International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

[Anewt]

Like an hydra if you cut their heads others will grow that are worse

The problem is not those people, it's the whole israeli society that is behind what they do. They hate Bibi because of corruption not because of the Gaza genocide.

Ever asked yourselves how did they came into power in the first place ? Something something elections.

I understand that lost people don't want to call it like it is because really the reality of the israeli society is too horrible to tell.

But the video above sums up a lot of things.

I Know its hard to believe for you. But not all israelis are like that. Are all americans maga ? I mean its a democracy that voted right. So every american is maga ? You know its silly logic.

Just like all palestinians are not hamas supporters despite hamas winning the election in gaza. Dont play the same game.


Regarding netanyu winning..

The first thing to note is that overall turnout actually went up, from 67% in 2021 to 71%. Irrespective of everything else, it is quite remarkable that the Israeli public’s response to election after election is actually to go to vote in greater numbers.

What is more significant, though, is who went to vote in greater numbers, and who did not. Center- and left-leaning cities in the center of the country – such as Tel Aviv, Herzliya, Kfar Saba, Hod Hasharon and Raanana – saw turnout figures virtually unchanged from 2021. In contrast, cities that lean rightward, such as Beersheba, Jerusalem, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Tiberias, Kiryat Gat and Afula, all saw turnout rates increase by between three and seven percentage points.

Looking at the raw vote figures further illustrates this point. In 2021, 2.22 million Israelis cast their votes for parties opposed to Netanyahu, as opposed to 2.13 million for pro-Netanyahu parties. This time, while the non-Bibi bloc grew its vote by 5 percent, to 2.33 million, the Netanyahu bloc grew by 11 percent, to 2.36 million. All in all, Netanyahu added 230,000 votes to his bloc from the previous round, while the other side added half as many.



Its basically the exact same arguement i put forth for palestians.

Hamas won the January 25, 2006 elections in Palestine, winning 42.9 % of the vote (with 77 percent voter turnout

The turnout was unexpectedly high which helped Netanyahu’s right and far right bloc – 71.3% was the highest since 2015.

Likud led by Netanyahu won 32 seats with 23.4% of votes.

Of course we can delve into the coalition gvir and smoitrich.

Religious Zionism, led by Bezalel Smotrich, and its partner party Otzma Yehudit, led by Itamar Ben-Gvir, won 14 seats, an increase of 8 on 2021. Both parties campaigned on far-right, Jewish supremacist, pro-settler, anti-Palestinian platforms. Both parties, particularly

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But heres the real kicker. Just like in france and here. Politicians can play games to ignore the voters.


Shas and the United Torah Judaism parties, both representing the interests of Haredi (ultra-orthodox) Jews, won 11 and 7 seats respectively.

Between them all four of the above parties signed agreements either to run joint lists, or to share what are called left over seats, once the first seat allocation is completed. In effect this signified a shared desire to form a government together.



Netanyu won by a bees dick and will lose as soon as a election is called. Which is why the war is continueing. Its no coincidence both hamas and netanyu avoid letting the people vote ......

Many many israelies are protesting him. Unfortunately there is still a element of fear about speaking out that is present currently.


If all the israelies were as evil as ypu imply... this current shit show would never have occured... thered be no palestinians already as throughout the decades theyve had the means... and countless oppurtunities


If you think all israelies are a monolith you literally are no different than those who believe all palestinians are.

They can point to prior elections . Of hamas " winning " votes. Public displays and abhorrent comments from leadership as well.

The reality is fucked up. That ill agree with

 

[The_Renaissance]

Hamxs leader Sami Abu Zuhri, living comfortably in Qatar, admits in this podcast that they fully understood the consequences of October 7th and that they’re completely fine with it.

He shamelessly says that for every person killed, ten more will take their place and homes can simply be rebuilt.

This is the kind of trash Israel is expected to negotiate with. This is the group that Starmer, Macron, and Carney want to reward with a free pass. Absolutely disgusting.



In response, protesters shouted: “Abu Zuhri you are scumbag—our children have the right to live!”

This is what every anti-Israeli person needs to see, read and absorb. This is what the Jewish people of Israel are dealing with and this is what needs eradicating by any means necessary IMO.

 

[Koya]

I Know its hard to believe for you. But not all israelis are like that. Are all americans maga ? I mean its a democracy that voted right. So every american is maga ? You know its silly logic.

Just like all palestinians are not hamas supporters despite hamas winning the election in gaza. Dont play the same game.


Regarding netanyu winning..

The first thing to note is that overall turnout actually went up, from 67% in 2021 to 71%. Irrespective of everything else, it is quite remarkable that the Israeli public’s response to election after election is actually to go to vote in greater numbers.

What is more significant, though, is who went to vote in greater numbers, and who did not. Center- and left-leaning cities in the center of the country – such as Tel Aviv, Herzliya, Kfar Saba, Hod Hasharon and Raanana – saw turnout figures virtually unchanged from 2021. In contrast, cities that lean rightward, such as Beersheba, Jerusalem, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Tiberias, Kiryat Gat and Afula, all saw turnout rates increase by between three and seven percentage points.

Looking at the raw vote figures further illustrates this point. In 2021, 2.22 million Israelis cast their votes for parties opposed to Netanyahu, as opposed to 2.13 million for pro-Netanyahu parties. This time, while the non-Bibi bloc grew its vote by 5 percent, to 2.33 million, the Netanyahu bloc grew by 11 percent, to 2.36 million. All in all, Netanyahu added 230,000 votes to his bloc from the previous round, while the other side added half as many.



Its basically the exact same arguement i put forth for palestians.

Hamas won the January 25, 2006 elections in Palestine, winning 42.9 % of the vote (with 77 percent voter turnout

The turnout was unexpectedly high which helped Netanyahu’s right and far right bloc – 71.3% was the highest since 2015.

Likud led by Netanyahu won 32 seats with 23.4% of votes.

Of course we can delve into the coalition gvir and smoitrich.

Religious Zionism, led by Bezalel Smotrich, and its partner party Otzma Yehudit, led by Itamar Ben-Gvir, won 14 seats, an increase of 8 on 2021. Both parties campaigned on far-right, Jewish supremacist, pro-settler, anti-Palestinian platforms. Both parties, particularly

​

​

But heres the real kicker. Just like in france and here. Politicians can play games to ignore the voters.


Shas and the United Torah Judaism parties, both representing the interests of Haredi (ultra-orthodox) Jews, won 11 and 7 seats respectively.

Between them all four of the above parties signed agreements either to run joint lists, or to share what are called left over seats, once the first seat allocation is completed. In effect this signified a shared desire to form a government together.



Netanyu won by a bees dick and will lose as soon as a election is called. Which is why the war is continueing. Its no coincidence both hamas and netanyu avoid letting the people vote ......

Many many israelies are protesting him. Unfortunately there is still a element of fear about speaking out that is present currently.


If all the israelies were as evil as ypu imply... this current shit show would never have occured... thered be no palestinians already as throughout the decades theyve had the means... and countless oppurtunities


If you think all israelies are a monolith you literally are no different than those who believe all palestinians are.

They can point to prior elections . Of hamas " winning " votes. Public displays and abhorrent comments from leadership as well.

The reality is fucked up. That ill agree with

Oh but I agree it's not all. This why I never said all. Look at B'tselem organization, they're Israelis that really want peace. Thus why I said an overwhelming majority.

That nuance is important because of course there's not 100% adhesion. But even 60% would be an overwhelming majority when you've got millions on people. The support on current Gaza decimation is over the roof.

I think this reality is hard for you to believe because that means millions of people are bloodthirsty monsters.

And again the people who protest Netanyahu do It because of corruption and because he F ups the hostages release. If not those two things they couldn't give two shits about Gazans lives, quite the contrary. On a 100 persons on the video above count how many gave a shit, or just didn't want to blatantly murder them all.

 

[Koya]

"every child, every children in Gaza in an enemy". Another exception. Another exception voted in by the people. Lots of them. Not all like that yada yada... just an overwhelming majority that's all. Imagine anyone any pm of any country in the world saying that. How would you judge that country? Only democracy in the middle east yada yada.

 

[Snubnoze707]

"every child, every children in Gaza in an enemy". Another exception. Another exception voted in by the people. Lots of them. Not all like that yada yada... just an overwhelming majority that's all. Imagine anyone any pm of any country in the world saying that. How would you judge that country? Only democracy in the middle east yada yada.

This is what every anti-Palestinian person needs to see, read and absorb. This is what the Palestinian people of Palestine are dealing with and this is what needs eradicating by any means necessary IMO.

 

[Koya]

Pure evil. Nothing else. "We must not reach a situation of total famine to not lose the support of our allies".

 

[Koya]

Netanyahu is just the tip of the iceberg. The ideology is doing what it was created for. If it wasn't we wouldn't be prevented from saying its very name here.

 

[kflo]

He is also a terrible, terrible human being.

Both Netanyahu and this guy, Abu Zuhri, sitting in palaces actively encouraging the mass slaughter and destruction of thousands of lives, plus the cruel lifelong injuries many, many, many thousands more have suffered and will continue to suffer.

I just wish we could teleport these pieces of shit into the middle of Gaza during a strike and ask them "is it still such a fantastic idea?"

Yet you literally want Hamas to stay in charge of Gaza right now. You insist on it.

Unless you simply don’t understand that’s what you advocate for.

 

[Siver!]

Yet you literally want Hamas to stay in charge of Gaza right now. You insist on it.

Unless you simply don’t understand that’s what you advocate for.

 

[kflo]

You seem to be saying you don’t even understand what you advocate for.

The natural extension of what you want keeps Hamas in power in Gaza. Indefinitely.

 

[Siver!]

You seem to be saying you don’t even understand what you advocate for.

The natural extension of what you want keeps Hamas in power in Gaza. Indefinitely.

No it doesn't.

Stop strawmanning.

If that's your only route towards justifying the evil Israel is perpetrating, sounds like you're all out of ideas. This ludicrous assertion exists solely because right now Gazans are too busy getting bombed to shit and starved to death and worrying about their dying family members and babies to be able to do anything about Hamas.

Grow up and wake up on this issue, man, you're well out of the realm of humanity.

 

[kflo]

No it doesn't.

Stop strawmanning.

If that's your only route towards justifying the evil Israel is perpetrating, sounds like you're all out of ideas. This ludicrous assertion exists solely because right now Gazans are too busy getting bombed to shit and starved to death and worrying about their dying family members and babies to be able to do anything about Hamas.

Grow up and wake up on this issue, man, you're well out of the realm of humanity.

You wanted, from the beginning, for this to end with Hamas in power of Gaza.

 

[Siver!]

You wanted, from the beginning, for this to end with Hamas in power of Gaza.

No, I didn't.

This is all down to your inability to entertain any way of removing Hamas without genociding Gaza.

We've had this discussion numerous times and it always, always, always ends with you saying "but you don't have a solution that immediately removes Hamas" (keyword: immediately), hence that's how you remember it.

You end up thinking it would be better to completely destroy Palestine in order to make sure Hamas are all dead, a truly genocidal thought process. You are an innately genocidal person.

 

[kflo]

No, I didn't.

This is all down to your inability to entertain any way of removing Hamas without genociding Gaza.

We've had this discussion numerous times and it always, always, always ends with you saying "but you don't have a solution that immediately removes Hamas" (keyword: immediately), hence that's how you remember it.

You end up thinking it would be better to completely destroy Palestine in order to make sure Hamas are all dead, a truly genocidal thought process. You are an innately genocidal person.

Hamas had been in power since 2006. They aren’t going anywhere naturally.


And stop lying about my position. I want minimal civilian casualties. But hamas can’t continue to govern. They can’t stay in power. For the future of the people there.

 

[Siver!]

Hamas had been in power since 2006. They aren’t going anywhere naturally.


And stop lying about my position. I want minimal civilian casualties. But hamas can’t continue to govern. They can’t stay in power. For the future of the people there.

Hamas have already lost this war. It's a defeat. It was a defeat about a year ago. What we're seeing is completely unnecessary, monstrous, and evil.

Have you noticed that Israel are going to take Gaza and displace the civilian population? Yeah, it's nothing to do with Hamas anymore. "The future of the people". LMAO. "Minimal civilian casualties." Come on...

Israel are destroying and torturing a civilian population to "get at" a handful of jerks in Qatar. Hmm, doesn't quite work, does it? It would be quicker to just attack Qatar if that was really the aim. And don't bring the hostages into it, Netanyahu (and you) never gave a fuck about them.

 

[kflo]

Hamas have already lost this war. It's a defeat. It was a defeat about a year ago. What we're seeing is completely unnecessary, monstrous, and evil.

That’s nonsense. They still are the presence in Gaza. Stop gaslighting.

Have you noticed that Israel are going to take Gaza and displace the civilian population? Yeah, it's nothing to do with Hamas anymore. "The future of the people". LMAO. "Minimal civilian casualties." Come on...

Israel are destroying and torturing a civilian population to "get at" a handful of jerks in Qatar. Hmm, doesn't quite work, does it? It would be quicker to just attack Qatar if that was really the aim. And don't bring the hostages into it, Netanyahu (and you) never gave a fuck about them.

Lol at a handful of jerks. They literally are in the streets of Gaza, armed.

 

[Siver!]

That’s nonsense. They still are the presence in Gaza.

A bunch of tunnel rats is all that's left of Hamas in Gaza.

I'd try to appeal to your sense of reason, but this conflict is a magical glyph that you can't see past. Anything is fine, anything is acceptable.

 

[kflo]

A bunch of tunnel rats is all that's left of Hamas in Gaza.

I'd try to appeal to your sense of reason, but this conflict is a magical glyph that you can't see past. Anything is fine, anything is acceptable.

These are tunnel rats?

 

[kflo]

A bunch of tunnel rats is all that's left of Hamas in Gaza.

I'd try to appeal to your sense of reason, but this conflict is a magical glyph that you can't see past. Anything is fine, anything is acceptable.

These are tunnel rats?

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Everyone should see that video. Those are not politicians, those people are not right wing extremists, etc. They're normal run of the mill Israelis. And those people think like that. Even little kids. Bloodthirsty genocidal maniacs who want to kill everyone and think that killing dozens of thousands of kids is good because they would "grow up to be terrorists".

That's what the average israeli thinks, just right before your eyes in video. Just watch.

Well, they are not wrong.