Law Gun Control: A Global Overview

[Barteh]

Well, more guns is obviously not working. It’s pretty easy to see that.
No other first world country has to deal with watching children get slaughtered in classrooms by people with guns.

Yes they do. The Netherlands, France, Czech Republic, Belgium, Finland (and the list goes on for a long time) have all seen mass shootings.

 

[fingercuffs]

Yes they do. The Netherlands, France, Czech Republic, Belgium, Finland (and the list goes on for a long time) have all seen mass shootings.

Regularly in classrooms?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Yes they do. The Netherlands, France, Czech Republic, Belgium, Finland (and the list goes on for a long time) have all seen mass shootings.

Probably quite a few less though.

 

[nonoob]

No other first world country has to deal with watching children get slaughtered in classrooms by people with guns.

More people die in Chicago alone from gun violence each year than in all school shootings combined.

Not once has any government effort been made to address that issue.

 

[Poon Goon]

I do think cops should probably be armed tbh. Some situations a tazer won't cut it

Seems like tasers fail more often than they work. They'd probably be completely useless in any cold weather area due to people wearing layers. However, when they do work it's pretty funny.

 

[My Spot]

Weird how gun controlls only care bout children being shot to death if it happens at a school. That makes up less than 2% of all minor gun homicide victims in the past 20 years.

 

[Barteh]

Regularly in classrooms?

Classrooms, malls, all kinds of places. If they don't use a gun they'll just drive a truck into a crowded area.

Crazy people will find a way. In Croatia (I think) they shot a prime minister or candidate or whatever, same with the dude in Japan. Banning guns isn't gonna fix crazy people.

 

[My Spot]

Classrooms, malls, all kinds of places. If they don't use a gun they'll just drive a truck into a crowded area.

Crazy people will find a way. In Croatia (I think) they shot a prime minister or candidate or whatever, same with the dude in Japan. Banning guns isn't gonna fix crazy people.

I've been through this with her before, she's just being Helen Lovejoy again. Less than 2%.

 

[Cartiac]

In the UK, it's almost impossible to legally own anything other than a shotgun, and even then there are serious restrictions. For example, a shotgun is allowed to hold a maximum of three cartridges at any one time. If the capacity is higher, it requires a Firearms Licence, which is much more difficult to get than an SL.

The vast majority of Replica Firearms are illegal to own unless one can prove to be an Actor etc who needs one as a prop.

Britain has some of the most draconian firearms legislation in the world. Strangely, this does not prevent members of Organised Crime Groups shooting each other and, much more importantly, civilians, on a regular basis. Difficult though it is for politicians to understand, if a criminal is willing to risk a life sentence to commit murder, he won't much care that the murder weapon itself is illegal.

Of course, one positive aspect of the UK's gun laws is that school shootings almost never happen.

Our children have to knife each other to death instead.

This is literally the reason the 2nd Amendment was created and is so adamantly defended.

Guns were illegal for civilians in the British colonies as well. That is why the King thought he could control the entire colonial population with just a few armed members of his Militia, but that didn't work out so well when those civilians all beared the Arms they were keeping and regulated that Militia to establish the security of a free State.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

Disagree. I've been to Army recruiting events, and teenagers are falling over themselves to get a chance to try the various weapons systems. The gym I go to is run by Edinburgh Uni, and it has it's own rifle shooting club and firing range. There's a waiting list to join, even though a student has to provide his own rifle and licence.

The demand is there.

No it isn’t! Your either delusional or just lying to yourself if you think the UK wants legal gun ownership! What evidence do you have of this that isn’t anecdotal?

 

[jefferz]

More people die in Chicago alone from gun violence each year than in all school shootings combined.

Not once has any government effort been made to address that issue.

Some people died in one city, so fuck the children.

 

[Cartiac]

More people die in Chicago alone from gun violence each year than in all school shootings combined.

Not once has any government effort been made to address that issue.

Exactly! And not a single gun control measure they talk about would make a single bit of difference in changing that.

 

[Cartiac]

Some people died in one city, so fuck the children.

You never even thought about how many of those "some people" in Chicago getting shot are children did you. fuck the children is right since it clearly doesn't fit your agenda

 

[KnightTemplar]

No it isn’t! Your either delusional or just lying to yourself if you think the UK wants legal gun ownership! What evidence do you have of this that isn’t anecdotal?

It's not a discussion that lends itself to emperical evidence. Anecdotal is as good as you will get. If you disagree, fine. You're entitled to your wrong opinion.

 

[HomeCheese]

It's fucking tragic that you have essentially no gun rights over there, especially given the general interest and knowledge about firearms of all types that I've seen you display over the years.

Tragic to not be able to own a gun? Come on, don't be a drama queen. Not being able to own a gun is not tragedy.

 

[jefferz]

You never even thought about how many of those "some people" in Chicago getting shot are children did you. fuck the children is right since it clearly doesn't fit your agenda

Democrats are the only ones trying to put an end to the violence.
What does the right done? Thoughts and prayers aren’t working.

 

[oldshadow]

Well, more guns is obviously not working. It’s pretty easy to see that.
No other first world country has to deal with watching children get slaughtered in classrooms by people with guns.

They use knifes and other weapons.

Yes that happens and we should look at ways to stop that other then removing rights of the whole population of the US. However that's not the majority of gun violence by a long ways.

 

[oldshadow]

Democrats are the only ones trying to put an end to the violence.
What does the right done? Thoughts and prayers aren’t working.

And the democrats fight holding criminals responsible for their use or possession of guns.

 

[BFoe]

If you don't like 2A being used for these things then what would you propose to be put in place to guarantee the rights we are talking about?

State constitutions mainly, or state laws. 44 states have that already, and that’s how it always worked prior to the McDonald v City of Chicago ruling in 2010. I suppose this brings up the question that @Rob Battisti had as to whether a state could disarm.
Originally, that would never have been a concern. The states needed organized militias for their defense, the citizenry needed to be armed to be in he state militia, so while the 2A only restrained the feds and not the states, you’d never have to worry about the states disarming the people.

I think his raises the larger issue though, which is that the 2A as it was originally written and intended is obsolete. A lot of people get really upset when I say that, but it’s true. Nowadays we have standing armies, and the well-regulated militia is the National Guard. SCOTUS cases and issues with the 2A don’t even deal with this anymore. The 2A has become the “I should be able to own whatever weapon I want, take it where I want, you should have to issue me a permit whenever I want, and the state can’t stop me or regulate me” amendment.
I think it could use a good ol Repeal and Replace, personally.

A federal statute. Some bullshit "Firearms & Self Defense Act" type thing.

Nope.

But let me make sure I understand the rules of engagement between you and I here. You’ve always maintained that:

I got a lot of love and respect for @BFoe. We just vehemently disagree on the 2A, and I'd rather not fight with him.

And that’s what we’ve always done. So instead, you’re gonna take potshots at my views from the sidelines? Just make up my argument for me and then call it “some bullshit thing”? Aight, I see how it is…

I think Cuba would be a good fit for you...

The fact that you accuse me of being a communist because:

What I advocate in general is for the 2A to function the way it did from 1792-2008.

—says more about you than me, I think. I can’t believe that our SCOTUS got recent 2A decisions wrong without being a communist? I can’t believe that what we thought about the 2A from 1792-2008 is correct, and what is believed from 2008-2024 is wrong without being a communist? Lol classic. You probably claim to support “Originalism” too, eh?

 

[Libero cane v2]

Man I’m glad I live in a nation where people’s main motivation for having guns is hunting and sport-shooting. Anyone saying they have guns to fend of a tyrannical government would rightly be seen as very weird.