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Gotta finish them off while they're at their most vulnerable state.
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Yes.
It was 100% wrong in one thread.
And it was still 100% wrong when you posted it in another thread.
But you knew that before posting and are just playing dumb.
At least you think you are only "playing". We all see through you.
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It looks like another one-time conspiracy theory that became conspiracy fact.
A poster here put up a jpost link the other day. The link was good for only a few days and as I was reading it, the page refreshed and it was gone. I waybacked it and copied it.
Pretty amazing how brazen the psychotic, fake religious nutbags have become.
Original link: https://www.jpost.com/judaism/article-821680
The article as it appeared:
Is Lebanon part of Israel’s promised territory?
By MARK FISH SEPTEMBER 25, 2024 14:59The Torah verses convey profound messages that we can insightfully extract for our daily lives. Rabbi Shay Tahan, the Rosh Kollel of Shaarei Ezra in Brooklyn, NY, graciously opens the gates to understand them.
The recent conflict in Lebanon raises the age-old question regarding the northern borders of biblical Eretz Yisrael. Where exactly did Hashem define the boundaries, and are we obligated to conquer those areas? Do the mitzvot of terumah and ma’aser apply to those lands as part of Eretz Yisrael, or are they considered outside the borders?
The Torah provides clear guidelines regarding the areas we were commanded to conquer when taking possession of the land.
In the last generation, the term "Greater Israel" has come to the forefront. It is sometimes used in political or religious discussions about the ideal or future borders of Israel, often in the context of messianic or Zionist aspirations. Some interpret it as a call for the re-establishment of Israel’s biblical borders. However, the concept varies in meaning, ranging from symbolic or spiritual interpretations to literal geographical claims.
This term refers to the concept of the biblical boundaries of the Land of Israel as promised to the Jewish people in various parts of the Torah. It is often associated with the land described in the Covenant with Avraham (Brit Bein HaBetarim), which stretches from the "River of Egypt" (interpreted by some as the Nile or a smaller river in Sinai) to the Perat River. This expansive region includes parts of modern-day Israel, the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq.
When Hashem promised Avraham Avinu the Land of Israel at the Brit Bein HaBetarim, the pasuk says (בראשית טז): "On that day, Hashem made a covenant with Avram, saying: To your descendants, I have given this land—from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates."
At the blessing at the end of Parshat Ekev, Hashem tells us that we are granted every land we will conquer within the borders mentioned. In the north, the Torah states: "Every place where the sole of your foot will tread shall be yours—from the wilderness and the Lebanon, from the river—the Euphrates River—until the western sea shall be your boundary." This promise from the Creator clearly places the land of Lebanon within the Promised Land of Israel, or what some refer to as "the Complete Land of Israel", or “The greater Israel”.
The Ramban wrote that Lebanon is within the borders of Israel and adds that we were obligated and commanded to conquer it.
Sefer Yehoshua begins with Hashem speaking to Yehoshua and repeating the above command: "Every place your foot will step has been given to you, as I spoke to Moshe—from the desert and Lebanon until the great river, the Euphrates."
The Tribe of Asher is mainly associated with regions that include parts of Lebanon. Following the conquest of the land under Yehoshua, the tribes established their territories, with Asher extending into areas adjacent to Lebanon. The text describes the border of the Tribe of Asher, detailing sections of borders and lists of cities, some of which are border cities that mark the tribe's boundary. Within the inheritance of the Tribe of Asher lies the Valley of Acco, north of Mount Carmel, with its northernmost point in the city of Sidon.
The extension of the Land of Israel to include additional territories, such as in the concept of "Greater Israel," has several potential halachic implications. These mainly revolve around commandments that are tied specifically to the land, known as mitzvot hateluyot ba'aretz- (mitzvot dependent on the land). Some key halachic implications include:
- Mitzvot Dependent on the Land: Certain agricultural commandments apply only in the Land of Israel. These include:
- Terumot and Ma’aserot (tithes given to the Kohanim, Levites, and the poor).
- Orlah (the prohibition of eating fruits from trees during the first three years of their growth).
Expanding Israel’s borders would mean extending the requirement to observe these mitzvot in the newly included territories.
- Two days of Yomtov: There is a difference between those who live within the borders of Israel, who observe one day of Yom Tov, and those living outside, who keep two days. Accordingly, if the land were to extend to the greater borders of Israel, this distinction would apply. (According to halacha that follows the Ritva ריטב"א ר"ה יח, א; סוכה מג, א arguing on the Rambam רמב"ם הל' קדוש החודש ה, ט-יב)
- Inhabitants and Settlement: According to some opinions, living in the biblical boundaries of Eretz Yisrael may be considered a mitzvah. Expanding Israel’s borders could extend the obligation for Jews to settle and inhabit those areas.
- Traveling Outside the land: One may not leave the boundaries of Eretz Yisrael if they dwell there, except for learning Torah, getting married, or for their livelihood. Therefore, they can travel to those extra territories if they are conquered.
- War and Conquest: The concept of milchemet mitzvah (a commanded war) includes conquering certain territories that were promised in the Torah. If new land is identified as part of the biblical borders, there may be halachic discussions about the obligation to conquer and settle it.
If one looks at a map, they will be astounded by how far north this river extends and how vast the Land of Israel truly is. While we may not be able to reclaim all of it in our time, Hashem will surely return it to us soon.
Is Lebanon part of Israel’s promised territory?
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To understand this in context, you need to take a look at what this massive amount of land looks like:
And for the pimps who are into diligent research as opposed to accepting whatever narrative is pushed upon them, you'll soon see why it is so important for the world to finally act against these murderers. And why supporting a country hell-bent on putting men in power who believe in a completely made up version of two thousand year old religious text equates directly to what has become over a century of mass murder that will never stop until the world makes it so.
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It looks like another one-time conspiracy theory that became conspiracy fact.
A poster here put up a jpost link the other day. The link was good for only a few days and as I was reading it, the page refreshed and it was gone. I waybacked it and copied it.
Pretty amazing how brazen the psychotic, fake religious nutbags have become.
Original link: https://www.jpost.com/judaism/article-821680
The article as it appeared:
Is Lebanon part of Israel’s promised territory?
By MARK FISH SEPTEMBER 25, 2024 14:59
The Torah verses convey profound messages that we can insightfully extract for our daily lives. Rabbi Shay Tahan, the Rosh Kollel of Shaarei Ezra in Brooklyn, NY, graciously opens the gates to understand them.
The recent conflict in Lebanon raises the age-old question regarding the northern borders of biblical Eretz Yisrael. Where exactly did Hashem define the boundaries, and are we obligated to conquer those areas? Do the mitzvot of terumah and ma’aser apply to those lands as part of Eretz Yisrael, or are they considered outside the borders?
The Torah provides clear guidelines regarding the areas we were commanded to conquer when taking possession of the land.
In the last generation, the term "Greater Israel" has come to the forefront. It is sometimes used in political or religious discussions about the ideal or future borders of Israel, often in the context of messianic or Zionist aspirations. Some interpret it as a call for the re-establishment of Israel’s biblical borders. However, the concept varies in meaning, ranging from symbolic or spiritual interpretations to literal geographical claims.
This term refers to the concept of the biblical boundaries of the Land of Israel as promised to the Jewish people in various parts of the Torah. It is often associated with the land described in the Covenant with Avraham (Brit Bein HaBetarim), which stretches from the "River of Egypt" (interpreted by some as the Nile or a smaller river in Sinai) to the Perat River. This expansive region includes parts of modern-day Israel, the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq.
When Hashem promised Avraham Avinu the Land of Israel at the Brit Bein HaBetarim, the pasuk says (בראשית טז): "On that day, Hashem made a covenant with Avram, saying: To your descendants, I have given this land—from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates."
At the blessing at the end of Parshat Ekev, Hashem tells us that we are granted every land we will conquer within the borders mentioned. In the north, the Torah states: "Every place where the sole of your foot will tread shall be yours—from the wilderness and the Lebanon, from the river—the Euphrates River—until the western sea shall be your boundary." This promise from the Creator clearly places the land of Lebanon within the Promised Land of Israel, or what some refer to as "the Complete Land of Israel", or “The greater Israel”.
The Ramban wrote that Lebanon is within the borders of Israel and adds that we were obligated and commanded to conquer it.
Sefer Yehoshua begins with Hashem speaking to Yehoshua and repeating the above command: "Every place your foot will step has been given to you, as I spoke to Moshe—from the desert and Lebanon until the great river, the Euphrates."
The Tribe of Asher is mainly associated with regions that include parts of Lebanon. Following the conquest of the land under Yehoshua, the tribes established their territories, with Asher extending into areas adjacent to Lebanon. The text describes the border of the Tribe of Asher, detailing sections of borders and lists of cities, some of which are border cities that mark the tribe's boundary. Within the inheritance of the Tribe of Asher lies the Valley of Acco, north of Mount Carmel, with its northernmost point in the city of Sidon.
The extension of the Land of Israel to include additional territories, such as in the concept of "Greater Israel," has several potential halachic implications. These mainly revolve around commandments that are tied specifically to the land, known as mitzvot hateluyot ba'aretz- (mitzvot dependent on the land). Some key halachic implications include:
- Shmitta (the sabbatical year where the land must rest every seven years).
- Mitzvot Dependent on the Land: Certain agricultural commandments apply only in the Land of Israel. These include:
- Terumot and Ma’aserot (tithes given to the Kohanim, Levites, and the poor).
- Orlah (the prohibition of eating fruits from trees during the first three years of their growth).
Expanding Israel’s borders would mean extending the requirement to observe these mitzvot in the newly included territories.
The River Perat, commonly identified with the Euphrates River, is situated in the Middle East. It flows through several countries, including Turkey, Syria, and Iraq, before emptying into the Persian Gulf. In biblical contexts, the Euphrates River is often mentioned as a significant boundary in the promises made to the Jewish people regarding the Land of Israel.
- Two days of Yomtov: There is a difference between those who live within the borders of Israel, who observe one day of Yom Tov, and those living outside, who keep two days. Accordingly, if the land were to extend to the greater borders of Israel, this distinction would apply. (According to halacha that follows the Ritva ריטב"א ר"ה יח, א; סוכה מג, א arguing on the Rambam רמב"ם הל' קדוש החודש ה, ט-יב)
- Inhabitants and Settlement: According to some opinions, living in the biblical boundaries of Eretz Yisrael may be considered a mitzvah. Expanding Israel’s borders could extend the obligation for Jews to settle and inhabit those areas.
- Traveling Outside the land: One may not leave the boundaries of Eretz Yisrael if they dwell there, except for learning Torah, getting married, or for their livelihood. Therefore, they can travel to those extra territories if they are conquered.
- War and Conquest: The concept of milchemet mitzvah (a commanded war) includes conquering certain territories that were promised in the Torah. If new land is identified as part of the biblical borders, there may be halachic discussions about the obligation to conquer and settle it.
If one looks at a map, they will be astounded by how far north this river extends and how vast the Land of Israel truly is. While we may not be able to reclaim all of it in our time, Hashem will surely return it to us soon.
Is Lebanon part of Israel’s promised territory?
To understand this in context, you need to take a look at what this massive amount of land looks like:
And for the pimps who are into diligent research as opposed to accepting whatever narrative is pushed upon them, you'll soon see why it is so important for the world to finally act against these murderers. And why supporting a country hell-bent on putting men in power who believe in a completely made up version of two thousand year old religious text equates directly to what has become over a century of mass murder that will never stop until the world makes it so.
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Israel are absolutely desperate for a wider war.
They are eventually going to ensure it happens.
Israel strikes Houthi targets in Yemen after drone attack on Tel Aviv
Defence Minister Yoav Gallant says his country sent a message, while Houthi official Mohammed Abdulsalam blasts Israeli "aggression".www.bbc.co.uk
Another step down the road.
Remember when they all laughed at us?
Now it's probably: well yeah but the rockets and stuff
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There's literally an area on the border its been internationally agreed Hezbollah cannot occupy and operate out of.
Hezbollah have been firing rockets out of that area for a long time
The UN peace keeping force (no laughing) didn't do their job
Israel have said enough is enough and are ensuring hezbollah aren't operating their anymore
Fuck them
Remember? We haven't stopped laughing at you
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It looks like another one-time conspiracy theory that became conspiracy fact.
A poster here put up a jpost link the other day. The link was good for only a few days and as I was reading it, the page refreshed and it was gone. I waybacked it and copied it.
Pretty amazing how brazen the psychotic, fake religious nutbags have become.
Original link: https://www.jpost.com/judaism/article-821680
The article as it appeared:
Is Lebanon part of Israel’s promised territory?
By MARK FISH SEPTEMBER 25, 2024 14:59
The Torah verses convey profound messages that we can insightfully extract for our daily lives. Rabbi Shay Tahan, the Rosh Kollel of Shaarei Ezra in Brooklyn, NY, graciously opens the gates to understand them.
The recent conflict in Lebanon raises the age-old question regarding the northern borders of biblical Eretz Yisrael. Where exactly did Hashem define the boundaries, and are we obligated to conquer those areas? Do the mitzvot of terumah and ma’aser apply to those lands as part of Eretz Yisrael, or are they considered outside the borders?
The Torah provides clear guidelines regarding the areas we were commanded to conquer when taking possession of the land.
In the last generation, the term "Greater Israel" has come to the forefront. It is sometimes used in political or religious discussions about the ideal or future borders of Israel, often in the context of messianic or Zionist aspirations. Some interpret it as a call for the re-establishment of Israel’s biblical borders. However, the concept varies in meaning, ranging from symbolic or spiritual interpretations to literal geographical claims.
This term refers to the concept of the biblical boundaries of the Land of Israel as promised to the Jewish people in various parts of the Torah. It is often associated with the land described in the Covenant with Avraham (Brit Bein HaBetarim), which stretches from the "River of Egypt" (interpreted by some as the Nile or a smaller river in Sinai) to the Perat River. This expansive region includes parts of modern-day Israel, the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq.
When Hashem promised Avraham Avinu the Land of Israel at the Brit Bein HaBetarim, the pasuk says (בראשית טז): "On that day, Hashem made a covenant with Avram, saying: To your descendants, I have given this land—from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates."
At the blessing at the end of Parshat Ekev, Hashem tells us that we are granted every land we will conquer within the borders mentioned. In the north, the Torah states: "Every place where the sole of your foot will tread shall be yours—from the wilderness and the Lebanon, from the river—the Euphrates River—until the western sea shall be your boundary." This promise from the Creator clearly places the land of Lebanon within the Promised Land of Israel, or what some refer to as "the Complete Land of Israel", or “The greater Israel”.
The Ramban wrote that Lebanon is within the borders of Israel and adds that we were obligated and commanded to conquer it.
Sefer Yehoshua begins with Hashem speaking to Yehoshua and repeating the above command: "Every place your foot will step has been given to you, as I spoke to Moshe—from the desert and Lebanon until the great river, the Euphrates."
The Tribe of Asher is mainly associated with regions that include parts of Lebanon. Following the conquest of the land under Yehoshua, the tribes established their territories, with Asher extending into areas adjacent to Lebanon. The text describes the border of the Tribe of Asher, detailing sections of borders and lists of cities, some of which are border cities that mark the tribe's boundary. Within the inheritance of the Tribe of Asher lies the Valley of Acco, north of Mount Carmel, with its northernmost point in the city of Sidon.
The extension of the Land of Israel to include additional territories, such as in the concept of "Greater Israel," has several potential halachic implications. These mainly revolve around commandments that are tied specifically to the land, known as mitzvot hateluyot ba'aretz- (mitzvot dependent on the land). Some key halachic implications include:
- Shmitta (the sabbatical year where the land must rest every seven years).
- Mitzvot Dependent on the Land: Certain agricultural commandments apply only in the Land of Israel. These include:
- Terumot and Ma’aserot (tithes given to the Kohanim, Levites, and the poor).
- Orlah (the prohibition of eating fruits from trees during the first three years of their growth).
Expanding Israel’s borders would mean extending the requirement to observe these mitzvot in the newly included territories.
The River Perat, commonly identified with the Euphrates River, is situated in the Middle East. It flows through several countries, including Turkey, Syria, and Iraq, before emptying into the Persian Gulf. In biblical contexts, the Euphrates River is often mentioned as a significant boundary in the promises made to the Jewish people regarding the Land of Israel.
- Two days of Yomtov: There is a difference between those who live within the borders of Israel, who observe one day of Yom Tov, and those living outside, who keep two days. Accordingly, if the land were to extend to the greater borders of Israel, this distinction would apply. (According to halacha that follows the Ritva ריטב"א ר"ה יח, א; סוכה מג, א arguing on the Rambam רמב"ם הל' קדוש החודש ה, ט-יב)
- Inhabitants and Settlement: According to some opinions, living in the biblical boundaries of Eretz Yisrael may be considered a mitzvah. Expanding Israel’s borders could extend the obligation for Jews to settle and inhabit those areas.
- Traveling Outside the land: One may not leave the boundaries of Eretz Yisrael if they dwell there, except for learning Torah, getting married, or for their livelihood. Therefore, they can travel to those extra territories if they are conquered.
- War and Conquest: The concept of milchemet mitzvah (a commanded war) includes conquering certain territories that were promised in the Torah. If new land is identified as part of the biblical borders, there may be halachic discussions about the obligation to conquer and settle it.
If one looks at a map, they will be astounded by how far north this river extends and how vast the Land of Israel truly is. While we may not be able to reclaim all of it in our time, Hashem will surely return it to us soon.
Is Lebanon part of Israel’s promised territory?
To understand this in context, you need to take a look at what this massive amount of land looks like:
And for the pimps who are into diligent research as opposed to accepting whatever narrative is pushed upon them, you'll soon see why it is so important for the world to finally act against these murderers. And why supporting a country hell-bent on putting men in power who believe in a completely made up version of two thousand year old religious text equates directly to what has become over a century of mass murder that will never stop until the world makes it so.
See this is a much better troll job. Yes Israel is planning to conquer half the middle east and Africa....
Those sneaky Jews....thank goodness we have your investigative journalism and know how to dig up cached articles to expose this conspiracy. I know I will sleep more soundly tonight knowing you're on the case.
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Yea bro...like.... is having rockets launched at you even a big deal any more? I mean they did kill a bunch of kids with those projectiles of peace....but they were Druze....does it even matter?
US does help Israel with Iron Dome missiles to protect Israeli citizens but then a bunch of the same people here whine and complain about those rockets costing something like 40-50,000$ a piece. Why should Israel/US have to pay these outrageous costs to shoot down Lebanese and Hamas rockets?
I wonder how long the British would tolerate the Irish sending rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas....?
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You realize the IRA was a thing right?
I mean... just asking based on that last sentence...
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Even rudimentary research, let alone diligent research on the rocket narrative leads us to only one conclusion...
I bet some of these clowns can't wait to start drooling when the updated figures come out.
Take a stab, pimp; this is an easy one.
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Even rudimentary research, let alone diligent research on the rocket narrative leads us to only one conclusion...
I bet some of these clowns can't wait to start drooling when the updated figures come out.
Take a stab, pimp; this is an easy one.
These people will argue that slingshotting stones required air strikes and tanks.
It doesn't matter what Israel do, everything is fine, they will accept all of it without hesitation. There are no red lines in the incessant escalations, nothing is too far.
More war for my viewing pleasure please.
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Yeh, more children murdering terrorists who bombed indiscriminately tooYou realize the IRA was a thing right?
I mean... just asking based on that last sentence...
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How many of those (probably massaged numbers, as they always are) are a result or friendly fire? Palestinians have a bad habit of making an arse of blowing rockets in Gaza
Even rudimentary research, let alone diligent research on the rocket narrative leads us to only one conclusion...
I bet some of these clowns can't wait to start drooling when the updated figures come out.
Take a stab, pimp; this is an easy one.
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You can't talk of escalations and ignore Oct 7 as a major one
You cant talk of escalation but not ask why the fuck Hesbollah thought it was a good idea to fire rockets into Israel since then. They didnt even need to be involved but decided to fire missiles at civilians and children
If they left israel alone they wouldnt get slapped back
dont antagonise someone stronger then whine like a bitch when they start winning the fight
You cant talk of escalation but not ask why the fuck Hesbollah thought it was a good idea to fire rockets into Israel since then. They didnt even need to be involved but decided to fire missiles at civilians and children
If they left israel alone they wouldnt get slapped back
dont antagonise someone stronger then whine like a bitch when they start winning the fight
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This will upset some of the Islamic supremacists on here. Nice
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Absolutely no surprise to see this getting completely out of hand now.
How anyone can honestly be happy that they sat and played cheerleader for this I'll never know.
There is not a good side to be found in this conflict, not anywhere, but the least guilty parties (the citizens) are the ones that will pay the ultimate price.
How anyone can honestly be happy that they sat and played cheerleader for this I'll never know.
There is not a good side to be found in this conflict, not anywhere, but the least guilty parties (the citizens) are the ones that will pay the ultimate price.
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