International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. V

[San Marino]

The more times you’re wrong the madder you get.

The more times I'm right the more stupid you get.

 

[cincymma79]

3 times you say? When was that?
He has made this point and been right every time.

You’ve done this in every version of this thread. The you claim easily falsified wild speculations that get proven wrong and go so I guess you’re saying all Palestinians should die because theyre ugly and can’t read good.

 

[Blayt7hh]

10k is still a lot. Minimizing civilian casualties is important. I'm blaming Hamas for this obviously but you can't tell civilians to go to a certain location and then bomb them.

That one I agree on. A lot of the claims of war crimes I don’t think will apply but this one does strike me as egregious and a legit crime.

 

[meauneau]

The more times you’re wrong the madder you get

Just saying someone is wrong doesn't make it so, you need to provide arguments or evidence as to why they are wrong.

 

[Bob Gray]

Right!
Everything coming out of Gaza if fake news and everything coming out of Israel is the truth.
Palestinians are liars and Israeli Jews only tell the truth.
Yeah, I know how you and others in this thread think.
Why is the UN not in Gaza confirming these stories?

Wasn't my point nor is that my position. It's been awhile so maybe you forgot, but I was specifically responding to you challenging someone else using Israel as a source.

So when I asked where the stats for Gaza deaths came from, you somehow have no issue using Gaza authorities while dismissing Israels.

Quick. Make a post deflecting from my point and strawmanming something.

 

[San Marino]

Then you claim easily falsified wild speculations that get proven wrong and go so I guess you’re saying all Palestinians should die because they're ugly and can’t read good.

Easily falsified speculation that get proven wrong? Where?
Just like the other guy. Anything coming out of Gaza is fake news. You can only trust the Israelis for true facts.
Israelis would never make up a lie.

 

[mkess101]

When, for example, the event being discussed is the IDF snipers executing a child and then someone responds to that by asking a question about Hamas as a response, then it is an obvious red herring. I know a red herring when I smell one.

To use your flawed logic against you, if as you say all of it is relevant because none of it happens in a vacuum, then as long as I talk about Israel's crimes in response to any post about this conflict I not deviating the conversation or changing topics. Which is absurd.

What you don't understand is that within the topic of this conflict one can have specific conversations about specific events. When someone's reply is about a different event within the topic of the conflict, then that is a diversion and therefore irrelevant, it neither adds to the conversation nor adds any new facts about the topic.

And around and around you go. Your second paragraph shows a stunning lack of self awareness. Whenever you are confronted with the atrocities of Hamas, you revert almost immediately to talking about Israel in some way or another. In other words, what you call "absurd" is what you've done ad nauseum since you've posted here. Numerous other posters have literally called you out for it previously. So perhaps I was incorrect in saying it's a lack of self awareness, since it's been directly pointed out to you. It's a purposeful attempt to ignore what you know you do.

In addition, you have a laughable double standard as far as "evidence" when it comes to the transgressions of each side. When you're presented with the FACTS that happened on Oct 7th, you pathetically attempt to cast doubt on what Hamas actually did. Yet no such skepticism regarding the IDF.

It's why you cannot be taken seriously.

 

[San Marino]

Quick. Make a post deflecting from my point and strawmanming something.

How long was the Six-Day War in 1967?

 

[Blayt7hh]

The fact that this low budget low effort low IQ propaganda attempts like that are the only fake news the IDF can come up with and still some people in here find ways to defend those comically embarrassing videos speaks volumes about both

"quick the IDF is coming give me my screwdriver so I dismantle this incubator to find a tiny gun and shoot their tanks"

What a "command center" that is (sigh) !

Dude you just shared a fake real estate add. You can’t reasonably insult anyone else for low IQ propaganda.

 

[meauneau]

And around and around you go. Your second paragraph shows a stunning lack of self awareness. Whenever you are confronted with the atrocities of Hamas, you revert almost immediately to talking about Israel in some way or another. In other words, what you call "absurd" is what you've done ad nauseum since you've posted here. Numerous other posters have literally called you out for it previously. So perhaps I was incorrect in saying it's a lack of self awareness, since it's been directly pointed out to you. It's a purposeful attempt to ignore what you know you do.

In addition, you have a laughable double standard as far as "evidence" when it comes to the transgressions of each side. When you're presented with the FACTS that happened on Oct 7th, you pathetically attempt to cast doubt on what Hamas actually did. Yet no such skepticism regarding the IDF.

It's why you cannot be taken seriously.

The atrocities that Hamas committed are nothing in comparison to the atrocities that Israel has committed and is still committing. Therefore it makes sense that most of the conversations will be centred upon Israel's atrocities. Israel gives the world reasons to hate it and to criticise it every day, thanks to the extreme right wing politicians the Israelis voted for.

Everyday there is new reasons to criticise Israel, it commits crimes every day in Gaza. Whereas Hamas hasn't done anything since 7/10 other than maybe killing a hostage and some Israeli terrorists and firing some rockets.

We know that Israel fabricates lies all the time and they get exposed as lies. Therefore it is reasonable to be sceptical about anything the IDF tells us. They lied about the killing of their own people, they lied about the babies, they lie about targeting only Hamas, etc., etc.

 

[ferrisjso]

Wasn't my point nor is that my position. It's been awhile so maybe you forgot, but I was specifically responding to you challenging someone else using Israel as a source.

So when I asked where the stats for Gaza deaths came from, you somehow have no issue using Gaza authorities while dismissing Israels.

Quick. Make a post deflecting from my point and strawmanming something.

Yes because they have more CREDIBILITY.

In history class I was taught bias(which is wrongly maligned) is a natural human filter as we learn which sources to trust and which to not. As we learn a source is credible we give it more credence. As we learn a source is less likely to be true we give it less.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Armed resistance against oppression is justified as a human right not just per my personal view but that of the UN. Thats why people aren't criticizing Hamas because they know damm well if they were in the position of the Gazans they'd act the same. Hes not willing to say that for whatever reason and give you deference you do not deserve but I will.

You're just trying to gaslight people into shutting up and letting a genocide happen. The reason people push back on criticism of Hamas is criticism of Hamas is mostly non sincere its being done with the express purpose of enabling genocide. When this is all over and there's really a reason to criticize Hamas people might be comftorable doing so but right now criticizing Hamas is undermining the right of the Palestinian people to resist and empowering the IDF to committ mass murder.

Your post is saying in no uncertain terms that committing some of the most heinous crimes is justified as long as you’re part of a resistance.

I can say with 100% confidence that I would not rape people or shoot children at point blank range if I were in Gazas shoes. You come on here and take a morally superior stance to everyone, but you’re right now saying these things are ok as long as it’s the resistance. Rape and kill random people for the resistance

 

[Hog-train]

I don’t laugh about people getting killed. He did. Real funny. You support laughing about that?

Yep - you just making constant excuses and completely dismiss disproportionate civilian casualties on the Palestinian side. Then you get all sanctimonious when people jokingly mock how ridiculous some of Israel's hypocrisy is.

 

[mkess101]

The atrocities that Hamas committed are nothing in comparison to the atrocities that Israel has committed and is still committing. Therefore it makes sense that most of the conversations will be centred upon Israel's atrocities. Israel gives the world reasons to hate it and to criticise it every day, thanks to the extreme right wing politicians the Israelis voted for.

Everyday there is new reasons to criticise Israel, it commits crimes every day in Gaza. Whereas Hamas hasn't done anything since 7/10 other than maybe killing a hostage and some Israeli terrorists and firing some rockets.

We know that Israel fabricates lies all the time and they get exposed as lies. Therefore it is reasonable to be sceptical about anything the IDF tells us. They lied about the killing of their own people, they lied about the babies, they lie about targeting only Hamas, etc., etc.

Your post predictably reinforces essentially everything I've said about you. Thank you.

 

[meauneau]

Your post is saying in no uncertain terms that committing some of the most heinous crimes is justified as long as you’re part of a resistance.

I can say with 100% confidence that I would not rape people or shoot children at point blank range if I were in Gazas shoes. You come on here and take a morally superior stance to everyone, but you’re right now saying these things are ok as long as it’s the resistance. Rape and kill random people for the resistance

Raping has nothing to do with resistance though

Some soldiers/militants (all over the world) have raped, but that is not part of the battle against oppression

 

[oldshadow]

How about pressuring Hamas to surrender instead?

Yea I can get that but the first step is to return all the hostages.

 

[ferrisjso]

Your post is saying in no uncertain terms that committing some of the most heinous crimes is justified as long as you’re part of a resistance.

I can say with 100% confidence that I would not rape people or shoot children at point blank range if I were in Gazas shoes. You come on here and take a morally superior stance to everyone, but you’re right now saying these things are ok as long as it’s the resistance. Rape and kill random people for the resistance

Your post is in no uncertain terms putting words in my mouth. I said armed resistance against oppression is justified. Not the heinous libel you attributed to me.

It is not my fault y'all are justifying genocide. I'm not trying to make you insecure by being morally superior or anything. Your the one who called my position morally superior.

 

[oldshadow]

Since you are talking about releasing of hostages what do you think about Israel releasing the hundreds of hostages it holds and then maybe strike an agreement with Hamas?

First they release all they took on the 7th. Then they talk about the prisoners Israel has and the destruction of hamas.

 

[meauneau]

Your post predictably reinforces essentially everything I've said about you. Thank you.

Do you condemn IDF terrorist snipers executing unarmed civilians?

See what I did there? It's relevant to the conversation according to your line or reasoning because none of it happens in a vacuum and we are still talking about the conflict.

Now you reply with something about the borders or the UN and we continue like this because as you say, none of it happens in a vacuum.

 

[meauneau]

First they release all they took on the 7th. Then they talk about the prisoners Israel has and the destruction of hamas.

What about the prisoners Israel took before the 7th? Those didn't matter until after the 7th right? Because they are lesser humans and Jews/Israelis are superior?