality or conscience never said maybe I should actually speak out on an atrocity or two? Are you so deep in your bias that you can’t even acknowledge facts the world has spelled out for you?
i'm sorry i don't allow you to just misrepresent israel in context of global abuses and atrocities against humanity relative to far worse nations. and it's not debatable.

and not that you care about truth:

Claims of bias and disproportionate attention on Israel​


In December 2006, Kofi Annan, former UN Secretary-General, accused the Human Rights Council of focusing too heavily on the Arab–Israeli conflict, while allowing it to monopolize attention at the expense of other situations where violations are no less grave or even worse.[227]

Matti Friedman, former AP correspondent in Israel, has analyzed what he perceives as the disproportionate media attention given to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, compared to other conflicts that are no less violent or even worse.[228][229][230]

Tuvia Tenenbom, in his book Catch the Jew!, argues that many seemingly "human rights" NGOs, EU representatives and Red Cross representatives that act in Israel actually come to implant and inflame the hatred of the Palestinians against Israel and the Jews, while promoting a one-sided view of the conflict in the world. He also claims that the textbooks in the schools run by the UN, UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency), and flyers distributed by the Red Cross prompt and encourage anti-semitism against Jews and teach toward a lack of recognition in the existence of Israel.[231] Ben-Dror Yemini wrote in his book The Industry of Lies that the Arab–Israeli conflict has become the center of a major deception. According to Yemini, lies about Israel in media and academia have been presented as truths; deeply rooted in the global consciousness, this has caused Israel to be seen as a monster, similar to perceptions of Jews in Nazi Germany.

United Nations​


Freedom House has claimed the United Nations has a history of negative focus on Israel that is disproportional in respect to other members, including the actions and statements of the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) and its predecessor, the UN Commission on Human Rights (UNCHR).[233]

Hillel Neuer of UN Watch has described the actions of the UN Commission on Human Rights as a "campaign to demonize Israel".[234] Neuer has stated that an example of bias is that in 2005, the Commission adopted four resolutions against Israel, equaling the combined total of resolutions against all other states in the world. Belarus, Cuba, Myanmar, and North Korea were the subject of one resolution each. In addition, according to UN Watch, in 2004–2005, the UN General Assembly passed nineteen resolutions concerning Israel, while not passing any resolution concerning Sudan, which at the time was facing a genocide in the Darfur region.

In 2006, the UN General Assembly voted to replace UNCHR with the UN Human Rights Council.[236] In 2011, Richard Goldstone publicly regretted appointing the UN Human Rights Council to investigate for the Goldstone Report, saying that their "history of bias against Israel cannot be doubted."

In December 2006, Kofi Annan, former UN Secretary-General, accused the members of the Human Rights Council at that time of "double standard", and of holding Israel to a standard of behaviour that they are unwilling to apply to other states, to Israel's adversaries, or to themselves. He said that the repeated resolutions and conferences of the General Assembly that condemn Israel's behaviour just strengthen the belief in Israel, and among many of its supporters, that the UN is too one-sided.

In April 2012, the UN released an official statement in which Israel was listed as a country that is restricting the activities of human rights organisations. Israel, the only democratic country to be named on the list, was included because of a bill approved by the Ministerial Committee on Legislation that would restrict foreign governmental funding of Israeli non-profit groups. The bill was frozen by the Prime Minister and never reached the Knesset, but the statement said: "In Israel, the recently adopted Foreign Funding Law could have a major impact on human rights organizations".

During his visit in Jerusalem in 2013, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon confirmed that there was a biased attitude towards the Israeli people and Israeli government, stressing that it was "an unfortunate situation". He added that Israel has been criticized and sometimes discriminated against because of the Mideast conflict.

Richard Falk, who was the UNHRC's special investigator of "Israel's violations of the bases and principles of international law", has been criticised by UN Watch for "pro-Hamas appeasement", anti-Western invective, support for 9/11 conspiracy theorists and demonization of Israel.

William Schabas, a Canadian international law expert, was the head of a UN committee investigating the Israeli role in the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict. Schabas was often accused of anti-Israeli positions. In February 2015, Schabas acknowledged that he was paid for previous work for the Palestine Liberation Organization in 2012, and that he had not declared this when he applied for the role. This behavior has been seen by Israelis as "clear and documented bias" against Israel. In 2015, Schabas resigned his post, saying he didn't want the issue to overshadow the work of the inquiry.

Ron Prosor, Israel's representative to the United Nations, claimed in General Assembly debate on the Question of Palestine, November 2014, that the UN is illogical and tends to lack of sense of justice when it comes to the case of Israel. He claimed that the UN's focus was solely on Israel, ignoring the thousands murdered and expelled in the Middle East under the tyranny of Radical Islam, and that the Arab–Israeli conflict was never about the establishment of a Palestinian state but the existence of the Jewish state. He also claimed that the UN is not for peace or the Palestinian people but simply against Israel, and pointed out that if the UN really cared about the situation of the Palestinians, they would have taken at least one decision regarding the situation of the Palestinians in Syria and Lebanon, where Palestinians are being persecuted and systematically discriminated against.

Amnesty International​

Main article: Criticism of Amnesty International
Amnesty International (AI) has been accused by the American Jewish Congress and NGO Monitor of having a double standard with its assessment of Israel. Professor Alan Dershowitz, an American legal scholar and columnist for the Huffington Post, has attacked Amnesty International's perceived bias against Israel, claiming that AI absolves Palestinian men of responsibility for domestic violence and places the blame on Israel instead and that it illegitimately characterises legal acts of Israeli self-defence as war-crimes. Dershowitz has joined NGO Monitor's calls for an independent evaluation of anti-Israeli bias within the organisation.

In 2004, NGO Monitor, a pro-Israel organization, released a study comparing Amnesty International's response to the twenty years of ethnic, religious and racial violence in Sudan – in which (at that time) 2,000,000 people were killed and 4,000,000 people displaced – to their treatment of Israel. When NGO Monitor focused on 2001, they found that Amnesty International issued seven reports on Sudan, as opposed to 39 reports on Israel. Between 2000 and 2003, they claimed the imbalance in issued reports to be 52 reports on Sudan and 192 reports on Israel, which they call "lack of balance and objectivity and apparent political bias [which] is entirely inconsistent with AI's official stated mission." They further called attention to the difference in both scale and intensity: "While ignoring the large-scale and systematic bombing and destruction of Sudanese villages, AI issued numerous condemnations of the razing of Palestinian houses, most of which were used as sniper nests or belonged to terrorists. Although failing to decry the slaughter of thousands of civilians by Sudanese government and allied troops, AI managed to criticize Israel's 'assassinations' of active terrorist leaders."

Government attitude toward NGOs and activists​

According to the US State Department's 2015 Country Report on Human Rights Practices, Israeli officials were generally cooperative with the United Nations and human rights groups and invited the testimony of human rights NGOs at Knesset hearings. These groups can directly petition the Israeli Supreme Court on government policies and individual cases.
 

In Israel’s killing of 3 hostages, some see the same excessive force directed at Palestinians​


BY TIA GOLDENBERG
Updated 5:14 AM BRT, December 18, 2023


TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — Israelis were left stunned and speechless when three hostages held by Hamas were killed by Israeli forces in the middle of an active war zone after they waved a white flag and screamed out in Hebrew to show they did not pose a threat.

For some, the incident was a shocking example of the ugliness of war, where a complex and dangerous battlefield is safe for no one. But for critics, the incident underscores what they say is the excessively violent conduct of Israel’s security apparatus against Palestinians. Except in this case, it cut short the lives of three Israelis trying desperately to save themselves.

“It’s heartbreaking but it’s not surprising,” said Roy Yellin, director of public outreach with the Israeli human rights group B’Tselem. “We have documented over the years countless incidents of people who clearly surrendered and who were still shot.”

Yellin said the killings violated basic military ethics and international law that prohibit shooting at people trying to surrender, whether combatants or not. But he said it was part of a long trend of largely unpunished excessive force that in recent weeks has ensnared Israelis themselves.

According to a military official, the three hostages, all men in their 20s, emerged from a building close to Israeli soldiers’ positions in the Gaza City neighborhood of Shijaiyah, where troops have been battling Hamas militants in intense combat.

They waved a white flag and were shirtless, possibly trying to signal they posed no threat. Two were killed immediately, and the third ran back into the building screaming for help in Hebrew. The commander issued an order to cease fire, but another burst of gunfire killed the third man, the official said.

The army’s chief, Lt. Col. Herzi Halevi, said hostages “did everything possible” to make it clear they did not pose a threat, but that the soldiers acted “during combat and under pressure.”

On Sunday, Halevi reviewed the rules of engagement with troops, saying the prohibition against opening fire on those who surrender must also apply to Palestinians.

“When you see two people who do not threaten you, who don’t have weapons, who have their hands up and are not wearing shirts, take two seconds,” he said in comments broadcast on Israeli TV. “And I want to tell you something that is no less important: if these are two Gazans with a white flag who want to surrender, will we shoot them? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. That is not the IDF (Israel Defense Forces).”

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Saturday that the killings “broke my heart, broke the entire nation’s heart,” but he indicated no change in Israel’s intensive military campaign. With popular opinion firmly behind the military effort, the hostages’ deaths weren’t likely to prompt a change in the public mood.

Israel says a number of hostages have died in Hamas captivity. But the deaths of the three hostages struck a nerve because they were killed by the forces trying to rescue them.

Roughly 129 hostages remain in the Gaza Strip, according to the Israeli military, and their plight has gripped the nation, which sees their captivity as the embodiment of the security failure surrounding Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack that sparked the war. The hostages’ deaths prompted hundreds of demonstrators to take to the streets in anger.

It also came days after another incident raised questions about Israel’s open-fire rules. After Hamas militants shot at a busy Jerusalem bus stop, an Israeli man who had rushed to confront the attackers was gunned down by an Israeli soldier, even though he had raised his hands, knelt on the ground and flung open his shirt to indicate he wasn’t a threat. The military has launched an investigation.

Critics see a direct link between a long list of shooting deaths of Palestinians – from the killing of 32-year-old autistic man Eyad Hallaq, to the death of Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, and many more over the years – to the incidents that led to the deaths of Israelis.

Most recently, B’Tselem accused the army of carrying out a pair of “illegal executions” after releasing video footage that appeared to show Israeli troops killing two Palestinian men — one who was incapacitated and the second unarmed — during a military raid in the occupied West Bank. Military police are investigating, but rights groups say such incidents rarely lead to punitive measures.

Critics say the hostages incident reflects the military’s conduct toward civilians in Gaza. More than 18,700 Palestinians have been killed since the war began, of whom about two-thirds are said to be women and minors, according to the Health Ministry in Hamas-run Gaza, which does not differentiate between combatants and civilians.

Avner Gvaryahu, who heads Breaking the Silence, a whistleblower group that documents testimonies of former Israeli soldiers, said soldier accounts from previous military engagements in the Gaza Strip showed that once an area was deemed by the military to be cleared of civilians, they were instructed to “shoot everything that moves.”

“The army said this happened in violation of the rules of engagement. I’m skeptical of that, based on what we know of previous operations in Gaza,”
he said. “How many Palestinians were shot at like this?”

The military says it does what it can to protect civilians, but says it faces a complex arena where Hamas embeds itself in densely populated civilian areas. Palestinians on several occasions have said Israeli soldiers opened fire in Gaza as civilians tried to flee to safety.

Kobi Michael, a senior researcher with the Institute for National Security Studies, a Tel Aviv think tank, disputed the comparisons between the hostage deaths to the killings of Palestinians in the West Bank or the killing of the Israeli civilian in Jerusalem. He said each case needed to be seen on its own, rather than as part of a broader trend.


Full read: https://apnews.com/article/israel-hostages-gaza-hamas-war-52fa9628e6284cdad6d7f7db6cc30742
 
Why do you never answer anything I actually say but keep dodging and asking other questions? Just quote what I say and answer point by point if I'm so wrong. Prove it to me. Unless I'm tight.

I feel like I'm talking to a propaganda bot

And since I'm not a bot I'll answer : yes I think the Palestinians want peace, way more than the Israelis.

The israelis have ministers that call for the displacement of the entire Gaza strip population (like you), officials that say gaza must be flattened to the ground with no building left, a prime minister that quote old testament verses that say their enemies must be slaughtered to the last enable mass colonization and expropriation of homes in the west bank as well as ruthlessly killing and terrorizing civilians daily in that same territory.

so yes Palestinians would like to be left alone but israelis do not want peace, they want extermination of Palestinians, and a Jewish ethnostate from the river to the sea, just like many of them actually say loudly and clearly now.

I mean if speaking plainly and bluntly is propaganda I don't know what to tell you.

To me, your copy pasted hyperbolic diatribes seems like the propaganda to me.

Which Palestinians want peace? Why do so many still support Hamas if you claim they want peace?
 
Not debating whether he has a right to do this . Had the like happened here I would want same thing. I'm saying he has a few more weeks till overall sentiment globally goes from leaning g towards Israel's side to mixed to then going overwhelmingly against . Israel may be its own country and make own decisions but they are a modern nation dependent on its ties with rest of world for both supplies and defense.
The UN just blows smoke. They're useless. The US is currently trying to pass a multi-billion dollar military aid package for Israel(that Israel doesn't even need), that they conveniently try to mask as an aid package for Ukraine. That relationship is tighter than a mouse's cunt.

Once the dust settles and the war is over, and Israel is just occupying what's left of Gaza, they'll all be friendsies again.
 
i'm sorry i don't allow you to just misrepresent israel in context of global abuses and atrocities against humanity relative to far worse nations. and it's not debatable.

and not that you care about truth:
so you would rather find dissenting voices and opinion pieces at specific points in time to somehow overcome the insurmountable amount of times isreal has been condemned by the world for its rights violation, war crimes and genocide?

Those undereducated and uninformed world leaders why can’t they be enlightened with the same facts (more like propaganda) as you?? they would stop calling genocide genocide and treaty violations as treaty violations and start to appreciate isreal for the true beacon of peace it is.

Lets petition for all world leaders to get trained by kflo before they are allowed to vote at the UN ever again
 
What do you expect me to say? "My bad it wasn't a genocide it was only a "internal and external displacement"?
Most of them were told by the surrounding Arab countries at the time "leave. Join us. We will come in and annihilate the jews, and then you can go back and take not only what you are leaving now, but everything else the jews had"

.....*shortly later......"shit, we just got our asses handed to us. Welp, sorry phillistines. We'll get them back by mistreating and kicking the jews who had nothing to do with Israel out of all our countries! All 1 million of them! That will show them!"


Shocking. The expelled Jews all ended up going to Israel where they were welcomed with kindness and open arms.
 
so you would rather find dissenting voices and opinion pieces at specific points in time to somehow overcome the insurmountable amount of times isreal has been condemned by the world for its rights violation, war crimes and genocide?

Those undereducated and uninformed world leaders why can’t they be enlightened with the same facts (more like propaganda) as you?? they would stop calling genocide genocide and treaty violations as treaty violations and start to appreciate isreal for the true beacon of peace it is.

Lets petition for all world leaders to get trained by kflo before they are allowed to vote at the UN ever again

like i said, not that you care.......

and link me to the UN sanctions for genocide.......by israel.......

again, you don't care about the truth. but to you israel is worse than sudan or syria.......
 
like i said, not that you care.......

and link me to the UN sanctions for genocide.......by israel.......

again, you don't care about the truth. but to you israel is worse than sudan or syria.......
When I tried to list just the titles only of all their global condemnations (aka badges of honor in your opinion): I got a message from sherdog saying limit your post to 15000 characters.

SMH the sheer quantity of the violations and condemnations is going to force me post them in multiple posts below
 
This list is incomplete; you can help by adding missing items. (February 2011)
 
  • 1969:
    • 11 December: Resolution 2546: Condemns Israeli "violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms" in the occupied territories
  • 1970:
    • 4 November: Resolution 2628: Urges the speedy implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 242 and recognizes that "respect for the rights of the Palestinians is an indisputable element in the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East"
    • 5 December: Resolution 2727: Calls on Israel to implement the recommendations of the UN special committee investigating Israeli practices in the occupied territories
    • 15 December: Resolution 2728: Report of the Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices affecting the Human Rights of the population of the Occupied Territories.
  • 1971:
    • 6 December: Resolution 2792: UNRWA Report. Calls for the implementation of UN General Assembly Resolution 194, stresses the "inalienable rights of the people of Palestine", and calls on Israel to stop resettling the inhabitants of Palestinian refugee camps.
    • 13 December: Resolution 2799: The Situation in the Middle East.
    • 20 December: Resolution 2851: Report of the Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices affecting the Human Rights of the population of the Occupied Territories. Condemns Israeli practices in the occupied territories.
  • 1972:
    • 8 December: Resolution 2949: The Situation in the Middle East.
    • 15 December: Resolution 3005: Report of the Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices affecting the Human Rights of the population of the Occupied Territories.
  • 1973:
    • 7 December: Resolution 3092: Report of the Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices affecting the Human Rights of the population of the Occupied Territories.
    • 11 December: Resolution 3101: Financing of the UNEF.
    • 17 December: Resolution 3175: Permanent sovereignty over natural resources in the occupied Arab territories.
 
When I tried to list just the titles only of all their global condemnations (aka badges of honor in your opinion): I got a message from sherdog saying limit your post to 15000 characters.

SMH the sheer quantity of the violations and condemnations is going to force me post them in multiple posts below
i said genocide. the word you repeated twice in your prior post.

i got the same limit btw when posting about the anti-israel bias of these agencies.
 
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