Gsp strength of opponents is a myth

[isac2357]

This is very dishonest.

If you want to judge whether a fighter was on the decline for a fight, you have to take their record before that fight, not after. So if we take, for example, their 10 fights prior to fighting GSP:

Shields: 10-0
Hendricks: 9-1
Condit: 9-1
Thiago Alves: 9-1
Kos: 9-1

And if we were to take just their 5 fights prior to fighting GSP, all of the ones mentioned were 5-0.

 

[bjpenngoat]

OK take their before and after records 5 before and 5 after and tell me how great they were outside of Jake sheilds. Nick Diaz hasn't won a fight in 10 years. Thiago alves has two wins. its OK you don't have to include Dakota Cochrane ko when you do hendricks list. Fitch and shields are the only ones who look decent because they both went to another org.

 

[davepjr71]

Usman, Woodley, and Lawler that destroyed Rory are all nightmare matchups for gsp

It’s no mistake he left the division after Hendricks beat him like he stole something

Are you honestly trying to say Rory was on the same level as GSP? Not even close man. Yet, he made it all 5 rounds with a juiced Hendricks didn't he? He left due to roiders and being tired of fighting at a high level for so long.

 

[EnsaladaLEGACY]

I'm sick and tired of reading page after page about gsp having the toughest schedule of fights ever.

You guys know that condit went 2-7 after fighting gsp?
Jake sheilds went 7-6-1 after fighting gsp
kos went 2-8 after fighting gsp
thiago alves went 6-7 after fighting gsp
Hendricks went 2-6 after fighting Georges.

This is a total.farce that he had some crazy storied career where he faced killers. He fought every single.one of these guys on their downward spiral.

Enough of this bs making Georges legacy seem like its something that it obviously is not.

Georges fought LWs. Es normal

 

[wlu.29]

Bj was great. Gsp was great as well. I have not once said that gsp was a scrub. I'm saying that his level of comp has been vastly overrated. I do not believe he is the goat. Gsp built his legacy on good fighters some great all on their way down. Not one guy he faced went on to have a winning record. There's something to that. This thread has absolutely nothing to do with bj Penn. Bj sucks now. He has sucked for 7 years. The last time he looked good was the first round against Fitch. What is the obsession with you gsp apologists lambasting bj Penn.

you can say he's not the goat, maybe, that's reasonable

saying his opponents are overrated is pretty absurd that would be like saying

bj made his entire career out of his one win against Matt hughes

 

[grimballer]

You are not supposed to lose to Takase either. But it happens.

Yeah, but losing to that type of fighter n avenging the loss is nothing to brag about

 

[grimballer]

And that doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.

No it’s facts

Look it up

 

[SuperNerd]

I genuinely feel sad for TS.

Get a hobby brother.

 

[Joker Jiujitsu]

OK take their before and after records 5 before and 5 after and tell me how great they were outside of Jake sheilds. Nick Diaz hasn't won a fight in 10 years. Thiago alves has two wins. its OK you don't have to include Dakota Cochrane ko when you do hendricks list. Fitch and shields are the only ones who look decent because they both went to another org.

Who was GSP supposed to fight instead? He fought the absolute best competition available to him at the time. Guys like Fitch, Shields, Hendricks, Penn, etc. went on to win or contend for titles after he beat them.

 

[Taric]

The top 5 WW landscape from 2000-2007 is definitely inflated. Unlike every other division (LW, MW, LHW, & HW), all the top 5 guys were separate out between two organizations. UFC and PRIDE. With WW however, anybody that left the WW division to fight in Japan flat out dropped out of the WW division because they had no choice. So fighters that weren't ranked high at WW suddenly got vaulted up the rankings simply by staying in the division.

GSP is one of the best to ever do it, but his "most top 5 opponents" thing is completely inflated and should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[davepjr71]

The Thiago Alvez that GSP beat was a Prime Beast. Shields was also prime.

Agreed, many people thought that Thiago was way too strong and would ragdoll GSP. He destroyed pretty much everyone before GSP.

 

[grimballer]

This is very dishonest.

If you want to judge whether a fighter was on the decline for a fight, you have to take their record before that fight, not after. So if we take, for example, their 10 fights prior to fighting GSP:

Shields: 10-0
Hendricks: 9-1
Condit: 9-1
Thiago Alves: 9-1
Kos: 9-1

And if we were to take just their 5 fights prior to fighting GSP, all of the ones mentioned were 5-0.

N yet if we look at Anderson top wins

Rich = 8 fight win streak before Anderson, then goes 4-1 (only losing to Anderson again)

Vitor = 5 fight win streak before Anderson, then goes 5-1 (only losing to jones)

Hendo = 6-2 before Anderson, then goes 7-1 (beating shogun n fedor)

Chael = 5-1 before Anderson, then 3-2 (only losing to Anderson again n jones)

Marquardt = 6 fight win streak before Anderson, then goes 4-1 (losing a sd after 2 point deduction)

Maia = 12-1 before Anderson, then goes 6-2 after

Okami = 6-1 before Anderson, then goes 4-2 after

Even someone like Forrest Who was 4-2 before facing Anderson n just lost lhw title, finish his career with 3-1 record after Anderson.

Now if you do same thing with gsp opponents big majority fell off right after facing him.

Now don’t give me “he beat them so bad, they were never the same again”

1st he didn’t beat them, he hold them down for 25 minutes, n good/great fighters don’t just fold after one tough loss. They bounce back.

So most of these guys either weren’t that good or great as gsp fans boys like to pretend n got exposed when facing top competition or were clearly part their primes

 

[davepjr71]

My argument has not changed at all. I have been and will continue to be open to differing opinions. I still stand by my op that he fought every single one of those guys on an obvious decline. I gave proof of their records after getting decisioned.

How are you not getting it? They won and got a title shot. After they lost they mostly fought each other winning and losing after GSP pretty much took their soul. GSP beat almost every single one of them at their own game plan. Instead of fighting his style he fought theirs and made them look silly in the process. Imagine being a fighter and realizing that why GSP is the champ you will never have a chance of being the champ?

 

[grimballer]

How are you not getting it? They won and got a title shot. After they lost they mostly fought each other winning and losing after GSP pretty much took their soul. GSP beat almost every single one of them at their own game plan. Instead of fighting his style he fought theirs and made them look silly in the process. Imagine being a fighter and realizing that why GSP is the champ you will never have a chance of being the champ?

Why gsp fanboys keep repeating this nonsense?

How’s taking n holding Condit, hardy n Alves down or jabbing kos to death beating them in their own game?

Oh you mean he didn’t mind taking much smaller bj down after greasing?

Someone who faces Silva n gets matrix would have more issues questioning their ability, then someone who was held down for 25 minutes. They all knew they only needed one good punch/kick n they could beat him.

I rather be Condit or hardy at the end of gsp fight than Forrest after Anderson

 

[Mixfight]

Let's not forget Den Ardy who sucks as well and Matt Serra who was a LW journeyman who made GSP tap to strikes.

 

[SuperNerd]

I rather be Condit or hardy at the end of gsp fight than Forrest after Anderson

Because you have no idea how they felt.

Hardy was defending himself for 25 mins. Every step forward ended up as a step backwards. They couldn't find offense vs. Georges.

It's hopelessness. Everything they worked for in life means nothing. It's what we saw in Anthony Smith the other night.

In a Silva fight, you get caught if you act stupid. If your sound and safe, you won't find much trouble fighting Silva. He lets his opponents defeat themselves.

GSP makes you question everything you do in the gym, and it's obviously a level his opponent will never reach. They are defeated completely and just want to survive.

 

[grimballer]

Because you have no idea how they felt.

Hardy was defending himself for 25 mins. Every step forward ended up as a step backwards. They couldn't find offense vs. Georges.

It's hopelessness. Everything they worked for in life means nothing. It's what we saw in Anthony Smith the other night.

In a Silva fight, you get caught if you act stupid. If your sound and safe, you won't find much trouble fighting Silva. He lets his opponents defeat themselves.

GSP makes you question everything you do in the gym, and it's obviously a level his opponent will never reach. They are defeated completely and just want to survive.

N yet it was Forrest who ran out of the cage after getting completely embarrassed.

It’s one thing to lose, but you can still feel with few adjustments you can beat the guy (most pro athletes need this mindset to be competitive), it’s another when a guy completely outclasses you n makes you look like a complete amateur infront of millions.

 

[ufc_is_dead]

the best way to tell is add up the rankings of his opponent's in title fights... lowest score/average wins

i bet one of you weirdos has this on a spreadsheet already

 

[SuperNerd]

It’s one thing to lose, but you can still feel with few adjustments you can beat the guy (most pro athletes need this mindset to be competitive), it’s another when a guy completely outclasses you n makes you look like a complete amateur infront of millions.

Exactly.

Silva's opponents made mistakes that can be corrected. ie. don't throw stupid strikes. There is hope for improvement.

GSP opponents have no answers when they get back to the drawing board. There is nothing but acceptance you will not be that great or lucky.

 

[bjpenngoat]

Lol the absurd reasoning that Anderson's opponents could have beaten him had they stuck to their fundamentals more is hilarious. Its getting silly guys. A few people here actually get it and have added critical analysis to this discussion.