International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

[KnightTemplar]

 

[DEVILsSON]

Idgaf about nasrallah nor hezbollah. I care about all the Lebanese civilians that are massacred, including the kids.

ما يهمني هو الظلم والإبابة الذي تدعمه كل يوم هنا منذ سنة. الأولاد الصغار الممزقين بقصفاتكم و قنابلكم

ولكن يبدو أن يفرحك ذلك. أو على الأقل أن لا يزعجك ولوو نثقال ذرة. الحق يقال.

ترى الآلاف من المدنيين العرب والأولاد و النساء مقتولين

وهذا لك شيء ضئيل، ما عنده أهمية كأنهم تحت قيمة الحيوان

فهمت ذلك عنك

Any reason you post clickbait / fake Reddit posts and won't respond to even Al Jazeera contradicting your claims?

Weren't you complaining I don't respond to your posts? I am tagging you and or quoting your posts so I know you see them. Is Al Jazeera Zionist Hasbara also?

Per Google Translate from Arabic:

"What matters to me is the injustice and arrogance that you support every day here for a year. Little boys torn apart by your bombings and your bombs But it seems that this makes you happy. Or at least it doesn't bother you one iota. Truth be told. You see thousands of Arab civilians, children and women killed And this is something insignificant to you, it doesn't matter as if they are worth less than animals I get that about you"

It's amazing that you can lay blame at anyone but the people who started a senseless war and continue to fight it with no care for their people.

I doubt there's a single person here who views Palestinians as less than human or experiences joy reading or watching the conflict. The death and destruction that you you witness is a consequence of war. It's brutal and ugly. A lot of innocent people get hurt and killed. It is why Oct 7th made zero sense.

Does Israel care more about Israelis than Palestinians? Clearly yes. That's a "no shit Sherlock" situation. That is also the duty of every government.

Your exaggerations and outright lies (whether intentional or simply reposting manipulative information) are not helping the situation.

 

[Samjj]

Idgaf about nasrallah nor hezbollah. I care about all the Lebanese civilians that are massacred, including the kids.

ما يهمني هو الظلم والإبابة الذي تدعمه كل يوم هنا منذ سنة. الأولاد الصغار الممزقين بقصفاتكم و قنابلكم

ولكن يبدو أن يفرحك ذلك. أو على الأقل أن لا يزعجك ولوو نثقال ذرة. الحق يقال.

ترى الآلاف من المدنيين العرب والأولاد و النساء مقتولين

وهذا لك شيء ضئيل، ما عنده أهمية كأنهم تحت قيمة الحيوان

فهمت ذلك عنك

أتمنى لك ولعائلتك السلام والصحة، كما أتمنى لنفسي .أتمنى أن يخف ألمك..

 

[Halifax]

Idgaf about nasrallah nor hezbollah. I care about all the Lebanese civilians that are massacred, including the kids.

ما يهمني هو الظلم والإبابة الذي تدعمه كل يوم هنا منذ سنة. الأولاد الصغار الممزقين بقصفاتكم و قنابلكم

ولكن يبدو أن يفرحك ذلك. أو على الأقل أن لا يزعجك ولوو نثقال ذرة. الحق يقال.

ترى الآلاف من المدنيين العرب والأولاد و النساء مقتولين

وهذا لك شيء ضئيل، ما عنده أهمية كأنهم تحت قيمة الحيوان

فهمت ذلك عنك

Then save your outrage for hezbollah and hamas and demand they throw down their arms and subject themselves to the unthinkable "surrender"

 

[kflo]

They don’t care about Palestinian life. Or Christian. Or anyone else who isn’t in their mob

Not like they have almost 2m Arab citizens….

 

[kflo]

I have never said that.
Its like you cannot not lie!

I stated: 1) Israel is colonzing the ME to create a greater Israel 2) its driven by the belief that Jews are superior to nonJews in the ME.

Israel is an apartheid state ffs. Israel is stealing land in the WB. Israel naps Palestinian civilians including kids and holds them without charge.

Israel has a large Arab population and had peaceful relations with neighbor Arab states. Just not the ones trying to eliminate them.

 

[Rholk]

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

 

[KnightTemplar]

And the hits just keep on coming!

 

[filthybliss]

Idgaf about nasrallah nor hezbollah. I care about all the Lebanese civilians that are massacred, including the kids.

You should care about Nasrallah and Hezabollah because they oppress Lebanese Civilians and they dragged them into this conflict.

 

[scoopj]

أتمنى لك ولعائلتك السلام والصحة، كما أتمنى لنفسي .أتمنى أن يخف ألمك..

This looks like the old Atari game Defender.

 

[USA!USA!]

RIP to the innocents as always.. they always pay some sort of price in these strikes, it never gets easy to see.

With that being said, Israel is embarrassing their enemies badly and well on their way to destroying them. Good thing their enemies have their fundamentalist religious beliefs to fall back on, because that is about all they have at this moment. They are getting molly whopped.

 

[Strychnine]

And in turn showing us who the real leader of Hezbollah is.

 

[Strychnine]

Idgaf about nasrallah nor hezbollah. I care about all the Lebanese civilians that are massacred, including the kids.

ما يهمني هو الظلم والإبادة الذي تدعمه كل يوم هنا منذ سنة. الأولاد الصغار الممزقين بقصفاتكم و قنابلكم

ولكن يبدو أن يفرحك ذلك. أو على الأقل أن لا يزعجك ولو مثقال ذرة. الحق يقال.

ترى الآلاف من المدنيين العرب والأولاد و النساء مقتولين

وهذا لك شيء ضئيل، ما عنده أهمية كأنهم تحت قيمة الحيوان

فهمت ذلك عنك

 

[Anewt]

How the Israeli settlers movement shaped modern Israel

The settler movement has unprecedented power in Israel today − the result of a decades-long push to mainstream its views and leaders.

theconversation.com

Really interesting read

 

[Halifax]

That movie still rocks lol

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

Get fucked, Khamenei.

 

[wildchild88]

Any reason you post clickbait / fake Reddit posts and won't respond to even Al Jazeera contradicting your claims?

Weren't you complaining I don't respond to your posts? I am tagging you and or quoting your posts so I know you see them. Is Al Jazeera Zionist Hasbara also?

Per Google Translate from Arabic:


It's amazing that you can lay blame at anyone but the people who started a senseless war and continue to fight it with no care for their people.

I doubt there's a single person here who views Palestinians as less than human or experiences joy reading or watching the conflict. The death and destruction that you you witness is a consequence of war. It's brutal and ugly. A lot of innocent people get hurt and killed. It is why Oct 7th made zero sense.

Does Israel care more about Israelis than Palestinians? Clearly yes. That's a "no shit Sherlock" situation. That is also the duty of every government.

Your exaggerations and outright lies (whether intentional or simply reposting manipulative information) are not helping the situation.

Hamas is responsible for this turning into all out conflict over the last year, and killing over 1000 people in October 2023.

But Israel is responsible for a disproportionate response, a one year sustained bombing of Gaza with 16,000+ children dead, and almost 50% of buildings destroyed or badly damaged.

From a historical longer term, I feel that Israel is the more culpable party. Yes Palestinians voted for hamas back in 07. But only because Israel kept strong arming the Palestinian authority back then. Israel just kept taking more of their land, bit by bit, and people got sick of it, so they voted for a party which would have a stronger stance on resisting Israel. Since 07 Israel has put a blockade on Gaza, essentially strangling their economy and way of life, leaving them in poverty. Further radicalising them.

 

[DEVILsSON]

Hamas is responsible for this turning into all out conflict over the last year, and killing over 1000 people in October 2023.

But Israel is responsible for a disproportionate response, a one year sustained bombing of Gaza with 16,000+ children dead, and almost 50% of buildings destroyed or badly damaged.

From a historical longer term, I feel that Israel is the more culpable party. Yes Palestinians voted for hamas back in 07. But only because Israel kept strong arming the Palestinian authority back then. Israel just kept taking more of their land, bit by bit, and people got sick of it, so they voted for a party which would have a stronger stance on resisting Israel. Since 07 Israel has put a blockade on Gaza, essentially strangling their economy and way of life, leaving them in poverty. Further radicalising them.

Propertionality is quite subjective.

I am also not buying these numbers. How many 15-17 year Hamas fighters or those actively assisting war efforts are out there? In the West you view them as children whereas Hamas views them as men. I would not be surprised to find out that even younger children are used by Hamas.

The West is being repeatedly manipulated by Hamas. I believe nothing I hear and only half what I see. There have been staged videos with actors despite claims of countless losses.

Hamas's style of fighting causes the disproportionate losses. Hamas literally commit war crimes by fighting from within civilian areas.

It's almost like you and many others just view this whole war in some weird vacuum.

Hamas can end this war and their people's suffering by surrendering. They choose not to.

You're surprised a country at war is using a blockade to restrict the movement of goods for their enemies?

I am more surprised that people so dependent on another country for their most basic needs chose to wage such an unprovoked and barbaric attack knowing full well of the probable consequences.

 

[wildchild88]

Propertionality is quite subjective.

I am also not buying these numbers. How many 15-17 year Hamas fighters or those actively assisting war efforts are out there? In the West you view them as children whereas Hamas views them as men. I would not be surprised to find out that even younger children are used by Hamas.

The West is being repeatedly manipulated by Hamas. I believe nothing I hear and only half what I see. There have been staged videos with actors despite claims of countless losses.

Hamas's style of fighting causes the disproportionate losses. Hamas literally commit war crimes by fighting from within civilian areas.

It's almost like you and many others just view this whole war in some weird vacuum.

Hamas can end this war and their people's suffering by surrendering. They choose not to.

You're surprised a country at war is using a blockade to restrict the movement of goods for their enemies?

I am more surprised that people so dependent on another country for their most basic needs chose to wage such an unprovoked and barbaric attack knowing full well of the probable consequences.

Proportionality could be seen as subjective if the numbers were close, in this case, they aren't close at all.

The numbers of deaths are registered in cooperation between NGO's and The UN and World Health organisation. I'd believe them over the Israeli government personally. The Israeli government have a strong, lengthy track record of bald faced lies, i'd be more than happy to provide examples (they are extensive). The UN sure isn't pefect, but at least there is a degree of tranparancy and accountability to their processes.

But sure, if its convenient to think that they are trumping up numbers of dead children then go ahead, they're just dead kids after all.. who cares, Israel has a right to defend itself!

Members of Hamas responsible for October 7 should surrender to the ICJ, give over the hostages, and they should not have conducted the attacks on October 7, concurrently Israel should have taken a more humane approach to this conflict, I also think that the relevant Israelis who are complicit in war crimes should be submitted to the ICJ.

It's funny that you're saying that im viewing this conflict in a vacuum, as your perspective seems to be quite a-historical and not acknowledging the deeper context that lies behind it. Saying that i'm viewing it in a vacuum makes zero sense, i've provided historical and political context to my arguments, more than you have..

Again you're acting incredulous about me mentioning the blockade, but you don't seem to understand the issue. The blockade has been active since 2007, during which long periods of no direct conflict between the parties has occured. That is nearly 20 years of harsh economic and social restrictions, that is hyper oppressive to the people. Additionally settlers continue to take palestinian land.

You're acting like all is fair and good, Israel holds 85% of the land, and with unending financial and military support from the U.S. they can basically kick the palestinians around as much as they want, that's what they've been doing for decades.

Hamas's militant stance is not acceptable, but when you harshly oppress people, militias rise to power, armed groups emerge, disenfranchised people become radicalised. I can guarantee you that most palestinians would not have wanted the October 7 attacks to have occured, not just because it was wrong, but because they would have known the consequences.