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Koya said:
Just like Azerbaïdjan did to ethnically cleanse Armenians from artsakh. But their muslim hating christian brothers on this forum forgive Israel for that, like they do for everything Israel does.
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Who are the ones that were ethnically cleansing the Armenians and what is their religion?

Typical Koya playing the crybaby victim as usual.
 
Islam Imamate said:
This is why I am hesitant to support sanctioning the country in general. If there are to be sanctions on Israel it should be on key firms and people involved directly with the settlements and not the country as a whole as it could push Israel towards that realignment.

Then again any sanctions might do that given that Israel already has one foot in the door of that realignment. They are the 2nd largest arms exporter to China behind only Russia and were even selling weapons to Myanmar years after the campaign against the Rohingya started. If you're a country that wants high tech Western weapons but you have an abysmal human rights records and are sanctioned by most Western countries you go to Israel for weapons.
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That's why I kinda pulled back on the 'US can just bully them' approach. In the short term, sure. But oof, letting Israel just walk over to Russia and China. That'd be a blow. Even just psychologically, so many people in the US are really emotionally invested in Israel. What would the fallout be with US Zionists? The evangelicals, the liberal and conservative jews. It'd be ugly.
 
Koya said:
No one else will ever shield them "whatever the cost" like the US did this time tho. No one else even has the power to.

As I've said previously, either Biden is reelected and the pressure of the younger base of the democrat party gets to him to crack on Bibi, or it's Trump and he rolls Bibi a red carpet.
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shield them from harm, sure. That's why I focus so much on the UNSC. Just need one daddy to claim them as their own and call any interference with Israel a 'red line', and everyone freezes in their place. Russia and China are permanent 5.

France and England won't, they are in firm alliance with US forming 'the west'.

re Biden, if you can't crack him by November, there is no cracking him. Last term, last legs, lifelong zionist.
 
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BAM said:
That's why I kinda pulled back on the 'US can just bully them' approach. In the short term, sure. But oof, letting Israel just walk over to Russia and China. That'd be a blow. Even just psychologically, so many people in the US are really emotionally invested in Israel. What would the fallout be with US Zionists? The evangelicals, the liberal and conservative jews. It'd be ugly.
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Idk that I personally care about that angle but Israel already forks over US tech to China as is, imagine if they overtly realigned with them.
 
tastaylvr said:


This video is not a movie. It actually happened. ISIS was the result of this video.

If ISIS drop nukes on America until you surrender, is it your fault? Are Americans to blame?

This has been your argument. You said it's Hamas' fault that Israel has to kill 10s of thousands of people and starve millions. It's Hamas' fault that Israel had to bomb them to the dark ages. If ISIS does the same then is it America's fault?

It's just a fucking stupid argument.
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No more stupid than giving Hamas a pass because they're firing rockets out of an apartment building full of civilians.
 
Koya said:
Let's be real one second. I tend to understand your point of view even when I disagree with it and see you and @Anewt as the only two neutrals on this thread contrary to some pretenders. But you're doing a lot of naive unproductive wishful thinking this one time.

If a current innocent starving 8 years old boy that has lost both his father and mother in Israeli bombings and as now to take care of his sister that got amputated of her two legs without anesthesia by selling grass he picks up on the market gets revenge in 10 years against Israel for totally destroying his present and future and calling him "necessary collateral" I'm not blaming him one second. I stand by that.

The gaslighting Zionists here who play shocked while they justify every horror their militia (it's not an army for me anymore) does by the name of Oct 7th don't realize it's a two way street. Because it is. The free killing card they think they have isn't free. The dehumanizing of Palestinians doesn't make them less humans. It's not free.

Maybe just maybe the cycle of oppression could end from the oppressor, instead of starting with the oppressed.
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This guy thinks if Israel didn’t restrict Gaza that Gaza would have just been kind back to Israel……

C’mon - you’ve been asked ad nauseam to explain what would work in dealing with Gaza and you’ve never even attempted to answer.
 
Koya said:
"I do care about Palestinians I just don't care when Israel bombs and burns alive children and women by the thousands. Nor Israel fault if they're dropping 2,000lb bombs on residential areas and droning civilians who walk with a donkey!"
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He definitely says goofy shit. I’m sure when he reads his own posts he realizes his logic doesn’t make much sense.
 
Strychnine said:
No more stupid than giving Hamas a pass because they're firing rockets out of an apartment building full of civilians.
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Knowing that the psychopathic IDF will just level the entire building to kill 1 Hamas scumbag, killing a hundred civilians in the process. No wonder the IDF are killing or arresting every journalist they come across.
 
iwannabeadored said:
He definitely says goofy shit. I’m sure when he reads his own posts he realizes his logic doesn’t make much sense.
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He gave a story where he was trying to help a Muslim as a medic when he was deployed. He was upset that they didn't want his help while he was invading their country. I assume that's where his hatred for Muslims stems from.

It's just like ChadR and his hatred. His father was a Muslim that left the religion. Now he wants all Muslims dead. It's a weird world we live in.
 
tastaylvr said:
He gave a story where he was trying to help a Muslim as a medic when he was deployed. He was upset that they didn't want his help while he was invading their country. I assume that's where his hatred for Muslims stems from.

It's just like ChadR and his hatred. His father was a Muslim that left the religion. Now he wants all Muslims dead. It's a weird world we live in.
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No, that was a subordinate of mine who was deployed to an insurgent holding facility. My brother-in-law is a Muslim from Morocco. I love him and he loves me back.

Do keep up old boy...
 
Strychnine said:
No, that was a subordinate of mine who was deployed to an insurgent holding facility. My brother-in-law is a Muslim from Morocco. I love him and he loves me back.

Do keep up old boy...
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lol the story that always changes

as good as you donating to UNWRA
 
The amount of times I've seen this idea repeated that you're not allowed to resist if you can't militarily win is disturbing. If it was just one guy repeating it over and over its one thing but I've seen over a dozen posters pull that shit showing it is generally considered a compelling argument.
 
ferrisjso said:
The amount of times I've seen this idea repeated that you're not allowed to resist if you can't militarily win is disturbing. If it was just one guy repeating it over and over its one thing but I've seen over a dozen posters pull that shit showing it is generally considered a compelling argument.
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I think anyone has the right to resist as long as they have the will to do so.

I just don't think raping and murdering women at a benefit that's FOR you is the way to do it.

But that's just me.
 
Strychnine said:
I think anyone has the right to resist as long as they have the will to do so.

I just don't think raping and murdering women at a benefit that's FOR you is the way to do it.

But that's just me.
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We have been through this already. The IDF has raped and killed more women than Hamas has ever done. What's your point exactly?
 
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