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Opinion H1-B Visas. How do we fix this mess?

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Cooz, Jun 27, 2020.

  1. Cooz Brown Belt

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    THIS POST WILL RECEIVE NUMEROUS UPDATES:

    I'd make this one of my primary objectives when I run for office. One of the most corrupt and scam like programs that is enriching a minority of big players while lowering wages for many.

    Unfortunately it's so prevalent in my area that I probably won't win, but I'd certainly open some eyes.

    Every year 65,000 H1B visas are issued. This means that 65,000 foreign workers are placed directly into jobs in the US and, perhaps this will come as a shock to you, they DO NOT leave. Ever.

    Either at the same time or shortly there after a H1B visa holder will then apply for a H4 visa which will allow them to move their spouse to the US. That spouse will then with the addition of a simple form be able to work. Often times the spouse works in the same industry. That means that somewhere someone with the best of intentions determined that the US economy has the need and can support 65,000 foreign workers. Yet the reality is that 130,000 US jobs will be filled by H1B and H4 visa recipients annually.

    In case I wasn't clear earlier. 130,000 is not a floating number every year. It's an INFUSION of 130,000 foreign workers into the US economy EACH year.

    "But they fulfill roles that can't be filled!". Do they? It's certainly the intent. But does anyone actually confirm this? I've sat in rooms with executives while ranking interviewees, and at no point did their visa status have any bearing on their ranking.

    How long was the company not able to fulfill the role with local talent? Great question. But no one asks and certainly no government agency checks. There is no system or process in place that that validates whether the H1B or H4 visa holder was better qualified than a US citizen, NOR is any system or process in place to determine whether that continues to be the case.

    Perhaps a company could not find an ETL developer when they originally needed one, but what about 6 months later? What about a year later? Often times a work visa holder will remain in the well beyond the duration of the original contract. No additional steps or re-evaluation will have to be taken by the company, they can simply renew the contract.

    I'll edit the OP later with how H1B visas suppress wages and how they manage to stay in the US for a decade on various types of visas.

    The reason this subject is in the news:
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-order-expanding-immigration-restrictions


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    Edit #1 (06/29/2020):
    QUALIFYING STATEMENT: I do not want to ban H1B Visas. I want to fix the system. It was never meant to be used the way it is now.

    Edit #2 (06/29/2020):

    Wage Suppression

    From post #90:
    Bingo.

    You just made one of my key arguments for how they lower wages. You are able to retain an H1B visa holder for a long time? Why is that? Because they place greater value on stability and are willing to make other sacrifices (quality of life, wages, etc.) in order to get past the 7+ year waiting period to become naturalized.

    You are unable to keep qualified Americans because they apparently go to higher paying jobs. That means you are not willing to pay market value, unless your market is saturated with below market rate talent.

    Now what do US citizens do that do not have mobility and are not able to just pack up and leave? They have to cave in to the local rates which are artificially low due to and external injection of talent.

    This was never the intent of the H1B visa program.
     
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  2. Fawlty Elizabeth Memesy were the borogroves Platinum Member

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    130,000/330,000,000 = 0.00040625

    muh INFUSION

    muh 0.04% INFUSION

    of people who are here specifically to work hard and make a life for their family, and offer skills in demand


    GTFO
     
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  3. MicroBrew Titanium Belt

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    Strict oversight of companies to check that they do their best to hire Americans first for any job, and only resort to foreigners as a last resort. Have the FBI routinely check on companies, go through their paperwork, check community college graduates - with decent grades - to see if they applied for jobs but were denied.
     
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  4. Orgasmo Silver Belt

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    LOL @ using FBI to check on worker visa compliance
     
  5. Rod1 Titanium Belt

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    Maybe fund public education so that there isnt a shortage of STEM field graduates?
     
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    We really should be capping the amount a company can hire as a percentage of their workforce. Something like no more than 10% of your IT department can have visa holders. This way a company couldn't get away with sub-competitive work environments.
     
  7. Carol Baskin's ex-Husband Definitely not in Costa Rica.... Platinum Member

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    This...Even with the H1B program there are shortages of high-skilled tech. workers.
     
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  8. BIKES! So then I said... Platinum Member

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    Easy to say when you are a skill-less deadbeat at no risk of losing your job to a discount H1-B.

    Now back to the grown ups. And super cute your kiddie ass used the whole US population as if that is the working population... more specifically the population of skilled laborers. Math how does it work?
     
  9. JudoThrowFiasco Charming Quark Platinum Member

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    Even with all the US and foreign talent, you're still facing a major shortages from now forecasted till 2025

    https://recruitingdaily.com/why-the...facturing,highly skilled candidates in demand.

    I agree oversight should be done to ensure the US talent pool gets priority to jobs and pay befitting of educated, qualified and talented domestics but you're currently and on pace to fall way behind the demand.

    Time to consider revamped high school to focus less in humanities and arts and more on math, coding and automation
     
  10. ViD Purple Belt

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    Do you even realize that H1B is for skilled workers like engineers or software developers ?

    Do you think these dudes are taking American jobs ? In the fields that are prevalent in H1B workers the unemployment is around 2% even during the pandemic.

    Also, to the point that they stay in the US forever: do you prefer these skilled professionals to leave for other countries making the US companies lose the competition. You’re mistaken to think those jobs will be filled by Americans, there’s not enough qualified Americans in these fields. The companies will outsource therefore helping other economies.

    However, to somewhat support your point, the diversity lottery should be abolished completely, now you’re talking 55k people coming to the US annually, most of them don’t have high end skilled professions and often become a burden to American tax payers. These 55k green cards should be offered to the masters and PhD graduates of American universities which will ensure it’s given to skilled professionals and will spark international enrollment to the US universities creating revenue

    Source : I am a team lead in a software development department in a big company, directly involved in hiring process
     
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  11. Orgasmo Silver Belt

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    Why don't I sub-contract the whole IT to India in that case then? It's cheaper than retaining a large American staff.

    You have a shortage of STEM workers, and you're trying to reducing H1-B?
     
  12. Fawlty Elizabeth Memesy were the borogroves Platinum Member

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    Okay. 0.08%

    Are you shaking in your boots now? LOL. This is about being scared of immigrants, and it's retarded.
     
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    Who else would good at it? FBI has lots of specialists, some focus on white collar crime, some on pedophiles , some on 1%ers, some on domestic spies and industrial espionage etc..
     
  14. IndyCovaHart Gold Belt

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    So it’s bad when the immigrants are low skilled and it’s bad when they’re highly skilled too?
     
  15. ViD Purple Belt

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    The diversity lottery is pointless and should be abolished. H1B should be kept at all costs, other worker visas reconsidered
     
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    So you're to blame for hiring people who aren't qualified for their job
     
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    They aren't highly skilled though. They literally steal IT cert tests and sell them.
     
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  19. ViD Purple Belt

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    No, we don’t hire unqualified people, thanks to H1B we are able to snatch professionals who otherwise would not be available for us, and trust me, American citizens and green card card holders are the top priority if they’re available.
     
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    If you hire an H1b you're hiring an unqualified person. No if and or buts about it.

    I promise any H1b hire won't pass the most simple technical test
     
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