Opinion H1-B Visas. How do we fix this mess?

If you hire an H1b you're hiring an unqualified person. No if and or buts about it
How exactly is that the case ? They pass interviews and other examinations.

You must not be familiar with technical interviews, people write code and answer real world scenarios during the interviews, we dont hire by phone or by some staffing company
 
I promise you they suck. Go out and ask for an audit from a 3rd party. I'm not being mean. Your network is probably compromised
Dude, I am the one interviewing them. Surely, there are many foreigners that don’t qualify and don’t get hired, but the ones who passed interviews prove to be quite qualified, our success rate is high
Now, there might be a lot of companies that act as proxy to get them Green cards or visas , but not mine
 
Dude, I am the one interviewing them. Surely, there are many foreigners that don’t qualify and don’t get hired, but the ones who passed interviews prove to be quite qualified, our success rate is high
Now, there might be a lot of companies that act as proxy to get them Green cards or visas , but not mine
I'd still suggest getting an audit. Companies like Palo Alto, who I don't work for, will do it for free since it's just good business for them

EDIT what is your technical knowledge to be able to interview engineers?
 
I'd still suggest getting an audit. Companies like Palo Alto, who I don't work for, will do it for free since it's just good business for them

EDIT what is your technical knowledge to be able to interview engineers?
I have 10+ years in development, and I am not the only one who’s there during the interviews, we have 2-3 senior developers usually present
 
I have 10+ years in development, and I am not the only one who’s there during the interviews, we have 2-3 senior developers usually present
Ok cool. Your company is ahead of the curve when it comes to hiring talent. My company exists to help cover up or patch up shotty work from shitty workers.
 
Ok cool. Your company is ahead of the curve when it comes to hiring talent. My company exists to help cover up or patch up shotty work from shitty workers.
We also do our internal team code reviews and team meetings to discuss performance. We never keep members that don’t perform or don’t want to learn and improve
 
Why don't I sub-contract the whole IT to India in that case then? It's cheaper than retaining a large American staff.
Good luck with that if you want to be competitive. The clients I work won't tolerate talking to someone in India when they're trying to explain their business problems.

And I personally have never seen code coming out of India that wasn't complete dogshit. So, even when you do outsource it still needs to be architected, reviewed, fixed and refactored by an American.

You have a shortage of STEM workers, and you're trying to reducing H1-B?
Yes, absolutely. I worked for a really shitty company that understaffed us so bad that we had to work 50, 60 and sometimes 70hrs weeks. It wasn't so bad in the beginning but slowly, good people left and everyone else had to stretch to make up the difference. After a while they couldn't find anyone willing to take such a shitty job, so they got desperate visa holders to fill the gaps.

So, instead of addressing the problems that was causing American's to not want to work there, they decided to maintain the status quo with a set of indentured visa holders.
 
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Ok cool. Your company is ahead of the curve when it comes to hiring talent. My company exists to help cover up or patch up shotty work from shitty workers.

this conversation between @Headkicktoleg and @ViD is perfect.

how can two individuals direct experience and exposure results is such different reactions?

one sees it as a sham while the other is seeing it bring incredible value to his place.

your experience is differs so vastly because the system is broken.

great posts and comments by others as well.

theres Karate on tv, but I will try to respond after.
 
Good luck with that if you want to be competitive. The clients I work won't tolerate talking to someone in India when they're trying to explain their business problems.

And I personally have never seen code coming out of India that wasn't complete dogshit. So, even when you do outsource it still needs to be architected, reviewed, fixed and refactored by an American.


Yes, absolutely. I worked for a really shitty company that understaffed us so bad that we had to work 50, 60 and sometimes 70hrs weeks. It wasn't so bad in the beginning but slowly, good people left and everyone else had to stretch to make up the difference. After a while they couldn't find anyone willing to take such a shitty job, so they got desperate visa holders to fill the gaps.

So, instead of addressing the problems that was causing American's to not want to work there, they decided to maintain the status quo with a set of indentured visa holders.
If you find a quality visa holder, it’s a great value for your company as you can retain them for a long time, keeping qualified Americans is hard as they easily move for better offers and locations
 
If you find a quality visa holder, it’s a great value for your company as you can retain them for a long time, keeping qualified Americans is hard as they easily move for better offers and locations

I'm sure they are, but I think if a company has a high percent of them compared to native workers, its an indication of a sub-competitive work environment. The company from my story (a division of Aon that is now Alight), was having great profits at the time, so there wasn't no reason to be demanding devs to put in 70hr weeks. They absolutely could have found workers if they offered a decent work life balance. Instead we got free calendars with pictures taken by our co-workers.
 
I'm sure they are, but I think if a company has a high percent of them compared to native workers, its an indication of a sub-competitive work environment. The company from my story (a division of Aon that is now Alight), was having great profits at the time, so there wasn't no reason to be demanding devs to put in 70hr weeks. They absolutely could have found workers if they offered a decent work life balance. Instead we got free calendars with pictures taken by our co-workers.
I agree visa holders shouldn’t be the majority of the work force
 
I do not see H1-B visas as the enemy. Far more benign than anchor babies getting all their peasant relatives in.
 
I do not see H1-B visas as the enemy. Far more benign than anchor babies getting all their peasant relatives in.
I seriously can’t get why people talk about changing H1B and not the diversity lottery that does nothing for American economy.

Give those green cards to masters and PhD graduates, keep the best specialists in the US and increase the enrollment in American colleges
 
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this conversation between @Headkicktoleg and @ViD is perfect.

how can two individuals direct experience and exposure results is such different reactions?

one sees it as a sham while the other is seeing it bring incredible value to his place.

your experience is differs so vastly because the system is broken.

great posts and comments by others as well.

theres Karate on tv, but I will try to respond after.

Cause anecdotal evidence isn’t absolute. Fortunately we have the ability to communicate and find out about others experience to get additional perspectives and possibly adjust our own if necessary.
 
I seriously can’t get why people talk about changing H1B and not the diversity lottery that does nothing for American economy.

Give those green cards to masters and PhD graduates, keep the best specialists in the US and increase the enrollment in American colleges
for real man. I used to run some labs and projects and we would get people from countries like Venezuela and Malaysia who would go to school in the US and didn't want anything to do with their fucked up home countries and it was heartbreaking to see them pushed out when you have pieces of shit from places like Somalia who are living that HUD life.
 
I do not see H1-B visas as the enemy. Far more benign than anchor babies getting all their peasant relatives in.

H1-B workers do have anchor babies. Just read an article about 2 days ago about an Indian H1-B couple who had 2 kids while working here. The mother was visiting her mother in India and is now stranded there, cause of strict US entry requirements for non citizens , owing to Wuhan virus. On a personal level I know of some H1-B couples who have had kids here.
 
I seriously can’t get why people talk about changing H1B and not the diversity lottery that does nothing for American economy.

Give those green cards to masters and PhD graduates, keep the best specialists in the US and increase the enrollment in American colleges
Cause we shouldn't be self serving, only concerned with who can boost the economy. Lots of poor and persecuted people around the world coming here will be a great help to their families back home, by the remitances they send back. Coming here also allows them to escape an oppressive life.
 
This is my post from another thread on H1B visa

The H1B is a mixed bag. On one hand it's abused by a lot of these foreign tech companies, mostly from India, that are just basically staffing mills for cheap IT employees that undercut American labor, and whom most of them have never even step foot in this country.

On the other hand it's a great tool to retain high quality talent who have studied in the US, and provides a path to green card and citizenship. These people are usually the creme de la creme of their native countries who have come to attend the top American institutes, and many do want to live in this country and contribute. In a time where intellectual property is a valuable resource, and the brain drain is a real thing, the H1B visa helps overcome that.

Unfortunately the H1B visa system is deeply flawed. It's a lottery system where the odds are the same for a PH.D student who have studied and worked as interns in the US for years versus some cheap Indian IT guy who's never been in this country and will be getting paid much less than market value. I've seen cases where very good co-workers did not win the H1B lottery and had to go back to their home countries, despite being in the US for 6+ years, working for an American company under the F1 OPT visa for two years and paying taxes. Due to the uncertainty and cost of the H1B visa a lot of companies don't actually sponsor the candidates, further restricting the employment prospects of quality candidates from the American post graduate education system.

What really needs to happen is a total revamp of the H1B system. There needs to be a faster, more secure and less restrictive visa category for people who have studied in the country, worked here and paid taxes, rather than lumping them with the low wage foreign IT sweatshop workers. In times like this where China is investing billions to attract top quality professors and researchers to work for China, we need to really find a way to attract and retain high quality foreigners who want to live in this country and contribute to its future success.
 
This...Even with the H1B program there are shortages of high-skilled tech. workers.

There is no shortage. Only about 60% of engineering graduates in the U.S. go into engineering. School scream there is a shortage to keep enrollment up and industry will always scream that there is a shortage to keep the market flooded to suppress wages. There is absolutely no shortage. Maybe, a few niches but those are few and far between. This is slowly damaging the nation. The best and brightest don't go into he the sciences like in the past. In graduate school for EE for me, out of a class of about 100, only maybe 7 were U.S. citizens.
 
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