Gsp strength of opponents is a myth

[ExitLUPin]

A fighters run before they fought GSP is far more relevant than after

What a stupid thread but not surprising from a BJ Stan lol

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

So.we have a room full of psychologists who have analyzed gsp's opponents psyche post decision. That's the collective defense?

GSP's critics think he was an overrated bum who they could have beat themselves. GSP's fans think he was the super-champion who could have won at HW if he'd bothered trying. Both make such exaggerated claims that its impossible to take either seriously.

 

[bjpenngoat]

I definitely don't think gsp was a bum. Guy was a great talent and an all time great no debate. What I am debating is the incredulous indignation by his apologist fans when anyone dare say he's not the goat. There has yet to be more than a handful of meaningful posts in this thread that disagree with that sentiment.

 

[Turf Skirmish]

Anderson “looked beatable”, but gsp was the one who got beat, not once but twice, when he was fighting for a title.

N you can come up with whatever scale you want, it doesn’t change the fact that majority of gsp opponents were one dimensional n got exposed later on n had losing records

And that doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.

 

[Lemmy Caution]

I definitely don't think gsp was a bum. Guy was a great talent and an all time great no debate. What I am debating is the incredulous indignation by his apologist fans when anyone dare say he's not the goat. There has yet to be more than a handful of meaningful posts in this thread that disagree with that sentiment.

I don't care where GSP or anyone else ranks, but the argument that he faced weak opponents is false. The argument that a loss takes away all other achievements is even stupider.

I don't like Jones, still consider him one of the best, if not the best. I don't like Conor and certainly do not consider him one of the best. He still can become one. All he has to do is to go on a tear for the next 4 years or so, beating whoever is put in front of him. But then, the same can be said for lots of fighters on the roster.

 

[Turf Skirmish]

I don't care where GSP or anyone else ranks, but the argument that he faced weak opponents is false. The argument that a loss takes away all other achievements is even stupider.

I don't like Jones, still consider him one of the best, if not the best. I don't like Conor and certainly do not consider him one of the best. He still can become one. All he has to do is to go on a tear for the next 4 years or so, beating whoever is put in front of him. But then, the same can be said for lots of fighters on the roster.

Notice how OP's argument has morphed and softened over the course of this thread?

 

[bjpenngoat]

My argument has not changed at all. I have been and will continue to be open to differing opinions. I still stand by my op that he fought every single one of those guys on an obvious decline. I gave proof of their records after getting decisioned.

 

[TheLastOlympian07]

man you guys stop feeding the troll and he will go away. just let him think he 'won'

 

[Ghostoftheville]

He beat a 40 year old matt Hughes whose only win after that fight was serra and 50 year old Royce Gracie.

Gracie was 39 when he fought Hughes, who himself was 32. Hughes was 34 when he lost to GSP the second time and went 3-3 afterwards before retiring.
Bisping 30-7 5 fight win streak.
Hendricks 15-1 6 fight win streak.
Nick Diaz 26-8 coming in the fight after a loss that ended his 11 fight win streak.
Carlos Condit 28-5 5 fight win streak
Jake Shields 26-4 15 fight win streak
Koscheck 15-4 3 fight win streak, lost to GSP once prior
Dan Hardy 23-6 7 fight win streak
Thiago Alves 17-5 7 fight win streak
BJ Penn 13-4 3 fight win streak
Jon Fitch 18-2 16 fight win streak. 5 straight after losing to GSP. Currently on a 5 fight win streak.

 

[HHJ]

I definitely don't think gsp was a bum. Guy was a great talent and an all time great no debate. What I am debating is the incredulous indignation by his apologist fans when anyone dare say he's not the goat. There has yet to be more than a handful of meaningful posts in this thread that disagree with that sentiment.

Goat. Gsp is ufc goat.

 

[TripleG]

Never a UFC Champ, but beat multiple UFC champs and IC's. He was also a two-weight division champion in other organizations - Elite XC and Strikeforce.



One dimensional? Cherry picker? He literally beat everyone at 170 that existed.

2008:
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/5/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-10708
2009:
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/5/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-15705
2010:
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/5/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-22040
2011:
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/5/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-29173
2012:
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/5/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-39259
2013:
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/5/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-49475
2014 (November 2013):
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/5/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-59539

GSP wrecked the top ten list every year I listed above. Either GSP beat the men listed in the top 10 list or they didn't get a title shot because they were beaten by someone else or not in the UFC at all.



The last time GSP lost, as evidenced by that gif, was while President Bush was still in office. The Sopranos still had 2 months of episodes left to air. It was a few months before "Keeping up with the Kardashian's" premiered. MySpace was worth $12 billion and was the most popular social media website by far. Jon Jones was 0-0-0 as a professional fighter. We ALL still had flip phones.

I can't believe that during his reign I wasn't a huge GSP fan but post-retirement I have to defend his legacy to all these johnny come lately's.

GSP beat Robbie Lawer? Tyron woodley? Paul Daley? Didn't think so, too busy tapping to strikes against lightweights.

 

[TripleG]

Meanwhile GSP fans will point out he was willing to fight Anderson at 170, a weight Anderson had fought at before.

The superfight comments always show people's bias, and nothing more.
GSP fans think Anderson should have gone to fight at 170.
Anderson fans think GSP should have gone up to fight at 185.

Unbiased folks think neither were obliged to change weight for the other guy. Lets get serious, its not like they were brothers, or one saved the other one's life. Why do another fighter a favor by fighting at his weight?

Ppl who say Silva should have fought at 170 are people who have never competed in their lives. You want him to drain himself to the lowest weight possible so he can gas out in half a round and get knocked out with a jab? Just because he weighed 170 at one point in his life doesn't mean he can compete there anymore. I bet you he weighed 120lb as a freshman in high school too, why not just have him fight at flyweight? It's OK to be a fan of one fighter or to have a bias but please call it like it is, you can not denie that GSP didn't duck Silva and cherry pick an easy fight at MW then dissappear with some bullshit excuse.

 

[Lemmy Caution]

Notice how OP's argument has morphed and softened over the course of this thread?

I wouldn't know. I have read two posts here, the OP and the one I responded to now. It was the last post here at the time. My other post here goes something like, this revision always happens here. Somebody is winning and everybody thinks he's the greatest. A few years later, he never was that great.

My "GOAT" list looks something like this: GSP, Fedor, Silva, Aldo, Jones, in no special order. If you want to call that soft, go ahead.

 

[tenniswhiz]

A fighters run before they fought GSP is far more relevant than after

What a stupid thread but not surprising from a BJ Stan lol

No, it’s not.

Because they try to cultivate “contenders” and put them up against weaker competition to create the streak.
Just like how MM defended his belt against a bunch of guys who got destroyed by Benavidez as well.

What happened to them afterwards actually matters more, because they were just fighting guys in the division, and the promoter was no longer trying to help them create a streak.
In no case was this more obvious than watching Mr. #4 Dan Hardy get destroyed after his pitiful title bid.

Your post is kind of stupid and let me guess who you’re a fan of...

 

[GiSP]

I definitely don't think gsp was a bum. Guy was a great talent and an all time great no debate. What I am debating is the incredulous indignation by his apologist fans when anyone dare say he's not the goat. There has yet to be more than a handful of meaningful posts in this thread that disagree with that sentiment.

Like I fucking care? The scoreboard is always the bottom line. GSP whooped BJ in the rematch. And the polls say he’s the GOAT. I’m good with those things because I know they are true. No matter what anybody says. People can shit talk all they want. Those facts aren’t changing anytime soon.

 

[Jet40]

Well you’re not suppose to lose to someone like Serra in 1st place, so that’s a moot point

As for Hughes, you could argue he was already on the down hill of his career by the time gsp beat him n the game clearly passed him by. It’s not like he was a dominant no.2 when gsp was no.1. He was losing to top contenders n was a gatekeeper at best at that time

You are not supposed to lose to Takase either. But it happens.

 

[ThunderStruck]

It wasn't ballet dancer BJ who fought GSP.

Most of GSP's opponents had a hell of an undefeated streak coming into the GSP fight.

It's the same as discrediting Cain's wins because he will get obliterated from now on.

I was just taking a shot at the TS who is named BJPennGoat. He is a huge idiot and GSP is the goat.

 

[DagOban**]

Fighters are never the same after fighting GSP.

 

[ThunderStruck]

I definitely don't think gsp was a bum. Guy was a great talent and an all time great no debate. What I am debating is the incredulous indignation by his apologist fans when anyone dare say he's not the goat. There has yet to be more than a handful of meaningful posts in this thread that disagree with that sentiment.

Theres a fucking difference between saying hes not the goat and saying that all his wins are overrated like you claimed. Theres a reason you've been destroyed and shat on for 13 pages non stop.

 

[ThunderStruck]

No, it’s not.

Because they try to cultivate “contenders” and put them up against weaker competition to create the streak.
Just like how MM defended his belt against a bunch of guys who got destroyed by Benavidez as well.

What happened to them afterwards actually matters more, because they were just fighting guys in the division, and the promoter was no longer trying to help them create a streak.
In no case was this more obvious than watching Mr. #4 Dan Hardy get destroyed after his pitiful title bid.

Your post is kind of stupid and let me guess who you’re a fan of...

You're trying to convince yourself. "What happened after actually matters more". You can't be serious spewing shits like that.

What happens before is what is important.

Fact is GSP broke his opponent. they were helpless.

Alves was crying in the lockerroom after the fight.
Kos almost lost an eye, took nearly 2 years to recover from it and was never the same, always covering his eye every times someone fainted to strike.
Fitch was knocked down viciously 3 times but kept going which took years away from his career
Shields as a wrestler was never able to take GSP down. Pretty discouraging.

GSP broke these guys mentally.