International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

[KAZSoliloquy]

Yes. Hamas and Palestinians openly tell the world their goal is genocide and they invaded Israel last October clearly and deliberately targeting every person they came in contact with irrespective of whether they were military or not.

Glad we brought you into the light eventually.

i don't understand what you're saying here and i don't really care to. palestinians do not openly tell the world their goal is genocide. neither do hamas. no idea where you get that from.

 

[Rholk]

If a fighter jet hit the target with a precision strike and there are no casualties...

Come on, Mr Contrarian, join the dots...

That's not what it says is it.
There is no immediate report of casualties.

-Meaning there are there aren't any IDF ground forces to confirm casualties on the ground.
Hamas isn't exactly motivated to do DF a solid and confirm that they caused Hamas casualties with a strike either.
Granted, there is a possibility that no one was hit.

So the article says what it says:There is no immediate report of casualties,

You taking the liberty to interpret that in a way you see fit is fine with me, but to then ask people on this forum to explain your conclusion is a bit weird.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

That's not what it says is it.
There is no immediate report of casualties.

-Meaning there are there aren't any IDF ground forces to confirm casualties on the ground.
Hamas isn't exactly motivated to do DF a solid and confirm that they caused casualties with a strike either.
Granted, there is a possibility that no one was hit.

So the article says what it says:There is no immediate report of casualties,

You taking the liberty to interpret that in a way you see fit is fine with me, but to then ask people on this forum to explain your conclusion is a bit weird.

What?

I thought Hamas automatically told lies about the number of civilian casualties, now they'd be doing the IDF a favour?

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

i don't understand what you're saying here and i don't really care to. palestinians do not openly tell the world their goal is genocide. neither do hamas. no idea where you get that from.

Here you go, genius:

The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988

Hamas Covenant 1988

This Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), clarifies its picture, reveals its identity, outlines its stand, explains its aims, speaks about its hopes, and calls for its support, adoption and joining its ranks. Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised.

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

 

[Rholk]

What?

I thought Hamas automatically told lies about the number of civilian casualties, now they'd be doing the IDF a favour?

Lmao, i'm sorry it wasn't obvious i was talking about Hamas casualties, i'll even edit it for you & likeminded folk

if you wanna get taken seriously, playing stupid isn't helping man.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Here you go, genius:

The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988

Hamas Covenant 1988

This Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), clarifies its picture, reveals its identity, outlines its stand, explains its aims, speaks about its hopes, and calls for its support, adoption and joining its ranks. Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised.

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

they are outlining their goal to defeat the invading force attacking them. this is nothing like the final solution.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Lmao, i'm sorry it wasn't obvious i was talking about Hamas casualties, i'll even edit it for you & likeminded folk

if you wanna get taken seriously, playing stupid isn't helping man.

They didn't kill anyone.

If they had killed a Hamas terrorist, Hamas would have declared them a civilian.

This is by the logic you have employed throughout the past year, I'm not playing stupid, I'm showing you the silliness of your evolving contrarian position.

 

[Rational Poster]

It seems like the media, politicians and pundits are all about bombing Iran, far far more than Hezbollah and Gaza. Looks like Israel has a green light to fuck them up. Netanyahu has been praying for this day for over a decade.

Hurting Iran hurts Russia, it just makes a lot of sense with everything going on and Iran provided the perfect casus belli to do so.

There's no real way to interdict all of Russia's suppliers, but we can absolutely destroy a bunch of Iranian weapons factories and stockpiles for this so at least that stuff is off the table.

 

[Sir Punchalot]

I don't feel Trump likes Bibi

A lot of people don't like Bibi, but that doesn't make them stupid enough to become Palestine supporters.

 

[Sir Punchalot]

they are outlining their goal to defeat the invading force attacking them. this is nothing like the final solution.

No, they are following the Hadith, which was put together many centuries ago, you dumb fuck.

Sahih al-Bukhari 2926 - Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad) - كتاب الجهاد والسير - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

 

[Snubnoze707]

Here you go, genius:

The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988

Hamas Covenant 1988

This Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), clarifies its picture, reveals its identity, outlines its stand, explains its aims, speaks about its hopes, and calls for its support, adoption and joining its ranks. Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised.

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

You are using an outdated charter that was clarified in later versions, but regardless nothing in this version claims an intent of genocide, even in all that bolded text. Can bold the part where the genocide part is mentioned?

It's crazy how you guys can conflate this into "genocide" but when looking at the Genocide Convention definition of genocide you use every excuse in the book to dispel what Israel is actually DOING as genocide despite it clearly meeting the criteria mapped out in that definition.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

You are using an outdated charter that was clarified in later versions, but regardless nothing in this version claims an intent of genocide, even in all that bolded text. Can bold the part where the genocide part is mentioned?

It's crazy how you guys can conflate this into "genocide" but when looking at the Genocide Convention definition of genocide you use every excuse in the book to dispel what Israel is actually DOING as genocide despite it clearly meeting the criteria mapped out in that definition.

Oh really? So what the fuck was October 7th about? Didn't their actions on that day confirm what they had explicitly mentioned on their original charter?

I bolded the parts that refer to the genocide of Jews. Do I have to spoon-feed you everything?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

You are using an outdated charter that was clarified in later versions, but regardless nothing in this version claims an intent of genocide, even in all that bolded text. Can bold the part where the genocide part is mentioned?

It's crazy how you guys can conflate this into "genocide" but when looking at the Genocide Convention definition of genocide you use every excuse in the book to dispel what Israel is actually DOING as genocide despite it clearly meeting the criteria mapped out in that definition.

uh, no. you're supposed to jump to conclusions based on propaganda you've been fed for 60 years dude.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

they are outlining their goal to defeat the invading force attacking them. this is nothing like the final solution.

The Islamic Day of Judgement IS the Final Solution, dumbass.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Oh really? So what the fuck was October 7th about? Didn't their actions on that day confirm what they had explicitly mentioned on their original charter?

I bolded the parts that refer to the genocide of Jews. Do I have to spoon-feed you everything?

people kill people. especially people who invade their land, steal their homes, and bomb them everyday for 100 years.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

uh, no. you're supposed to jump to conclusions based on propaganda you've been fed for 60 years dude.

That charter was written 36 years ago. So we've got another idiot here who can't do simple arithmetic.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Oh really? So what the fuck was October 7th about? Didn't their actions on that day confirm what they had explicitly mentioned on their original charter?

I bolded the parts that refer to the genocide of Jews. Do I have to spoon-feed you everything?

A desire to fight their occupiers and oppressors? Wow, what a shocking desire to have.

I forgot: If an Israeli is killed a response 100x fold on kids is justified. If a Palestinian is killed then sit down and shut up, you better not even TALK about wanting to fight back.

 

[kflo]

You are using an outdated charter that was clarified in later versions, but regardless nothing in this version claims an intent of genocide, even in all that bolded text. Can bold the part where the genocide part is mentioned?

It's crazy how you guys can conflate this into "genocide" but when looking at the Genocide Convention definition of genocide you use every excuse in the book to dispel what Israel is actually DOING as genocide despite it clearly meeting the criteria mapped out in that definition.

Sure. It talks about killing the Jews. But where does it say ALL of them!!!!????

 

[Snubnoze707]

Sure. It talks about killing the Jews. But where does it say ALL of them!!!!????

Isn't that what you guys say when we bring up the tens of thousands Palestinians that the Israelis are ACTUALLY killing, not just writing words?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

The Islamic Day of Judgement IS the Final Solution, dumbass.

it's really not. muhammad says that on judgement day, the antichrist will appear and the jews will inevitably follow him. then in end times, there will be fighting between followers of god and followers of dajjal, the antichrist, presumed to be jews.

it's not a passage that calls for extermination of an ethnic group lol