Gsp strength of opponents is a myth

[Hamm and Clov]

This thread makes me want to puke.

GSP fans are delusional. Dominant WW champ for years, beat everyone who climbed the ladder with long win streaks, and beat the effortlessly. Beat every fighter he ever fought. Came back after 4 years and won the MW championship. Not good enough though, right?

 

[Shuque]

TS been waiting with his jergens and box of kleenex for GSP to lose and now realizes it's not going to happen.

Sorry TS, unlike all the other greats, GSP is going out on top.

 

[Joker Jiujitsu]

The evidence is honestly irrefutable. Just look at the records of the killers' row he decisioned. They all had losing records afterwards and this is because they were all truly under .500 fighters when Georges decisioned them.

Started out as a reasonable troll job, but then it went off the rails here.

I'm too lazy to do it (assume someone else did) but I would wager their records going into their fights with GSP were way more impressive than after. I believe GSP fought the best opposition available at the time.

The other way of looking at things is, who did GSP not fight at 170 pounds during his era? He fought everyone from two "generations" and beat them all. The current group is obviously excluded, but a prime GSP should be favored over most if not all of them.

 

[Wise1]

You can pick apart any great champions record, try me. Just name one of the all time greats and I'll illustrate it for you. Mighty Mouse, Bones, Silva, Fedor, they can all be picked apart in exactly the same way you are doing to GSP. By the way, GSP has almost as many Top 5 wins as Fedor and Anderson COMBINED.

Do Jon.

 

[MusterX]

Do Jon.

Jones is one of my favorite fighters so you chose well because its pains me to illustrate the point. When people look at Jon's resume, at least his detractors, the first thing they point out is that he "fought middleweights" (Which I think is horseshit), then when you say he defeated 5 former LHW champions consecutively they say yea but they were all old and past their prime (Which I also find to be bullshit). After that they shift to saying that Jon Jones is too big for the weight class and has an unfair advantage due to size, to which I point out that he easily makes weight and is not known for big weight cuts. After that they resort to saying he is a dirty fighter with eye pokes, oblique kicks, standing shoulder cranks, etc. Then after that they start with the PED talk. Basically just discrediting one of the greatest fighters of all time every inch of the way.

I hate it. I hate it when they do it to GSP, I hate it when they do it to Jon Jones.

 

[Wise1]

...I hate it. I hate it when they do it to GSP, I hate it when they do it to Jon Jones.

Imo it can’t be done to Jon, at least not well. You might find a crack somewhere but ultimately he is undeniable.

With Georges on the other hand, I believe there are valid criticisms, without even having to focus on the finishes aspect.

 

[MusterX]

Imo it can’t be done to Jon, at least not well. You might find a crack somewhere but ultimately he is undeniable.

With Georges on the other hand, I believe there are valid criticisms, without even having to focus on the finishes aspect.

Well done bro, you've roped me into a conversation where to counter your argument against GSP, which I feel is false, I have to further diminish one of my favorite fighters, Jon Jones. I can't do that man. I'll just say this, I'm a fan of the big 4, Fedor, GSP, Bones, Anderson, and I think they are all incredible in their own ways.

 

[Joker Jiujitsu]

Parysian was 10-2
Hieron was 4-0
Mayhem was 16-3
Trigg was 12-3 and coming off a title shot
Sherk was 31-1-1
Penn was 10-2-1 and 13-4-1
Koscheck was 9-1 and 15-4
Hughes was 41-4 and 42-5 before each loss
Serra was 10-4
Fitch was 18-2-1
Alves was 17-5
Hardy was 23-6-1
Shields was 26-4-1
Condit was 28-5
Diaz was 26-8-1
Hendricks was 15-1

Those are the records before they lost to GSP. Pretty stellar.

 

[Joker Jiujitsu]

Well done bro, you've roped me into a conversation where to counter your argument against GSP, which I feel is false, I have to further diminish one of my favorite fighters, Jon Jones. I can't do that man. I'll just say this, I'm a fan of the big 4, Fedor, GSP, Bones, Anderson, and I think they are all incredible in their own ways.

You don't have to discredit Jones. Simply stated, Jones' opponents, at least most of them, are a lot younger. They haven't had time to accumulate a bunch of losses yet. Give it time. Any fighter who still sticks around as he ages is going to rack up losses to some extent. I'm sure the records of Rashad, Shogun, Machida, Rampage, Vitor, Sonnen, and others after losing to Jones don't look so good.

 

[bjpenngoat]

But at least Rashad, rampage, bader, Vitor, machida and shkgun all were legends of the sport (not bader) and went on to have huge wins even after they all fought Jones. Hughes, bj and shields are your legendary wins and I have already said my peace about Hughes being old and bj being a LW. Bones not only beat already established legends and former champs, he literally destroyed them. You didn't see bones locking a kimura for 45 minutes to avoid striking with Dan hardy. No way are gsp and Jon Jones careers measurable at all. Bones is a legit goat.

 

[Wariowokecancel]

Bones is a legit goat.

Of fucking up.

 

[Dirge]

By Saying Georges is the best ever we are saying that condit, Fitch, shields, kos, hardy, alves, serra and Hendricks are all top 20 all time fighters. Sheilds is for sure IMO but that's it. Fitch was awesome and has a great career still going and condit was an animal. But they were all on the downside when they fought Georges.

Also of note, none of these storied wins aside from Jake sheilds are top 20 or 30 fighters all time. This is the exact reason mm will never be a goat because he didn't fight anyone who is an all time great.

You conveniently forgot to mention Matt Hughes , a given top 3 goat ww

And they need to be judged by their relevance in the era they fought in. Otherwise fedor would be in zero goat discussions as well.

 

[tenniswhiz]

You're trying to convince yourself. "What happened after actually matters more". You can't be serious spewing shits like that.

What happens before is what is important.

Fact is GSP broke his opponent. they were helpless.

Alves was crying in the lockerroom after the fight.
Kos almost lost an eye, took nearly 2 years to recover from it and was never the same, always covering his eye every times someone fainted to strike.
Fitch was knocked down viciously 3 times but kept going which took years away from his career
Shields as a wrestler was never able to take GSP down. Pretty discouraging.

GSP broke these guys mentally.

No, that wasn’t my premise.

You’d have to go back, read my first post, and the rest.

However, what happened afterwards is extra information that should be studied when it’s available.
You’d be a fool not to.
This applies to everything, not just MMA.
You won’t go far in life if you think otherwise.

 

[Joker Jiujitsu]

But at least Rashad, rampage, bader, Vitor, machida and shkgun all were legends of the sport (not bader) and went on to have huge wins even after they all fought Jones. Hughes, bj and shields are your legendary wins and I have already said my peace about Hughes being old and bj being a LW. Bones not only beat already established legends and former champs, he literally destroyed them. You didn't see bones locking a kimura for 45 minutes to avoid striking with Dan hardy. No way are gsp and Jon Jones careers measurable at all. Bones is a legit goat.

Please tell me what huge wins Rashad, Rampage, and Shogun had after losing to Jones. Fighters like Shields, Fitch, and Hendricks also had some big wins after losing to GSP, even though they are all past their primes.

 

[kickpuncher]

Matt Hughes is almost universally considered a Top 10 all-time fighter. He was a two reigning champion with 7 title defenses (5,2). When he fought GSP the second time his record was 41-5.

Who cares? M Hughes would get smurfed at WW if he started his career now.

 

[kickpuncher]

Troll. You got me to reply. You are a disgrace to MMA fans.

BJ is so overrated. What is his record in his last 10 fights. overrated as fuck.

 

[tenniswhiz]

This thread makes me want to puke.

GSP fans are delusional. Dominant WW champ for years, beat everyone who climbed the ladder with long win streaks, and beat the effortlessly. Beat every fighter he ever fought. Came back after 4 years and won the MW championship. Not good enough though, right?

That’s not what this thread is about.

It’s a discussion regarding the idea that GSP’s WW competition was stronger than competition faced by other champs. It often gets repeated on here and is worth a discussion.
You could read through the thread.

Don’t be so insecure.

 

[MusterX]

Who cares? M Hughes would get smurfed at WW if he started his career now.

I really don't think that's true.

 

[bjpenngoat]

Matt Hughes would be a top fighter but he may not be a goat if he started today. Do I think matt could beat usman, woodley, Colby and till? Absolutely. But I also could see them being bigger and better strikers and winning on that alone. His wrestling was amazing. Hughes prime was a top level guy all time.

 

[kickpuncher]

I really don't think that's true.

I kinda don't either because I think he would have to cut done to LW to have a chance, which he might do well in. But if he stays at WW I don't think he does well.