Gsp strength of opponents is a myth

[surrealworlds]

@bjpenngoat what the hell kind of logic are you using? This is like me saying Penn is a can because he is on a losing streak at the end of his career. Plain and simple, GSP beat the best contenders available at the time and cleaned out his division. He DID NOT FIGHT A SINGLE SUB .500 FIGHTER FOR THE TITLE. Then after 4 years off he came back, went up a weight class to join the double champ ranks. I could care less if you think he is GOAT but to claim his level of competition is subpar is beyond idiotic. You have to look at the records of the fighters at the time they challenged for the belt not years after they lost. Pay attention, you might learn something.

GSP(12-1) vs Penn 2(13-5-1)
GSP(13-1) vs Hughes 2(41-5)
Lossed to Serra
GSP(15-2) vs Hughes 3(42-6)
GSP(16-2) vs Serra 2(10-5)
GSP(17-2) vs Fitch(18-3)
GSP(18-2) vs Penn (10-3-1)
GSP(19-2) vs Alves(17-6)
GSP(20-2) vs Hardy(23-7)
GSP(21-2) vs Koscheck(15-5)
GSP(22-2) vs Shields(26-5-1)
GSP(23-2) vs Condit(28-6)
GSP(24-2) vs Diaz(26-9)
GSP(25-2) vs Hendricks(15-2)
GSP(25-2) vs Bisping(30-8)

 

[markys00]

The myth of gsp strength of opponent myth is what im seeing here

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

You lose all credibility with that bolded part...

Gsp tooled Hendricks? How?

By getting a sd win most ppl thought he lost?

There’s a reason why he retired in his prime after that tough fight

He knew the era of one dimensional fighters n blown up lw is over n he would have to face guys who are hard to td n have ko power

I agree GSP should have lost the decision to Hendricks, though it was close -- it hinged on the first round, which was razor close.

But thinking GSP retired because he had a tough fight with Hendricks is silly. He was actually finished twice (way worse than Hendricks even came close to doing to GSP), but didn't quit. If a tough fight was enough to make GSP quit, he would have quit after the first Hughes fight ... not to mention the Serra fight (Serra hit GSP way harder than Hendricks ever did). For that matter, GSP's first fight with Penn was harder than his fight with Hendricks.

Hendricks was only GSP's fourth toughest fight -- do you really think GSP's thinking was "that was my fourth toughest fight, I better quit now -- after all, winning a controversial decision is way worse than being finished twice"?

GSP had been talking about retiring since he blew out his knee several years before that. No one quits at 32 because of a fight that wasn't as hard as three previous fights, they retire because injuries are piling up.

Which one dimension are you picking for Nick Diaz? Or Condit? Or Penn? Because they seem to have had excellent striking and grappling. Unless you're considering striking and grappling to be part of the same dimension?

 

[stormofshadow]

I'm sick and tired of reading page after page about...

maybe you should stop?

 

[Bend NvR Break]

By Saying Georges is the best ever we are saying that condit, Fitch, shields, kos, hardy, alves, serra and Hendricks are all top 20 all time fighters. Sheilds is for sure IMO but that's it. Fitch was awesome and has a great career still going and condit was an animal. But they were all on the downside when they fought Georges.

Also of note, none of these storied wins aside from Jake sheilds are top 20 or 30 fighters all time. This is the exact reason mm will never be a goat because he didn't fight anyone who is an all time great.

GSP has wins over All Time greats:
Matt Hughes
BJ Penn (his tear at 155 was legendary not to mention being a former WW champ and a multi time WW challenger)
Jake Shields
Sean Sherk (not during title run but still a W over a UFC champ and one of the best WW of all time)

UFC Greats:
Michael Bisping
Carlos Condit(?)

Other noteworthy names:
Johnny Hendricks
Carlos Condit(?)
Matt Serra
Jon Fitch
Nick Diaz

GSP competition isn't as bad as you're trying to make it seem.

 

[grimballer]

I agree GSP should have lost the decision to Hendricks, though it was close -- it hinged on the first round, which was razor close.

But thinking GSP retired because he had a tough fight with Hendricks is silly. He was actually finished twice (way worse than Hendricks even came close to doing to GSP), but didn't quit. If a tough fight was enough to make GSP quit, he would have quit after the first Hughes fight ... not to mention the Serra fight (Serra hit GSP way harder than Hendricks ever did). For that matter, GSP's first fight with Penn was harder than his fight with Hendricks.

Hendricks was only GSP's fourth toughest fight -- do you really think GSP's thinking was "that was my fourth toughest fight, I better quit now -- after all, winning a controversial decision is way worse than being finished twice"?

GSP had been talking about retiring since he blew out his knee several years before that. No one quits at 32 because of a fight that wasn't as hard as three previous fights, they retire because injuries are piling up.

Which one dimension are you picking for Nick Diaz? Or Condit? Or Penn? Because they seem to have had excellent striking and grappling. Unless you're considering striking and grappling to be part of the same dimension?

Just cause somebody is in ufc doesn’t mean they are better than everybody outside.

Sometimes you need connections to get to ufc.

Also the landscape of ww was changing att.

Many mw moved down n looked great:

Maia, woodley, Lombard n Robbie

Those guys + Hendricks would be tougher than what gsp faced previously.

Maia dominated Fitch
Woodley n Robbie just wrecked kos in 1st
Lombard dominated shields
N there would be another Hendricks rematch

Don’t think gsp wanted to face these guys n decided to “take time off”

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

The myth of gsp strength of opponent myth is what im seeing here

 

[markys00]

lol. the myth that gsp had strong opponents is a myth itself

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

Just cause somebody is in ufc doesn’t mean they are better than everybody outside.

Sometimes you need connections to get to ufc.

Also the landscape of ww was changing att.

Many mw moved down n looked great:

Maia, woodley, Lombard n Robbie

Those guys + Hendricks would be tougher than what gsp faced previously.

Maia dominated Fitch
Woodley n Robbie just wrecked kos in 1st
Lombard dominated shields
N there would be another Hendricks rematch

Don’t think gsp wanted to face these guys n decided to “take time off”

As I said, Hendricks was only GSP's fourth toughest fight -- if a tough fight was going to make him quit, he'd have been gone after the first Penn fight. Seriously, GSP was finished twice but didn't quit, why could a controversial decision make him quit (for that matter, the first Penn fight was as controversial an opinion).

I doubt GSP (or many other fighters) worry about MMA math. But if they did, Woodley lost to GSP's training partner Rory. Robbie lost to Nick (who GSP beat). Maia lost to Rory. The only one with bad MMA math for GSP was Lombard, and that was a single fight.

 

[tenniswhiz]

This is very dishonest.

If you want to judge whether a fighter was on the decline for a fight, you have to take their record before that fight, not after. So if we take, for example, their 10 fights prior to fighting GSP:

Shields: 10-0
Hendricks: 9-1
Condit: 9-1
Thiago Alves: 9-1
Kos: 9-1

And if we were to take just their 5 fights prior to fighting GSP, all of the ones mentioned were 5-0.

It’d be a bit more honest if you used Kos’s record before his title shot. 7-3, not bad.
Not the other time they met.
Mistake or on purpose?

 

[Nihongi]

Ok